Arms keep DISCONNTECTING from body in downswing

[stlouismark]

Same prob that has been plaguing me for years. Cannot for the life of me get the arms to stay in close to the body in the downswing. They disconnect, I raise the handle, and the body rises up and backs up slightly (early extension) to make room for the club and arms through impact. You can see my butt comes forward a bit too.

 

Check it:

 

 

Pretty ugly. Any tips on getting those arms and hands in real tight to the body??

 

THANKS!!

[MonteScheinblum]

Go watch a bunch of PGA tour players and you will see the same move.

 

You're going for a look and that is dangerous. You're swing is good enough that you should be thinking about ball flights you don't want anymore.

 

Getting the shaft a little more horizontal in transtion is likely the direction.

[stlouismark]

Go watch a bunch of PGA tour players and you will see the same move.

 

You're going for a look and that is dangerous. You're swing is good enough that you should be thinking about ball flights you don't want anymore.

 

Getting the shaft a little more horizontal in transtion is likely the direction.

 

Thank you sir. How can get the shaft more shallow, right from the top of the backswing?

 

I'm not necessarily trying to model a particular swing, but fact is that most tour players and very good players are going to have their arms and hands very close in to their body in the downswing and impact. I feel that makes for much better impact and consistency, as well as a more efficient delivery of power/speed into the club and the ball.

 

My big misses are hooks and sometimes bad snap hooks with the driver. Contact can be an issue. Too many fat/thins. Perhaps I'm a bit shallow?

[MonteScheinblum]

Go watch a bunch of PGA tour players and you will see the same move.

 

You're going for a look and that is dangerous. You're swing is good enough that you should be thinking about ball flights you don't want anymore.

 

Getting the shaft a little more horizontal in transtion is likely the direction.

 

Thank you sir. How can get the shaft more shallow, right from the top of the backswing?

 

I'm not necessarily trying to model a particular swing, but fact is that most tour players and very good players are going to have their arms and hands very close in to their body in the downswing and impact. I feel that makes for much better impact and consistency, as well as a more efficient delivery of power/speed into the club and the ball.

 

My big misses are hooks and sometimes bad snap hooks with the driver. Contact can be an issue. Too many fat/thins. Perhaps I'm a bit shallow?

 

Your shaft is too vertical in transtion. The things you do the make it less vertical cause all those misses.

 

I would also disagree with your characterization about arms being close. Lots of good players sling it.

 

I am not saying that's good, but it's better than the alternative for you. If all you did was bring your arms and hands in, you'd likely make things way worse.

 

Get with someone who knows what they're doing. Have them help you get less vertical to start the downswing and move the path left.

 

It's a process and not a quick tip like you could give someone with a massive flaw or 5.

[stlouismark]

Go watch a bunch of PGA tour players and you will see the same move.

 

You're going for a look and that is dangerous. You're swing is good enough that you should be thinking about ball flights you don't want anymore.

 

Getting the shaft a little more horizontal in transtion is likely the direction.

 

Thank you sir. How can get the shaft more shallow, right from the top of the backswing?

 

I'm not necessarily trying to model a particular swing, but fact is that most tour players and very good players are going to have their arms and hands very close in to their body in the downswing and impact. I feel that makes for much better impact and consistency, as well as a more efficient delivery of power/speed into the club and the ball.

 

My big misses are hooks and sometimes bad snap hooks with the driver. Contact can be an issue. Too many fat/thins. Perhaps I'm a bit shallow?

 

Your shaft is too vertical in transtion. The things you do the make it less vertical cause all those misses.

 

I would also disagree with your characterization about arms being close. Lots of good players sling it.

 

I am not saying that's good, but it's better than the alternative for you. If all you did was bring your arms and hands in, you'd likely make things way worse.

 

Get with someone who knows what they're doing. Have them help you get less vertical to start the downswing and move the path left.

 

It's a process and not a quick tip like you could give someone with a massive flaw or 5.

 

Right. Not looking for a quick tip. I have tried moving the path left and steepening it, but when I do that, my right shoulder goes out instead of down, and then I'm WAY over the plane coming down.

[Fort Worth Pro]

 

 

Problem lies right here and that leads to bad transition. Hands have moved away from you and the left arm has rolled too much and gotten the face too open. Flattens shoulders out and Causes the shaft to be too shallow and the left arm to load across the chest late which steepens the shaft in transition.

[iteachgolf]

 

 

Problem lies right here and that leads to bad transition. Hands have moved away from you and the left arm has rolled too much and gotten the face too open. Flattens shoulders out and Causes the shaft to be too shallow and the left arm to load across the chest late which steepens the shaft in transition.

 

Yep. I'll add causes hands to work too vertical in transition which forces arms and right shoulder to work out late in the downswing in order to reach the ball. You can't continue moving right shoulder down because you'd miss the ball if you did. Your forced to creat a lot of out late because you didn't have enough out in transition.

 

Get arms working in more in the takeaway so you aren't loading left arm late and so arms can work more out in transition which will allow right side to work more down through impact

[MonteScheinblum]

Go watch a bunch of PGA tour players and you will see the same move.

 

You're going for a look and that is dangerous. You're swing is good enough that you should be thinking about ball flights you don't want anymore.

 

Getting the shaft a little more horizontal in transtion is likely the direction.

 

Thank you sir. How can get the shaft more shallow, right from the top of the backswing?

 

I'm not necessarily trying to model a particular swing, but fact is that most tour players and very good players are going to have their arms and hands very close in to their body in the downswing and impact. I feel that makes for much better impact and consistency, as well as a more efficient delivery of power/speed into the club and the ball.

 

My big misses are hooks and sometimes bad snap hooks with the driver. Contact can be an issue. Too many fat/thins. Perhaps I'm a bit shallow?

 

Your shaft is too vertical in transtion. The things you do the make it less vertical cause all those misses.

 

I would also disagree with your characterization about arms being close. Lots of good players sling it.

 

I am not saying that's good, but it's better than the alternative for you. If all you did was bring your arms and hands in, you'd likely make things way worse.

 

Get with someone who knows what they're doing. Have them help you get less vertical to start the downswing and move the path left.

 

It's a process and not a quick tip like you could give someone with a massive flaw or 5.

 

Right. Not looking for a quick tip. I have tried moving the path left and steepening it, but when I do that, my right shoulder goes out instead of down, and then I'm WAY over the plane coming down.

 

Moving path left is step 2. You can't do that with current backswing and transtion.

[stlouismark]

 

 

Problem lies right here and that leads to bad transition. Hands have moved away from you and the left arm has rolled too much and gotten the face too open. Flattens shoulders out and Causes the shaft to be too shallow and the left arm to load across the chest late which steepens the shaft in transition.

 

Yep. I'll add causes hands to work too vertical in transition which forces arms and right shoulder to work out late in the downswing in order to reach the ball. You can't continue moving right shoulder down because you'd miss the ball if you did. Your forced to creat a lot of out late because you didn't have enough out in transition.

 

Get arms working in more in the takeaway so you aren't loading left arm late and so arms can work more out in transition which will allow right side to work more down through impact

 

Thanks! So what can I do to ensure connection in the downswing and through impact? Right shoulder out at the top seems to create disconnection and more steepness than I want?

[iteachgolf]

 

 

Problem lies right here and that leads to bad transition. Hands have moved away from you and the left arm has rolled too much and gotten the face too open. Flattens shoulders out and Causes the shaft to be too shallow and the left arm to load across the chest late which steepens the shaft in transition.

 

Yep. I'll add causes hands to work too vertical in transition which forces arms and right shoulder to work out late in the downswing in order to reach the ball. You can't continue moving right shoulder down because you'd miss the ball if you did. Your forced to creat a lot of out late because you didn't have enough out in transition.

 

Get arms working in more in the takeaway so you aren't loading left arm late and so arms can work more out in transition which will allow right side to work more down through impact

 

Thanks! So what can I do to ensure connection in the downswing and through impact? Right shoulder out at the top seems to create disconnection and more steepness than I want?

 

Fix the backswing first. Arms in and more depth early. Will feel like arms work in a lot early and then right arm folds straight up like swinging a hammer.

[stlouismark]

 

 

Problem lies right here and that leads to bad transition. Hands have moved away from you and the left arm has rolled too much and gotten the face too open. Flattens shoulders out and Causes the shaft to be too shallow and the left arm to load across the chest late which steepens the shaft in transition.

 

Yep. I'll add causes hands to work too vertical in transition which forces arms and right shoulder to work out late in the downswing in order to reach the ball. You can't continue moving right shoulder down because you'd miss the ball if you did. Your forced to creat a lot of out late because you didn't have enough out in transition.

 

Get arms working in more in the takeaway so you aren't loading left arm late and so arms can work more out in transition which will allow right side to work more down through impact

 

Thanks! So what can I do to ensure connection in the downswing and through impact? Right shoulder out at the top seems to create disconnection and more steepness than I want?

 

Fix the backswing first. Arms in and more depth early. Will feel like arms work in a lot early and then right arm folds straight up like swinging a hammer.

 

Appreciate it. I have a tendency to hood the club face shut though, and gets too closed at top. I'll go back to it and see what happens. THANKS.

[stlouismark]

 

 

Problem lies right here and that leads to bad transition. Hands have moved away from you and the left arm has rolled too much and gotten the face too open. Flattens shoulders out and Causes the shaft to be too shallow and the left arm to load across the chest late which steepens the shaft in transition.

 

What about that old "toe up, toe up" adage for the takeaway and release?

[Fort Worth Pro]

 

 

Problem lies right here and that leads to bad transition. Hands have moved away from you and the left arm has rolled too much and gotten the face too open. Flattens shoulders out and Causes the shaft to be too shallow and the left arm to load across the chest late which steepens the shaft in transition.

 

What about that old "toe up, toe up" adage for the takeaway and release?

it's wrong. At point of that picture the leading edge should more or less match spine angle.

[stlouismark]

 

 

Problem lies right here and that leads to bad transition. Hands have moved away from you and the left arm has rolled too much and gotten the face too open. Flattens shoulders out and Causes the shaft to be too shallow and the left arm to load across the chest late which steepens the shaft in transition.

 

What about that old "toe up, toe up" adage for the takeaway and release?

it's wrong. At point of that picture the leading edge should more or less match spine angle.

 

Interesting. So a more closed face and steeper shoulder turn will help connection in the downswing? And prevent me from throwing the arms OUT away from the body and raising the handle? Is it all cause/effect?

[Fort Worth Pro]

 

 

Problem lies right here and that leads to bad transition. Hands have moved away from you and the left arm has rolled too much and gotten the face too open. Flattens shoulders out and Causes the shaft to be too shallow and the left arm to load across the chest late which steepens the shaft in transition.

 

What about that old "toe up, toe up" adage for the takeaway and release?

it's wrong. At point of that picture the leading edge should more or less match spine angle.

 

Interesting. So a more closed face and steeper shoulder turn will help connection in the downswing? And prevent me from throwing the arms OUT away from the body and raising the handle? Is it all cause/effect?

 

Short answer...yes.

[Albatross85]

Some great info in this thread. Keep it coming

[stlouismark]

 

 

Problem lies right here and that leads to bad transition. Hands have moved away from you and the left arm has rolled too much and gotten the face too open. Flattens shoulders out and Causes the shaft to be too shallow and the left arm to load across the chest late which steepens the shaft in transition.

 

Yep. I'll add causes hands to work too vertical in transition which forces arms and right shoulder to work out late in the downswing in order to reach the ball. You can't continue moving right shoulder down because you'd miss the ball if you did. Your forced to creat a lot of out late because you didn't have enough out in transition.

 

Get arms working in more in the takeaway so you aren't loading left arm late and so arms can work more out in transition which will allow right side to work more down through impact

 

I'd love to get close to the look in your avatar. Arms close to the body and connected. Handle closer to the body and lower. I HATE raising the handle into impact. Raising handle and shallowing out the path gives me inconsistent contact, and hooks. With my driver the handle gets raised a LOT.

[iteachgolf]

 

 

Problem lies right here and that leads to bad transition. Hands have moved away from you and the left arm has rolled too much and gotten the face too open. Flattens shoulders out and Causes the shaft to be too shallow and the left arm to load across the chest late which steepens the shaft in transition.

 

Yep. I'll add causes hands to work too vertical in transition which forces arms and right shoulder to work out late in the downswing in order to reach the ball. You can't continue moving right shoulder down because you'd miss the ball if you did. Your forced to creat a lot of out late because you didn't have enough out in transition.

 

Get arms working in more in the takeaway so you aren't loading left arm late and so arms can work more out in transition which will allow right side to work more down through impact

 

I'd love to get close to the look in your avatar. Arms close to the body and connected. Handle closer to the body and lower. I HATE raising the handle into impact. Raising handle and shallowing out the path gives me inconsistent contact, and hooks. With my driver the handle gets raised a LOT.

 

The handle raises in all good swings. Lowest hands get is when they are even with right leg or thereabouts.