Why No Love for the 716 MBs?

[jsixman]

Everybody is talking about how much they love the T-MB and the CBs, with minimal talk about the AP2s or MBs. (716 line) I hit the ap2 716 and think they are tough to beat, but have played blades in the past and thought about doing the 716 MBs. Anybody have a set up with these and what's the feedback?

[square]

Sadly, muscle back design irons are now frowned upon by the majority of hacks and top players a like.
I played Wednesday with a 21 year old club pro. who had always played muscle back irons, most recently the 714 MB's. Wednesday he showed up with a brand new set of 716 AP2's. I asked him why he made the switch and he said the Titleist rep for his golf course recommended the AP2's, that "it's what the Titelist Tour staff players like".. He played o.k. Wednesday , not quite as well as he usually does, and when I asked him about the new irons he replied "it will take some time to get used to looking at the big heads".
If a consumer is looking at a set of MB's at a golf store chances are good the floor sales rep will tell him "you are dreaming, Jordan Spieth plays AP' 2's and there is no reason for anybody to play MB's".
It truly is sad that the golf industry is pushing players away from traditional sized irons and into over sized models. My guess is that if 75% of the guys playing AP2's right now (low and higher handicaps a like) played a few rounds with Titleist MB's or CB's they would strike better shots and enjoy their game more.
20,30 years ago , when MB's were significantly smaller than today's MB's, the only irons even higher caps especially struggle with were 2 and 3 irons, and those are gone for good now. A 4-PW set of today's Titleist MB's or CB's, plus a couple of new hybrids, is suitable for any skill level player, and a better choice than the currently popular chunky over sized AP2 style irons.

[BigBlue7]

[quote name='square' timestamp='1447442623' post='12595118']
Sadly, muscle back design irons are now frowned upon by the majority of hacks and top players a like.
I played Wednesday with a 21 year old club pro. who had always played muscle back irons, most recently the 714 MB's. Wednesday he showed up with a brand new set of 716 AP2's. I asked him why he made the switch and he said the Titleist rep for his golf course recommended the AP2's, that "it's what the Titelist Tour staff players like".. He played o.k. Wednesday , not quite as well as he usually does, and when I asked him about the new irons he replied "it will take some time to get used to looking at the big heads".
If a consumer is looking at a set of MB's at a golf store chances are good the floor sales rep will tell him "you are dreaming, Jordan Spieth plays AP' 2's and there is no reason for anybody to play MB's".
It truly is sad that the golf industry is pushing players away from traditional sized irons and into over sized models. My guess is that if 75% of the guys playing AP2's right now (low and higher handicaps a like) played a few rounds with Titleist MB's or CB's they would strike better shots and enjoy their game more.
20,30 years ago , when MB's were significantly smaller than today's MB's, the only irons even higher caps especially struggle with were 2 and 3 irons, and those are gone for good now. A 4-PW set of today's Titleist MB's or CB's, plus a couple of new hybrids, is suitable for any skill level player, and a better choice than the currently popular chunky over sized AP2 style irons.
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Is this post serious?

[bogeychip]

I got my 716 MB's in last week and absolutely love them. Sold my 714 AP2's. I like the MB's much better at address and the feedback is fantastic.

[Switch]

[quote name='jlukes' timestamp='1447442950' post='12595142']
[quote name='square' timestamp='1447442623' post='12595118']
Sadly, muscle back design irons are now frowned upon by the majority of hacks and top players a like.
I played Wednesday with a 21 year old club pro. who had always played muscle back irons, most recently the 714 MB's. Wednesday he showed up with a brand new set of 716 AP2's. I asked him why he made the switch and he said the Titleist rep for his golf course recommended the AP2's, that "it's what the Titelist Tour staff players like".. He played o.k. Wednesday , not quite as well as he usually does, and when I asked him about the new irons he replied "it will take some time to get used to looking at the big heads".
If a consumer is looking at a set of MB's at a golf store chances are good the floor sales rep will tell him "you are dreaming, Jordan Spieth plays AP' 2's and there is no reason for anybody to play MB's".
It truly is sad that the golf industry is pushing players away from traditional sized irons and into over sized models. My guess is that if 75% of the guys playing AP2's right now (low and higher handicaps a like) played a few rounds with Titleist MB's or CB's they would strike better shots and enjoy their game more.
20,30 years ago , when MB's were significantly smaller than today's MB's, the only irons even higher caps especially struggle with were 2 and 3 irons, and those are gone for good now. A 4-PW set of today's Titleist MB's or CB's, plus a couple of new hybrids, is suitable for any skill level player, and a better choice than the currently popular chunky over sized AP2 style irons.
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Is this post serious?
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What do you mean is this post serious? Please share with us your thoughts.

[BigBlue7]

So anything more the a MB is simply a sham contrived by the golf companies? We would all be better golfers with MBs, including the guys that have their livelihood depend on their game - and they choose inferior, non MB irons?

[Ivyguy]

I love the look of them.... I have always played blades (mp29 long and mp14 short irons), so it is merely a disdain of offset for me. It's purely mental/visual. I love ping clubs but the offset changes my swing (rather I change my swing when I play them). I am looking to replace my Cleveland Cg tours (4,6,8 irons) and these are on my short list to hit.

I think the greatest yield to technological gains come from CB/player cavities/gi irons. That being said, a lot of higher handicap players play non tour style golf balls. Titleist did a study that shows that everyone gains from the advanced tech in the pro v1 line. I think it's another case of playing the most forgiving iron you can stand to look at.... If it's a g30 then so be it, if it's the mb then you may not get the benefit of the added tech.

Imo, I think the mb will always have a place in golf. The craze for the cbs is overshadowing the mbs for now. That's all.

[Switch]

No doubt that club companies push new innovations to sell clubs. The reality is that blades have changed very little over the years in terms of tech. That results in minimal chance for revenue growth in the blade category. Of course the companies want us buying new clubs more regularly. Feedback provides learning and improves ball striking. The reality is all players would benefit by hitting clubs with more feedback as it would improve their ball striking. Of course, you have to weigh that with forgiveness on the course. Not to really debate blades vs. game improvement, but I think that most peoples swings would improve by hitting blades. That does not mean they should play them on the course. Tour players hit the ball in the middle of the club and any of them could play blades. They choose not to because of large club contracts, perceived benefits from CBs or other irons, or any other reason to make more money.

My only point would be that I think the innovation is great and does help us as golfers, but I think if you had anyone hit blades for a period of time it would improve their ball striking.

[BigBlue7]

[quote name='Switch' timestamp='1447447633' post='12595500'] Tour players hit the ball in the middle of the club and any of them could play blades. They choose not to because of large club contracts, perceived benefits from CBs or other irons, or any other reason to make more money.

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Wow - tour players sell out to not play blades rather than playing blades playing better/winning more?

Do you understand how insane that sounds?

[DTXgolfer12]

I love Titleist stuff - But their MB irons never did it for me. They just lost out in feel compared to the mizuno blades for me.

[Switch]

[quote name='jlukes' timestamp='1447447912' post='12595522']
[quote name='Switch' timestamp='1447447633' post='12595500'] Tour players hit the ball in the middle of the club and any of them could play blades. They choose not to because of large club contracts, perceived benefits from CBs or other irons, or any other reason to make more money.

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Wow - tour players sell out to not play blades rather than playing blades playing better/winning more?

Do you understand how insane that sounds?
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IMO, Tour players will play with whatever makes them more money. That includes winning tournaments. Feel free to state your opinions, I enjoy that aspect of Golf WRX. Do me a favor, please refrain from attacking me as a person. Not sure if you are actually implying I am insane. I am sure you opinion is worth hearing and as valid as mine. I have no interest in attacking anyone including you. I was merely asking why you posted your initial reply because I wanted to hear really why you posted what you did. Please do so, or not. This will be my last post in this thread, but I look forward to reading others. Thanks.

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[quote name='jlukes' timestamp='1447446578' post='12595424']
So anything more the a MB is simply a sham contrived by the golf companies? We would all be better golfers with MBs, including the guys that have their livelihood depend on their game - and they choose inferior, non MB irons?
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MB's are fine. I like to play with CB's. The point is that traditional size irons, either MB or CB, is the way to go. The over sized irons are too clunky and not good for sloped, grassy, hard pan, or other less than ideal lies.

[tdelam]

[quote name='square' timestamp='1447442623' post='12595118']
Sadly, muscle back design irons are now frowned upon by the majority of hacks and top players a like.
I played Wednesday with a 21 year old club pro. who had always played muscle back irons, most recently the 714 MB's. Wednesday he showed up with a brand new set of 716 AP2's. I asked him why he made the switch and he said the Titleist rep for his golf course recommended the AP2's, that "it's what the Titelist Tour staff players like".. He played o.k. Wednesday , not quite as well as he usually does, and when I asked him about the new irons he replied "it will take some time to get used to looking at the big heads".
If a consumer is looking at a set of MB's at a golf store chances are good the floor sales rep will tell him "you are dreaming, Jordan Spieth plays AP' 2's and there is no reason for anybody to play MB's".
It truly is sad that the golf industry is pushing players away from traditional sized irons and into over sized models. My guess is that if 75% of the guys playing AP2's right now (low and higher handicaps a like) played a few rounds with Titleist MB's or CB's they would strike better shots and enjoy their game more.
20,30 years ago , when MB's were significantly smaller than today's MB's, the only irons even higher caps especially struggle with were 2 and 3 irons, and those are gone for good now. A 4-PW set of today's Titleist MB's or CB's, plus a couple of new hybrids, is suitable for any skill level player, and a better choice than the currently popular chunky over sized AP2 style irons.
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LMAO... you can't be serious? Are you? Do you even play golf???

[ChelseaFCOwner]

I would go MB 716 but I get so much off center joy on my rsi2 TM's..... to mind the best looking club in the market (along with Ft Worth) is the Titleist MB

But seriously the MB 716 Irons are as great as it gets......

[patrick421]

[quote name='square' timestamp='1447442623' post='12595118']
Sadly, muscle back design irons are now frowned upon by the majority of hacks and top players a like.
I played Wednesday with a 21 year old club pro. who had always played muscle back irons, most recently the 714 MB's. Wednesday he showed up with a brand new set of 716 AP2's. I asked him why he made the switch and he said the Titleist rep for his golf course recommended the AP2's, that "it's what the Titelist Tour staff players like".. He played o.k. Wednesday , not quite as well as he usually does, and when I asked him about the new irons he replied "it will take some time to get used to looking at the big heads".
If a consumer is looking at a set of MB's at a golf store chances are good the floor sales rep will tell him "you are dreaming, Jordan Spieth plays AP' 2's and there is no reason for anybody to play MB's".
It truly is sad that the golf industry is pushing players away from traditional sized irons and into over sized models. My guess is that if 75% of the guys playing AP2's right now (low and higher handicaps a like) played a few rounds with Titleist MB's or CB's they would strike better shots and enjoy their game more.
20,30 years ago , when MB's were significantly smaller than today's MB's, the only irons even higher caps especially struggle with were 2 and 3 irons, and those are gone for good now. A 4-PW set of today's Titleist MB's or CB's, plus a couple of new hybrids, is suitable for any skill level player, and a better choice than the currently popular chunky over sized AP2 style irons.
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Play whatever you want pal but don't tell anyone else what is right or wrong. You've been around this site long enough to know that when you make a post like this it leads to yet another blades vs GI arguement that everyone is sick of. We just need the two engineer nerds from the other thread and we are all set for another full blown dumpster fire. The OP wanted some feedback regarding the new MB's not some guy who thinks his opinion matters more than everyone else's.

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[quote name='patrick421' timestamp='1447450552' post='12595678']
[quote name='square' timestamp='1447442623' post='12595118']
Sadly, muscle back design irons are now frowned upon by the majority of hacks and top players a like.
I played Wednesday with a 21 year old club pro. who had always played muscle back irons, most recently the 714 MB's. Wednesday he showed up with a brand new set of 716 AP2's. I asked him why he made the switch and he said the Titleist rep for his golf course recommended the AP2's, that "it's what the Titelist Tour staff players like".. He played o.k. Wednesday , not quite as well as he usually does, and when I asked him about the new irons he replied "it will take some time to get used to looking at the big heads".
If a consumer is looking at a set of MB's at a golf store chances are good the floor sales rep will tell him "you are dreaming, Jordan Spieth plays AP' 2's and there is no reason for anybody to play MB's".
It truly is sad that the golf industry is pushing players away from traditional sized irons and into over sized models. My guess is that if 75% of the guys playing AP2's right now (low and higher handicaps a like) played a few rounds with Titleist MB's or CB's they would strike better shots and enjoy their game more.
20,30 years ago , when MB's were significantly smaller than today's MB's, the only irons even higher caps especially struggle with were 2 and 3 irons, and those are gone for good now. A 4-PW set of today's Titleist MB's or CB's, plus a couple of new hybrids, is suitable for any skill level player, and a better choice than the currently popular chunky over sized AP2 style irons.
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Play whatever you want pal but don't tell anyone else what is right or wrong. You've been around this site long enough to know that when you make a post like this it leads to yet another blades vs GI arguement that everyone is sick of. We just need the two engineer nerds from the other thread and we are all set for another full blown dumpster fire. The OP wanted some feedback regarding the new MB's not some guy who thinks his opinion matters more than everyone else's.
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Why is it that one hundred posts praising the merits of large GI irons is perfectly fine, but one post against the large heads is forbidden?
Remember, a forum is a place to exchange a variety of perspectives . Hope this helps.

[redhead]

I think there are a lot of love for 716MB. They're just a scratch/low handicapper who are too busy spending times on the range and chipping area grinding their games; instead of spending times here responding to comments and such.

[bryanwmilburn]

I might say this just because I just got fit, but I would never go Titleist MB over Mizuno MP 5.1) MP5 you get upgraded shafts at no additional charge 2) You get upgraded grips (I got the brand new Multi Compound) for no upcharge. 3) They look at least as good or better 4) They feel better.

I went 7-PW MP5 and 4-6 MP 25. So excited.

[DeCuchi]

I tried the 716 mb's. I think they have replaced my mp 4 as the best looking mb on the market. The performance is equal, however the mizunos feel better to me. I'd love to have a set 5-p with TMB 3 and 4 irons, but can't justify the cost. They are definitely the best Titleist mb's since the 681's.

[KMizz1701]

[quote name='jsixman' timestamp='1447437278' post='12594818']
Everybody is talking about how much they love the T-MB and the CBs, with minimal talk about the AP2s or MBs. (716 line) I hit the ap2 716 and think they are tough to beat, but have played blades in the past and thought about doing the 716 MBs. Anybody have a set up with these and what's the feedback?
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[KMizz1701]

I just switched to the AP 2s 716 after playing blades for 13 plus years and absolutely love them..... I was skeptical at first and held on to my 714 MBs but recently sold them....they have made a lot of improvements since the APs first came out

[rainkingjr]

I hit the 716MB recently. If I were going to put blades in the bag they'd be on the short list. Beautiful irons.

[ZPrime]

I love the 716 MBs and will be getting a set. They have beaten out CBs and AP2 every time on simulator and out dor range. Now the MP5 are the issue. They perform a bit better and feel better but I just like looking at MBs more. Especially 716 MB PW vs MP5 PW

[KPH808]

I'm with you on this. Performance wise I don't know but the MP5 does feel better.

[Luke7]

I'll be getting a set eventually. I don't think there is much talk about them because they are the most "what you see is what you get" of the 716 release. There's not much to talk about as there really isn't any technological advanced. You can sum them up with:
Higher muscle, pre worn leading edge, modern 680 MB, chrome/satin finish, look great. There's nothing else to say because they're the same old Titleist MB, which isn't a bad thing at all.

[jsixman]

I don't know what it is but I haven't found one mizuno iron that I like and hit well. The MP-5s are sick looking but not as good to look down on IMO. Maybe it's a mental thing. Has anyone compared to the 714 MB? I hit those for a bit with a CB combo, and would have just preferred a full MB set. They were pretty damn good.

[MelloYello]

[quote name='Luke7' timestamp='1447477819' post='12597344']
I'll be getting a set eventually. I don't think there is much talk about them because they are the most "what you see is what you get" of the 716 release. There's not much to talk about as there really isn't any technological advanced. You can sum them up with:
Higher muscle, pre worn leading edge, modern 680 MB, chrome/satin finish, look great. There's nothing else to say because they're the same old Titleist MB, which isn't a bad thing at all.
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[quote name='redhead' timestamp='1447459135' post='12596234']
I think there are a lot of love for 716MB. They're just a scratch/low handicapper who are too busy spending times on the range and chipping area grinding their games; instead of spending times here responding to comments and such.
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[quote name='bryanwmilburn' timestamp='1447459370' post='12596252']
I might say this just because I just got fit, but I would never go Titleist MB over Mizuno MP 5.1) MP5 you get upgraded shafts at no additional charge 2) You get upgraded grips (I got the brand new Multi Compound) for no upcharge. 3) They look at least as good or better 4) They feel better.

I went 7-PW MP5 and 4-6 MP 25. So excited.
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I think those 3 responses really sum it up. I think a larger number of GI players will be inclined to speak on their clubs. That's natural. But also, there's very little advancement to be made and they aren't the most popular option amongst GolfWRX users. Mizuno seems to be a bit more popular, at least amongst the folks who speak up.

[ProjectX_Mizuno]

I hit the Titleist MB's and they are sweet. I just hit the MP4's better though. Both are classy looking, but for me the Mizzys won out in all categories.

[ZPrime]

I've hit the 714 MB vs the 716 MB on indoor simulator. 3 times I walked away thinking 716. Once I was convinced 714. So there is probably very little difference. 716 feel abit better to me and pre worn sole is nice

[rcain1us]

Different brand, but I just went in the other direction after a season with Apex Pros I went went all in on the Apex MB.

I may not hit the perfectly every time (I didin't with the Apex Pros either) but they are pure honey sweet when I do.