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I had probably played every imaginable combination at one point in my life. Started with a PW/56. Went to a P/55/60, then a whole lot of others - P/52/56/60 was the most common - but I found I was most consistent when I had 2 more wedges after the PW. I started with a 54/60 combo. I used the 60 from all greenside shots and 90yds and in and the 54 from 95-115. I went to a 52/58 setup lately because it gives me the best gaps and I found that I can take off yds from the 58 easier than I could with the 60. I also went to a single length wedge system - PW, 52 and 58 are all 36" - so the feeling is all the same with full swings, chips, pitches and everything in between. I think that alone has helped my short game more than anything. I would constantly thin the high loft clubs at their shorter length but not nearly as much lately. I just picked up a 50 and 54 to experiment a little. I just have to figure out which club to take out of the top end of my bag if the 4 wedge setup works better.

 

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I'm a big fan of keeping wedge grips as taper-less as possible to keep the same feel when you hold it down farther. I've used the Ping wedge grips before but I don't remember them being all that good feeling for me.

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PW doesn't count here. It gets lumped in with the irons. Playing two wedges is (PW not counting as a "wedge" despite the name, plus....) sand wedge around 53-55 and lob wedge around 58-60.

 

If it's not a wedge why do all of the golf manufacturers, save Hogan, call it that and stamp PW on the club? :read:

 

Because in the modern numbering/naming convention, PW comes after 9 without regard to the design of the club. Furthermore, a modern, set matching PW has the same design as the short irons and a similar loft and thus can be considered as a mere continuation of the short irons.

 

If a set matching PW were a true wedge, it'd be designed more like a specialty wedge (e.g., a Vokey or 588) and have loft in the 50*-53* range.

 

Well Jimmy Walker used 3 Vokeys. 3-9 716 TMB and 3 Vokeys...ergo...3 "wedges".

 

Also, irons can include a set matching sand and lob wedge if I wanted, so would that mean i'm using NO wedges by your defintion?

 

No. Once you hit a 50* loft, the clubs usually at least pretend to be wedges, even if the don't have flexible design of a specialty wedge.

 

A Vokey 48* is closer to a wedge than most set matching wedges, to be sure.

 

To an extent, I try to take a functional approach to the definition of a wedge. So, if you hit a 40 yd pitches with your set matching 46* PW, then I can't really argue with you if you want to call it a wedge. To an extent I also consider most clubs at or over 50* to be wedges, though there are some that I think may be better called super high lofted irons.

 

The only reason why I'm even discussing how to define the term wedge is because we (meaning GolfWRX posters) don't have a common definition and thus the conversation is cumbersome because we're always having to say if we're including the nominal PW in the discussion. If it wasn't for that, I probably wouldn't care about it enough to post.

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I've done it all.

P, 56

P, 56, 60

P, 52, 56, 60

P, 52, 58

P, 54, 60

P, 51, 54, 57, 60

P, 52, 58, 64

 

And literally have tweaked every single one of those lofts a degree or two here or there within that wedge configuration. 6° gaps? Sure. 3° gaps? Why not. 2, 3, 4, 5 wedges???? Give it a shot. And what did I learn?

 

Well, I'm not really sure what I learned, but I'll try to make something up that sounds eloquent.

 

None of it matters. Not really. Not to us. I mean, I have my preferences with how the wedges should be set up and I suggest that to my students, but that doesn't mean I'm right. We are all going to have days where we end up in between yardages, either at the top end of the bag, or the bottom end. We are all going to have days where the ball ends up in a lie that we don't like to deal with, multiple times. It's golf, and even though we want to, sometimes, you just can't shoehorn this swing idea or that bag setup into your game.

 

Here's my rule: Make sure that you have a wedge (or wedges) in your bag that allow you to hit your favorite style of short game shot as often as possible under the conditions that you face most often. If that means you only need one wedge to hit "your" pitch shot and bunker shot, congrats! You get to load up the bag somewhere else. If that means you need 3 wedges to hit "your" pitch and bunker shots, congrats! You are going to have really nice tight gaps in your wedges! Either way, you'll be fine.

 

PS. I purposely didn't say anything about chip shots and partial wedges for a reason. Simply put, you should be able to hit a chip shot with most any club in the bag and, as far as partial wedges, lol, you aren't really out there practicing those that much anyway, are you? Just lay up to 100yds! (said in jest, but there is a bit of truth buried deep down there, isn't there?)

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Everyone should just copy my wedge setup. Money!

 

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PW doesn't count here. It gets lumped in with the irons. Playing two wedges is (PW not counting as a "wedge" despite the name, plus....) sand wedge around 53-55 and lob wedge around 58-60.
If it's not a wedge why do all of the golf manufacturers, save Hogan, call it that and stamp PW on the club? :read:
Because in the modern numbering/naming convention, PW comes after 9 without regard to the design of the club. Furthermore, a modern, set matching PW has the same design as the short irons and a similar loft and thus can be considered as a mere continuation of the short irons. If a set matching PW were a true wedge, it'd be designed more like a specialty wedge (e.g., a Vokey or 588) and have loft in the 50*-53* range.
Well Jimmy Walker used 3 Vokeys. 3-9 716 TMB and 3 Vokeys...ergo...3 "wedges". Also, irons can include a set matching sand and lob wedge if I wanted, so would that mean i'm using NO wedges by your defintion?
No. Once you hit a 50* loft, the clubs usually at least pretend to be wedges, even if the don't have flexible design of a specialty wedge. A Vokey 48* is closer to a wedge than most set matching wedges, to be sure. To an extent, I try to take a functional approach to the definition of a wedge. So, if you hit a 40 yd pitches with your set matching 46* PW, then I can't really argue with you if you want to call it a wedge. To an extent I also consider most clubs at or over 50* to be wedges, though there are some that I think may be better called super high lofted irons. The only reason why I'm even discussing how to define the term wedge is because we (meaning GolfWRX posters) don't have a common definition and thus the conversation is cumbersome because we're always having to say if we're including the nominal PW in the discussion. If it wasn't for that, I probably wouldn't care about it enough to post.

For most people their PW is essentially a 10i. It's a full swing club that goes a little shorter than their 9i, that they occasionally use for chipping, just like their 9i, 8i and 7i.

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well with the way irons are going, soon you will have a PW at 39 or 40 degrees. I really doubt you can consider that a wedge. I think 45 or 46 is the lowest loft i will consider something being a wedge.

 

I also like having less wedges, so when I shank it into the woods, I only have to 2 wedges instead of P, G1, G2, G3, S, L ;)

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I'm a 4 wedge (PW/50/54/58) kind of guy. I feel extremely comfortable with distances from 135 and in. I prefer to not hit my 50/54/58 on full shots but will if necessary. Unfortunately there are too many variables that affect my shot decision (wind/pin placement/hazards etc) so I believe in having many tools to get the job done. A hammer might be the best tool at building a house, but it isn't the only tool you need.

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It really doesn't matter. Technically none of the clubs in the whole bag are full swing clubs. The amount of times in a round that I take a full "stock" swing at a pin is virtually zero. After that it's really just bag setup preferences and how you like to have your gaps. I like to have relatively even gaps throughout the bag. The idea that less clubs/wedges leaves less room for decision making is silly. It doesn't make a difference. Every shot takes the same amount of decision-making no matter how many clubs you have in the bag. The less club options you have to execute a specific shot, then the more you have to be skilled at manipulating each Club. That's usually not a good thing for most amateurs. But the psyche is a strange thing and sometimes overcomes logic. Whatever you think works often does.

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In commentary on Sky last night, Butch Harmon said that Jimmy Walker was one of the only guys he knows who uses one wedge for every shot around the green from flop shots to low bump and runs, manipulating the club head with his fantastic hands.

 

I can remember when you had a 50* PW and 55* SW and that was it...I can't remember never having enough loft in my hand with a 55* SW. Having said that, as my PW is now 46* I usually play 52-58 but have just added an old 56* SW as it is easier to plug the distance gaps at the other end of the bag with the variety of woods, hybrids and driving irons.

 

I'm sure that can't be right.

 

Zac Johnson recommends just using one wedge

 

"Another word of wisdom: Get good with one of your wedges. Choose the one you're most comfortable with and practice with it the most. With so many loft and bounce options, it can be tough to decide which wedge is right for a given chip or pitch. Having confidence in your go-to wedge makes the job a whole lot easier."

 

Short Game coach James Ridyard recommends using just one - with a smash factor of one so that you are using the built in throwing ability from your genes, ie it will go the same amount as if you threw it.

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In commentary on Sky last night, Butch Harmon said that Jimmy Walker was one of the only guys he knows who uses one wedge for every shot around the green from flop shots to low bump and runs, manipulating the club head with his fantastic hands.

 

I can remember when you had a 50* PW and 55* SW and that was it...I can't remember never having enough loft in my hand with a 55* SW. Having said that, as my PW is now 46* I usually play 52-58 but have just added an old 56* SW as it is easier to plug the distance gaps at the other end of the bag with the variety of woods, hybrids and driving irons.

 

I'm sure that can't be right.

 

Zac Johnson recommends just using one wedge

 

"Another word of wisdom: Get good with one of your wedges. Choose the one you're most comfortable with and practice with it the most. With so many loft and bounce options, it can be tough to decide which wedge is right for a given chip or pitch. Having confidence in your go-to wedge makes the job a whole lot easier."

 

Short Game coach James Ridyard recommends using just one - with a smash factor of one so that you are using the built in throwing ability from your genes, ie it will go the same amount as if you threw it.

 

There are two main schools of thought as I see it: use one wedge for all of your shots; or use one swing with various clubs. I have real difficulty hitting a 20 yard bump and run with even a 52* gap wedge and usually use 8-iron. If there is a bunker in the way, I use a slightly longer 'bump and run' swing with a wedge but I am much less consistent with a wedge in my hand.

 

I can see the benefits of both schools...the one wedge route would mean a lot more practice to master all the shots for me though.

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I can't think of a single situation where simplicity is not better. For some people, simplicity is one swing with different clubs (as discussed above), for others simplicity is one club with different swings. Whatever works for each individual is the way to go, but for me switching from 3 wedges (52/56/60) to 2 (usually 52/58 but sometimes 54/60) changed my game and lowered my scores by about 5 shots a round.

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I went to a 4 wedge set up a while back as based on my shirt game. 54 for 100y and then 10-12 about that. Moved to a 58 from a 60 as pretty confident manipulating for around the greens. A few sets back Pw was 47 so 110 was a partial shot, but sets since pw has been 46 and now 45 with 9 iron accordingly stronger. So naturally now have a 50 Uw matching the irons and still feel like I have "2" wedges at the bottom since those match and the U matches the irons.

 

Also I can't find the article but it commented on wedges in that depending on the Tees/distances you are hitting from, if you most often are left with no more than a 7 iron in than play more wedges. If you are more than 7 iron in than put more options on the top end.

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I tried the 4 wedges setup a few times and always go back to 3. I like partial shots more than full wedges and it gave me too many options. My wedge play didn't improve with 4 like I had hoped so in went back. Digging the wedge life again.

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This has come up at least three times this year. Again, of the top ten wedge players on the PGA Tour, 50% play 3 wedges and 50% play 4 wedges, and a few sometimes play 5 wedges at a course like Augusta.

 

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Whatever works for them, they know their game better than anyone. I play much shorter courses and like having 10 yard gaps for 120-110-100 since I get those yardages very often throughout a round, so I'll stick with my 50/54/58 setup.

i run into the same thing, but i just added a 68* for BIG flop shots to tight pins....had to pull the 17* hybrid to make room, but my bag is probably unusual, but gets the job done, and is based on my individual need...

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Just kidding.

 

But it's an interesting fact. Does the streamlined training when using one GW/SW and one LW make a difference or is it just a coincidence?

 

I've been using a 52-56-60 setup all my life but I'm really curious about the 2 wedge setup. I don't need the extra wood but I could for sure need some help with my wedges. Maybe less tools and more familiarity with them is the way to go?

 

 

What's your thoughts about 2 or 3 wedge setups?

tried it and didn't work as well, but prolly have to give it alot more time to have it set in...just coincidence, I am sure there have been times when 3 wedges were winners back to back to back....etc

 

Been back to 3 wedges and am happy

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I have played my last 3 rounds at level par. This is working for me...may not for you. I simplified and it worked. I am not Phil.

 

PW is 47.5

GW is 52

SW is 58

 

The SW does not get hit with a full swing unless it's from crap lie, or long bunker. It is the finesse club in my bag. The rest are flighted, like the rest of my irons, by my swing.

 

Downside? I "carry" an extra long iron I never use.

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Kind of threw me for a loop here, I was thinking there's no way they're only using 2 wedges.

 

Upon inspection they are using 2 wedges in addition to the PW in their set, so they all really use 3 wedges. 3-4 is pretty much the norm.

I thought the whole point of this thread was to discuss the difference between a 2 and a 3 wedge set up. Saying everyone carries between 2 and 3 wedges (or 3 or 4 if you include the PW) doesn't really help :P .

Personally, I'm more and more curious about that 2 wedge idea. I'm pretty sure I could live well without my 51 if I had a 54 and a 58. I now uses a 51-56-60 set up. My only fear is that I'd miss the 60 too much. Anyone doing pw-54-60?

That sounds like something I'd like to try.

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When you practice as much as these guys do you can reliably alter distance, trajectory, spin with only 2 wedges. Doesn't work for me.

 

Exactly this....I don't have the time to practice so I need every club I can get!

 

I hardly practice, but find it easier to just use two wedges. I don't see the need for small gaps from 50-60 degrees, a 5 to 6 degree gap is fine. The less wedges the less you think about it or think about hitting shots you probably can't.

 

If I need the precision of 3-4 degree gaps from 150-200 yards then I certainly need it inside 100 yards where the majority of shots are hit.

 

Well if you're winning majors, you aren't getting up and down too many times cause you're hitting 55-60 greens a tournament, if not more. Which is a $#!+ ton.

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I went from PW/51/55/59 to PW/52/58 and have been playing significantly better. Never been happier

 

Around the greens...there is 58* (high and soft), 52* (mid with check), or any other club for bump and run.

 

Oftentimes I think fewer options are better for players.

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To me, wedges are even more personal than putting. Carry however many wedges allow you to execute the kind of shots you visualize.

 

I carry PW plus 4, and never hit any of them full out. I'm comfortable with lots of options. I'd really rather give something up at the top of the bag than limit my scoring clubs.

 

 

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Whatever idriveahonda says should be automatically discredited and taken with no value what so ever because he is blackout drunk 95% of the time he plays..... :air_kiss:

 

That's interesting. You could argue that that's a good reason to carry fewer wedges--the better to cause less befuddlement in the drunkard's brain. Or you could argue that that's a good reason to carry more wedges--the better to not hurt your game if you leave one or two behind somewhere. Hmmm....

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Young Waldo, your setup will definitely help people with a Rhythm issue,

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A little secret from the old days. Players like Jack, Hogan and I think Watson for a while played with a 51-53 degree PW and a 57-58 degree SW. the specs may have been listed as 55-56 on the SW but they like some extra loft.

 

This translates well into the modern set with many carrying 58 degree wedges with a 52-54 gap wedge, the modern PW is nothing more than a 9 iron.

 

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Whatever idriveahonda says should be automatically discredited and taken with no value what so ever because he is blackout drunk 95% of the time he plays..... :air_kiss:

 

And continually DRAGS YO Word not allowed while blackout drunk.

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      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Matt (LFG) Every - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Sahith Theegala - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Cameron putters (and new "LD" grip) - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Bettinardi MB & CB irons - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Bettinardi API putter cover - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Swag API covers - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Golf Pride Reverse Taper grips - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Cognizant Classic - Discussion and Links to Photos
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      General Albums
       
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #1
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #2
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #3
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #4
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Brandt Snedeker - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Max Greyserman - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Eric Cole - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Carl Yuan - WITb - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Russell Henley - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Justin Sun - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alex Noren - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Shane Lowry - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Taylor Montgomery - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jake Knapp (KnappTime_ltd) - WITB - - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Super Stoke Pistol Lock 1.0 & 2.0 grips - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      LA Golf new insert putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Garsen Quad Tour 15 grip - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Swag covers - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jacob Bridgeman's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Bud Cauley's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Ryo Hisatsune's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Chris Kirk - new black Callaway Apex CB irons and a few Odyssey putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alejandro Tosti's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #3
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
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