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St. Andrews for me, I mean I get the history aspect but its a pretty boring course.

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Torrey Pines, all it is is long and on a (admittedly rather nice) cliff.

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Whoever said Oakmont...I'm with Richard...GTFOH...I will bet good money you have never played the course and until then not sure how you could make such an asinine statement. Having played it countless times it is day in day out the hardest test in golf. It IS what major championship golf was meant to be. Just shaking my head at some people. Wow.

 

Greg- Man I am with you. I have played Royal Aberdeen about 10 times and if it wasn't for the fact that it would be nearly impossible for spectators to watch the golf and there is no driving range it would be the best Open championship course in the Rota.

 

In my opinion the most overrated course that hosts majors would have to be Pinehurst No.2. My Dad, brothers and I were the first foursome off the day they re-opened it when Crenshaw renovated it and I was wildly unimpressed with all 18 holes. I mean it's a decent golf course but a few other courses in that system are much better. No. 2 was just boring. I'm sure in championship form it would present a challenge but how many of us get to see courses in that shape day in day out unless you are member at Oakmont

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Pinehurst #2. Ho hum. Basically looks like 30 other NC courses in the pines. Crowned greens make it tough, but other than that, not so special. Yes, I've played it a few times. The resort is great, though.

 

I will definitely echo your sentiments on #2. It is a beautiful track and a challenge, but in my opinion there are 3-4 better courses in Pinehurst alone, let alone the entire country.

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Torrey Pines, all it is is long and on a (admittedly rather nice) cliff.

 

Having played it, totally disagree. Quite a bit going on there. Too bad the development inland detracts a little, but there are some awesome holes and missing the fairway or even just off some greens presents some serious challenges.

 

I've never played St. Andrews and have heard all the criticism about it for years. All I can say is if I'm ever lucky enough to play there I know I'll be overwhelmed by the historical significance and will embrace the design and love every second of it. Then will be headed way up north for some courses I'm dying to play. Full confession, my dream trip to Scotland has me figuring out how to make St. Andrews work because I want to spend the entire time based in the Dornoch area.

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St. Andrews for me, I mean I get the history aspect but its a pretty boring course.

 

It is far from boring to play.

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Pinehurst #2. Ho hum. Basically looks like 30 other NC courses in the pines. Crowned greens make it tough, but other than that, not so special. Yes, I've played it a few times. The resort is great, though.

 

I will definitely echo your sentiments on #2. It is a beautiful track and a challenge, but in my opinion there are 3-4 better courses in Pinehurst alone, let alone the entire country.

I agree. I played 6 courses while on a trip there. #2 might have been my 5th favorite. I thought Pine Needles was a gem.

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Whoever said Oakmont...I'm with Richard...GTFOH...I will bet good money you have never played the course and until then not sure how you could make such an asinine statement. Having played it countless times it is day in day out the hardest test in golf. It IS what major championship golf was meant to be. Just shaking my head at some people. Wow.

 

Greg- Man I am with you. I have playc.f. 'd cbc''d xXxX xXxXcbc'' vCard vCard'ecv cv'' cv''''''dxXxX Royal Aberdeen about 10 times and if it wasn't for the fact that it would be nearly impossible for spectators to watch the golf and there is no driving range it would be the best Open championship course in the Rota.

 

In my opinion the most overrated course that hosts majors would have to be Pinehurst No.2. My Dad, brothers and I were the first foursome off the day they re-opened it when Crenshaw renovated it and I was wildly unimpressed with all 18 holes. I mean it's a decent golf course but a few other courses in that system are much better. No. 2 was just boring. I'm sure in championship form it would present a challenge but how many of us get to see courses in that shape day in day out unless you are member at Oakmont

Bro, the easy thing to do is keep my mouth shut and let you post a positive post regarding mine, but medicated or not, I cannot do that. I obviously did not make myself clear.

 

Apologies to all, especially Kirk and Bruin!

 

I think Oakmont is overrated

 

Yes, it is a beast-

 

Though, so would a lot of 7200+ yard tracks be if ya grew the rough to 6-7" and ran huge sloped greens at 15+

 

I've Played it in US Open condition and in "regular" condition, and though I do not have a barometer for measurement regarding how it stacks up to other Championship tracks in "Major" mode, as I have only Played Merion, PH #2 and Congressional in such conditions, all I will say is that the members s*** themselves, literally, when it rains Open week.

 

Why is that????

 

It rains during Open week at Merion and it doesn't Play appreciatively easier. Nor does #2. Obviously any course wet allows one to fire at pins however Oakmont is just another 7200+ yard track with 5-7" rough when it rains.

 

When we co-hosted the 2003 US Am with Oakmont, and I realize that it was not the US Open, however our place Played .58 stroke easier than Oakmont at 6894yds. Ours is a traditional eastern course with the trees, narrow fairways, heavy rough if we so desire(it was 4-6") and sloped tiered greens.

 

It is not Oakmont.

 

It will punish you as a Player however it will not bring you to your knees like Oakmont can.

 

Though as I said, 7200yds+, 5-7" rough and 15+ on the stimp is tough anywhere.

 

Put the rough at 4-6"(The USGA swears that in 2007 it measured 8-9" half way through second cut. The bois just laughed and said "quit cryin and let em Play," LMAO) and see how they do.

 

Yes, I believe that it is one of the top 5-10 tracks in the country, though not one of the top 5.

 

Maybe it's because I've Played it to the extent that I know the course, I know where and when to "go for it" and what is a "sucker's shot" and how to take what my game and the course give me.

 

Make no mistake, it's a beast however I just can't shake sitting in Open/USGA Committee meetings and all the Oakmont bois could talk about was the weather report because their greatest fear is rain to soften the course.

 

I believe that 1973 is never far from their thoughts when the rains hit, however you are also talking about one of arguably THE 3-4 greatest mid/long iron Players of all time getting hot that day.

My thing is, the truly Greatest tracks, the weather doesn't matter.

 

You don't need 7200+ yards, 15+ on the stimp and 6-7" of rough to make it a test.

 

Cut the rough at 4-6, run the greens at 12-13 and see what the bois could do....

 

LMFAO, yea, right......

 

S***, with those markers, there are a lot of tracks that would be a b****, lol

 

Maybe it's me, haha

 

Anyhoo, sorry for the misunderstanding and as I'm already running a fever, I'm not putting my flame retardent suit on, lol.

 

Have a great holiday BroMeisters :)

 

All The Best,

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Pinehurst #2. Ho hum. Basically looks like 30 other NC courses in the pines. Crowned greens make it tough, but other than that, not so special. Yes, I've played it a few times. The resort is great, though.

 

I will definitely echo your sentiments on #2. It is a beautiful track and a challenge, but in my opinion there are 3-4 better courses in Pinehurst alone, let alone the entire country.

 

I think a key element of course greatness is memorability, and I can not think of one hole at Pinehurst #2 which is truly memorable.

 

I'd bet, if we had a "pop quiz" here at GolfWRX, and you asked 100 randomly selected WRX'ers to identify the characteristics of almost any hole on the #2 course, most couldn't do it.

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Pinehurst #2...18 is memorable....for me. I thinned a greenside bunker shot up onto the veranda filled with cocktail sippers. Ball rattled around and came out, and I got it up and down from the rough to a small, disdainful round of applause.

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So if I understand your definition of an overrated course, and correct me if I am wrong, it would be a course that today's players can overpower with low scores. Does that mean that Pebble Beach is overrated, because Tiger sure had his way with it during a major. Just my personal opinion, I find Bethpage Black greatly overrated. Is it a great public course for being in NYC? Sure it is. But my experience playing it was that its just long and has brutal rough and I would be fine never playing it again. New Yorkers- I look forward to your hate mail. LOL!

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Pinehurst #2. Ho hum. Basically looks like 30 other NC courses in the pines. Crowned greens make it tough, but other than that, not so special. Yes, I've played it a few times. The resort is great, though.

 

I will definitely echo your sentiments on #2. It is a beautiful track and a challenge, but in my opinion there are 3-4 better courses in Pinehurst alone, let alone the entire country.

I agree. I played 6 courses while on a trip there. #2 might have been my 5th favorite. I thought Pine Needles was a gem.

 

I think #2 may be the 4th or 5th best course at the Pinehurst Resort let alone the Pinehurst area! I would play #8, #4 and #9 before it and to be honest #7 may be better as well. Other local gems like Mid Pines, Pine Needles and Dormie Club are also superior...

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Whoever said Oakmont...I'm with Richard...GTFOH...I will bet good money you have never played the course and until then not sure how you could make such an asinine statement. Having played it countless times it is day in day out the hardest test in golf. It IS what major championship golf was meant to be. Just shaking my head at some people. Wow.

 

Greg- Man I am with you. I have playc.f. 'd cbc''d xXxX xXxXcbc'' vCard vCard'ecv cv'' cv''''''dxXxX Royal Aberdeen about 10 times and if it wasn't for the fact that it would be nearly impossible for spectators to watch the golf and there is no driving range it would be the best Open championship course in the Rota.

 

In my opinion the most overrated course that hosts majors would have to be Pinehurst No.2. My Dad, brothers and I were the first foursome off the day they re-opened it when Crenshaw renovated it and I was wildly unimpressed with all 18 holes. I mean it's a decent golf course but a few other courses in that system are much better. No. 2 was just boring. I'm sure in championship form it would present a challenge but how many of us get to see courses in that shape day in day out unless you are member at Oakmont

Bro, the easy thing to do is keep my mouth shut and let you post a positive post regarding mine, but medicated or not, I cannot do that. I obviously did not make myself clear.

 

Apologies to all, especially Kirk and Bruin!

 

I think Oakmont is overrated

 

Yes, it is a beast-

 

Though, so would a lot of 7200+ yard tracks be if ya grew the rough to 6-7" and ran huge sloped greens at 15+

 

I've Played it in US Open condition and in "regular" condition, and though I do not have a barometer for measurement regarding how it stacks up to other Championship tracks in "Major" mode, as I have only Played Merion, PH #2 and Congressional in such conditions, all I will say is that the members s*** themselves, literally, when it rains Open week.

 

Why is that????

 

It rains during Open week at Merion and it doesn't Play appreciatively easier. Nor does #2. Obviously any course wet allows one to fire at pins however Oakmont is just another 7200+ yard track with 5-7" rough when it rains.

 

When we co-hosted the 2003 US Am with Oakmont, and I realize that it was not the US Open, however our place Played .58 stroke easier than Oakmont at 6894yds. Ours is a traditional eastern course with the trees, narrow fairways, heavy rough if we so desire(it was 4-6") and sloped tiered greens.

 

It is not Oakmont.

 

It will punish you as a Player however it will not bring you to your knees like Oakmont can.

 

Though as I said, 7200yds+, 5-7" rough and 15+ on the stimp is tough anywhere.

 

Put the rough at 4-6"(The USGA swears that in 2007 it measured 8-9" half way through second cut. The bois just laughed and said "quit cryin and let em Play," LMAO) and see how they do.

 

Yes, I believe that it is one of the top 5-10 tracks in the country, though not one of the top 5.

 

Maybe it's because I've Played it to the extent that I know the course, I know where and when to "go for it" and what is a "sucker's shot" and how to take what my game and the course give me.

 

Make no mistake, it's a beast however I just can't shake sitting in Open/USGA Committee meetings and all the Oakmont bois could talk about was the weather report because their greatest fear is rain to soften the course.

 

I believe that 1973 is never far from their thoughts when the rains hit, however you are also talking about one of arguably THE 3-4 greatest mid/long iron Players of all time getting hot that day.

My thing is, the truly Greatest tracks, the weather doesn't matter.

 

You don't need 7200+ yards, 15+ on the stimp and 6-7" of rough to make it a test.

 

Cut the rough at 4-6, run the greens at 12-13 and see what the bois could do....

 

LMFAO, yea, right......

 

S***, with those markers, there are a lot of tracks that would be a b****, lol

 

Maybe it's me, haha

 

Anyhoo, sorry for the misunderstanding and as I'm already running a fever, I'm not putting my flame retardent suit on, lol.

 

Have a great holiday BroMeisters :)

 

All The Best,

Richard

 

 

Richard I could never flame you bro!!!

 

I respect your extremely credible critique of OCC and it is a valid critique. The softening of the course from rain is certainly it's chink in the armor...a big chink at that. my only rebuttal is that knowing that Fownes designed it to be a championship course it is hard to throw it in the overrated for a major category for me seeing how it was specifically designed to host big tourneys. In defense of your club and many in that area, the 'burgh just has a wonderful DNA for having extremely difficult and challenging but fair golf courses. I as well took the history of the club and it's list of winners there. There are many courses that need the rough and greens at insane speeds to make them tough. Even if oakmont mowed the rough down it is still a tough track with the narrowness of the fairways, the deep bunkers, the long par 3's, drivable par 4, the church pews...

 

I've played Oak Hill in tournament conditions and man alive that course is a beast as well. WF as well. I think the world of majors could stand to bring in some new blood to show what else is out there. Players learn courses and it becomes target golf for them. PH #2's only defense to me is the domed greens but if they are soft and wet and the greens slow down it's not a tough track at all. Pebble is another I could see being in the overrated column because the greens are just crappy as all get out. No championship should ever be decided by a lucky bounce off crappy poa.

 

 

 

we can agree to disagree. Hope you are feeling better buddy. take care.

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Whoever said Oakmont...I'm with Richard...GTFOH...I will bet good money you have never played the course and until then not sure how you could make such an asinine statement. Having played it countless times it is day in day out the hardest test in golf. It IS what major championship golf was meant to be. Just shaking my head at some people. Wow.

 

Greg- Man I am with you. I have playc.f. 'd cbc''d xXxX xXxXcbc'' vCard vCard'ecv cv'' cv''''''dxXxX Royal Aberdeen about 10 times and if it wasn't for the fact that it would be nearly impossible for spectators to watch the golf and there is no driving range it would be the best Open championship course in the Rota.

 

In my opinion the most overrated course that hosts majors would have to be Pinehurst No.2. My Dad, brothers and I were the first foursome off the day they re-opened it when Crenshaw renovated it and I was wildly unimpressed with all 18 holes. I mean it's a decent golf course but a few other courses in that system are much better. No. 2 was just boring. I'm sure in championship form it would present a challenge but how many of us get to see courses in that shape day in day out unless you are member at Oakmont

Bro, the easy thing to do is keep my mouth shut and let you post a positive post regarding mine, but medicated or not, I cannot do that. I obviously did not make myself clear.

 

Apologies to all, especially Kirk and Bruin!

 

I think Oakmont is overrated

 

Yes, it is a beast-

 

Though, so would a lot of 7200+ yard tracks be if ya grew the rough to 6-7" and ran huge sloped greens at 15+

 

I've Played it in US Open condition and in "regular" condition, and though I do not have a barometer for measurement regarding how it stacks up to other Championship tracks in "Major" mode, as I have only Played Merion, PH #2 and Congressional in such conditions, all I will say is that the members s*** themselves, literally, when it rains Open week.

 

Why is that????

 

It rains during Open week at Merion and it doesn't Play appreciatively easier. Nor does #2. Obviously any course wet allows one to fire at pins however Oakmont is just another 7200+ yard track with 5-7" rough when it rains.

 

When we co-hosted the 2003 US Am with Oakmont, and I realize that it was not the US Open, however our place Played .58 stroke easier than Oakmont at 6894yds. Ours is a traditional eastern course with the trees, narrow fairways, heavy rough if we so desire(it was 4-6") and sloped tiered greens.

 

It is not Oakmont.

 

It will punish you as a Player however it will not bring you to your knees like Oakmont can.

 

Though as I said, 7200yds+, 5-7" rough and 15+ on the stimp is tough anywhere.

 

Put the rough at 4-6"(The USGA swears that in 2007 it measured 8-9" half way through second cut. The bois just laughed and said "quit cryin and let em Play," LMAO) and see how they do.

 

Yes, I believe that it is one of the top 5-10 tracks in the country, though not one of the top 5.

 

Maybe it's because I've Played it to the extent that I know the course, I know where and when to "go for it" and what is a "sucker's shot" and how to take what my game and the course give me.

 

Make no mistake, it's a beast however I just can't shake sitting in Open/USGA Committee meetings and all the Oakmont bois could talk about was the weather report because their greatest fear is rain to soften the course.

 

I believe that 1973 is never far from their thoughts when the rains hit, however you are also talking about one of arguably THE 3-4 greatest mid/long iron Players of all time getting hot that day.

My thing is, the truly Greatest tracks, the weather doesn't matter.

 

You don't need 7200+ yards, 15+ on the stimp and 6-7" of rough to make it a test.

 

Cut the rough at 4-6, run the greens at 12-13 and see what the bois could do....

 

LMFAO, yea, right......

 

S***, with those markers, there are a lot of tracks that would be a b****, lol

 

Maybe it's me, haha

 

Anyhoo, sorry for the misunderstanding and as I'm already running a fever, I'm not putting my flame retardent suit on, lol.

 

Have a great holiday BroMeisters :)

 

All The Best,

Richard

 

 

Richard I could never flame you bro!!!

 

I respect your extremely credible critique of OCC and it is a valid critique. The softening of the course from rain is certainly it's chink in the armor...a big chink at that. my only rebuttal is that knowing that Fownes designed it to be a championship course it is hard to throw it in the overrated for a major category for me seeing how it was specifically designed to host big tourneys. In defense of your club and many in that area, the 'burgh just has a wonderful DNA for having extremely difficult and challenging but fair golf courses. I as well took the history of the club and it's list of winners there. There are many courses that need the rough and greens at insane speeds to make them tough. Even if oakmont mowed the rough down it is still a tough track with the narrowness of the fairways, the deep bunkers, the long par 3's, drivable par 4, the church pews...

 

I've played Oak Hill in tournament conditions and man alive that course is a beast as well. WF as well. I think the world of majors could stand to bring in some new blood to show what else is out there. Players learn courses and it becomes target golf for them. PH #2's only defense to me is the domed greens but if they are soft and wet and the greens slow down it's not a tough track at all. Pebble is another I could see being in the overrated column because the greens are just crappy as all get out. No championship should ever be decided by a lucky bounce off crappy poa.

 

 

 

we can agree to disagree. Hope you are feeling better buddy. take care.

Excellent post Bro!!

 

The other thing is and you can appreciate it because you've Played Oakmont and that us that there is very very little difference in its day to day condition and "Major Made."

 

How many tracks routinely play 4-5" rough, 14 on the stimp with pins on slopes~

 

That run AWAY from the fairway..

 

In the spring, in May before this year's Open. Jason Day was on town to see his agent, decided to Play, went over and had a 74. He couldn't believe that a pin would be placed on a slope running away from the fairway for members in to middle of the week.

 

That's another thing.

 

I've been a guest at a lot of clubs over the years and Oakmont's members are different. Masochistic has been thrown around and I would agree. They want to Play that course in Tourney condition every day.

 

My advice if you Play it for the first time is do not b**** or moan about how tough or unfair it is, because the members Play that every day as Kirk can attest to.

 

Just smile, thank your host and take your a** whippin like a man, lolol.

 

As I've thought about this and thought about Jason's round earlier thus year, I was wrong.

 

How many courses could one of the top 2-3 Players show up, Play and be 4 over on a typical mid week set-up?

 

I think that I just miss the trees and the "old" Oakmont and am being a b****, lol. Haha,Maddie called me that last night.

 

LMAO, my nickname should be "Gumby."

 

Take care Bro and gave a great day!!

 

My Best,

Richard

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St. Andrews for me, I mean I get the history aspect but its a pretty boring course.

 

It is far from boring to play.

 

The more one plays St Andrews, the more one comes to respect it. It looks boring on TV. So what? Many of the very best players have come to recognize its charm and character.

 

But it takes more than a couple rounds for most.

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St. Andrews for me, I mean I get the history aspect but its a pretty boring course.

 

It is far from boring to play.

 

The more one plays St Andrews, the more one comes to respect it. It looks boring on TV. So what? Many of the very best players have come to recognize its charm and character.

 

But it takes more than a couple rounds for most.

 

I thought I would find it interesting and that I would appreciate the history. What I found was that I loved the golf course. It was a blast.

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St. Andrews for me, I mean I get the history aspect but its a pretty boring course.

 

It is far from boring to play.

 

The more one plays St Andrews, the more one comes to respect it. It looks boring on TV. So what? Many of the very best players have come to recognize its charm and character.

 

But it takes more than a couple rounds for most.

Ive never played it or visited it but I think it id enjoy it a lot. I see a lot of variety and interesting shot choices.

 

Off top of my head, 1 has the target golf.kind of approach with the creek abutting the putting surface, 17 road hole is unique as memorable and challenging as you'll find anywhere, and I like the drivable 18th tee too with the valley of sin.

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When they first played there I would have probably nominated Valhalla (Whistling hadn't been open then). But I think over time the course has earned it's stripes as a quality major venue

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I was completely underwhelmed by Valhalla.

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I was completely underwhelmed by Valhalla.

Nicklaus courses are for the most part not my cup of tea

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Whoever said Oakmont...I'm with Richard...GTFOH...I will bet good money you have never played the course and until then not sure how you could make such an asinine statement. Having played it countless times it is day in day out the hardest test in golf. It IS what major championship golf was meant to be. Just shaking my head at some people. Wow.

 

Greg- Man I am with you. I have played Royal Aberdeen about 10 times and if it wasn't for the fact that it would be nearly impossible for spectators to watch the golf and there is no driving range it would be the best Open championship course in the Rota.

 

In my opinion the most overrated course that hosts majors would have to be Pinehurst No.2. My Dad, brothers and I were the first foursome off the day they re-opened it when Crenshaw renovated it and I was wildly unimpressed with all 18 holes. I mean it's a decent golf course but a few other courses in that system are much better. No. 2 was just boring. I'm sure in championship form it would present a challenge but how many of us get to see courses in that shape day in day out unless you are member at Oakmont

 

Not having a driving range is not a blocking issue to host the Open, Carnoustie doesn't have any ;)

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Pebble Beach great course for the average golfer and a bucket list course. But with no wind it is a pitch and putt course for pros. As historic as it is to win a US Open at Pebble, the course is to short for todays game and majors. Let them play that At&t pro-am, but as hard as it is time might have passed for men's major golf.

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Pebble Beach great course for the average golfer and a bucket list course. But with no wind it is a pitch and putt course for pros. As historic as it is to win a US Open at Pebble, the course is to short for todays game and majors. Let them play that At&t pro-am, but as hard as it is time might have passed for men's major golf.

A lot of courses can become "pitch & putts" with no wind, including pretty much all Open rota courses, Kiawah, Whistling, etc.

 

The last US Open at Pebble was won at E.

Other than Tiger's dominance in 2000, +2, -6, -6, -3, and E have won.

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