Modus 105 vs Modus 120. Differences other than weight?

[Tzoid]

Good information on the video but man...Total snooze fest. Insomniacs would probably doze off watching this :)

 

I totally agree.... Nice guys and knowledgeable but my goodness neither must have a heartbeat above 50.

[Lionstar]

I have asked before but don't remember an answer. Is the Modus 120 an ascending weight or constant weight shaft?

[MJisGOAT]

I have asked before but don't remember an answer. Is the Modus 120 an ascending weight or constant weight shaft?

 

Constant weight

 

http://nipponshaft.com/product/steel_modus_120.php

[MJisGOAT]

I think the two shafts are discernibly different. I just had some 120s installed and can't really get a feel for them; it normally takes a few weeks/months to really get in the groove with a major equipment change (for me).

 

I like the modus 125s much better than either the 105/120. I also prefer the SPB over anything Modus. I for one like the feel of DG and feel the SPB is the most similar feel to DG.

 

In my personal opinion/preference I'd rate them as SPB>125>105>120 (haven't tested the 130). It baffles me how most DG players end up fitting the 120s. Cause I see/feel nothing similar to DG.

[Tzoid]

Modus 120 = Soft Butt , Medium Mid section and Stiff Tip..... The chicks love when I talk like that :)

[GMR2iron]

I plan on testing the 105 and 120 lines in the near future. Does anyone match similar shaft profiles of their irons and driver? I know there any many different aspects of this (weight, swing, tempo, release, etc.). I am thinking that the 105 would be similar to the Matrix Red Tie (mid launch/spin). Anyone else have similar thoughts or observations?

You might be on to something. I use the 105's in my 745/945 combo irons, and Red Ties in both my 3 wood and 18* hybrid.....Black Tie in driver,though....

[dunn]

I too am " shaft sensitive" and I find the Modus 120 to maybe be the best steel shaft I've ever tried. I was hoping for the regular flex but then again the stiff felt great. One soft step down should be fine for me.

I softstepped mine and didn't notice anything

[MJisGOAT]

What kind of divots do you modus 120 players typically make?

 

The 120s feel head heavy due to that stiff tip (to me) and I have a tendency to stab the club in the ground. It's probably the most unorthodox feeling shaft I've tried; nearly impossible to flight the ball with the 120 (for me).

 

 

[otw]

What kind of divots do you modus 120 players typically make?

 

The 120s feel head heavy due to that stiff tip (to me) and I have a tendency to stab the club in the ground. It's probably the most unorthodox feeling shaft I've tried; nearly impossible to flight the ball with the 120 (for me).

I have been playing this shaft since first introduced at PGA show . At that time was told it was for late release players by the rep and since then that has been revised by the company. Coming from DG S 300 / KBS 120 found 2 things about Mod 120. Carried a few yds longer and wind had less effect on iron shots.

 

Divots about 6 to 7 inch long and medium depth. Had Mizuno put these in MP 69 irons when that model was first released. Second set jpx 900 Forged. Since the cut shafts weigh in at about 104 grams I add 6 grams of tape to the shaft below the grip. has no effect on S Weight but puts some extra weight in grip end since so much is removed when trimming to length. Anyone that has tried my irons regardless of age turn their heads very quickly to ask about then. Fortunately flighting them hasn't presented a problem yet.

[MJisGOAT]

Good feedback! I launch the 120 high, but doesn't seem to be affected by the elements that much. My issue with the shaft is the nonuniform feel of the shaft; especially with touch/feel shots with the scoring clubs. It kinda feels like an orange whip training aid (exaggerated). The feedback with the shaft is unique as well; it feels like slight thin, heel, toe shots are much more discernible than the previous Modus shafts I've used.

 

Being a fan of the dg shafts, I don't see similar characteristics between the two. The dg has a more fluid uniform feel compared to the concentrated ill-balanced feel of the 120. I've only played 3 rounds and a couple hundred balls with them, but I'm reluctant to endorse the shaft at this point.

[ws6]

Good thread.

 

I am going to have to try the 105s. I really like True Temper Tour Concepts and SPB. The 105 sounds like a better fit for me than the 120.

[onafriday]

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[TylerJ89]

I just reshafted my i200’s with the Modus 120S after playing the 105S for the last 3 years. I have 2 rounds under my belt with the 120S and I have to agree, they definitely launch higher than the 105’s. They also feel a little stiffer to me. I had a tendency to miss to the left side of the course with the 105’s, but with the 120’s, that was no longer. I have been having a little trouble turning them over and have been missing a little right. It will take a couple more rounds to get used to, but I like them a lot. Definitely a little heavier, but not anything drastic. I feel I’ll have a lot better control with these. Really looking forward to my next round!

[fillwelix]

Love the 120s, brought the flight and spin up for me

[GolfChannel]

I love the 120’s, they are truly special iron shafts. The 105’s are “meh” after the 120’s which are butter with tight dispersion.

[Howard_Jones]

Nippon is of the few companies who offers the Energy Inertia profile on their web, and this contains all Modus models so you get to see where the difference is between them. Adding both EI profile and launch pattern here for the record.

 

 

 

 

[GolfChannel]

> @"Howard Jones" said:

> Nippon is of the few companies who offers the Energy Inertia profile on their web, and this contains all Modus models so you get to see where the difference is between them. Adding both EI profile and launch pattern here for the record.

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Okay, what is an energy inertia profile for the layman?

[Howard_Jones]

For short, the shaft flex is measured inch by inch tip to butt so we can see and compare where one shaft is stiffer or softer than the other. If you look into Russ Rydens Golf Shaft reviews, its the same thing, so is specs from Tom Wishons shaft profile software, with the difference that Tom uses 5 inch between measure points instead on 1 inch as a full EI profile.

As graphs , higher the line goes, stiffer that point is, Tip is left side, butt is the right side.

 

When we look at 105 vs 120, we get to see that they are about equal from butt to the middle, then 120 becomes way weaker, (causing the higher launch), and both end up about equal at the very tip end.

 

130 is stiffer over all, but since tip side ends down at about the same as the others, "Tip to butt deflection ratio" becomes higher on 130, so its the highest launching of them. Tip to butt deflection ratio is "the relative" difference tip vs butt, (130 is stiff butt, weak tip - relative to the others when we compare them.

 

 

if you look into Hirekos DFSI you can compare T/B ratio of 2 models as numbers to see whats the highest launching of them, example DG X100 vs PX 6.5 irons... PX is stiffer overall, but just like Modus 130, its tip to butt deflection is higher than DG = higher launch, even is its stiffer....So, its not always a "soft tip" who makes a higher launching profile, the designer can simply stiffen butt side to tweak T/B ratio so tip become relative weaker compared to butt side, that forces bending to happen closer to the tip

[Doublebuck]

> @MJisGOAT said:

> Good feedback! I launch the 120 high, but doesn't seem to be affected by the elements that much. My issue with the shaft is the nonuniform feel of the shaft; especially with touch/feel shots with the scoring clubs. It kinda feels like an orange whip training aid (exaggerated). The feedback with the shaft is unique as well; it feels like slight thin, heel, toe shots are much more discernible than the previous Modus shafts I've used.

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> Being a fan of the dg shafts, I don't see similar characteristics between the two. The dg has a more fluid uniform feel compared to the concentrated ill-balanced feel of the 120. I've only played 3 rounds and a couple hundred balls with them, but I'm reluctant to endorse the shaft at this point.

 

Nothing like American Fork and Hoe.

[Stuart_G]

Well, very minor correction. Trivial to most. "energy inertia" isn't really an accurate description or name. At least not from any source I've ever studied (in english).

 

E is the elastic modulus - a material property that describes how much elastic deformation occurs under stress.

I is the second moment of area or the centroidal moment of inertia - the influence of the cross sectional shape and mass distribution.

 

When multiplied together they are one of the core representation of the structural stiffness in beam theory. Sometimes called the 'flexural rigidity' but mostly just referred to by saying the two letters.

[drscott266]

Reviving this... I tried the 105’s in two different sets of irons and didn’t like them at all. Hit them alright but didn’t see what the fuss was. Got some wedges with the 125’s in them and was blown away by the feel. Flight seems good too, but it’s a wedge so hard to tell. Currently playing DG105 in irons and they work but I miss the Nippon feel. Would the 120 be a good possible iron shaft? 125’s would be hard to find in most brands, but 120 seems readily available... I have swung them a few times but never extensively. Who typically sees good results with them? The 105’s just felt too light compared to the DG105 swing weight, so I am thinking more weight would work for me. I hope my question makes sense, the 120’s seem polarizing but would it be worth me trying or would the feel just not be even be close to the 125?

[otw]

I was at the Mizuno experience in Atlanta last month. Normally use Modus 120s, Used 105X which is only 2 grams lighter than 120s. the 105 was 5 yds longer carry for the 3 test heads than the 120s and all the suggested shafts. Their fitter was a bit perplexed since the 105 wasn't even a suggested shaft. Good luck in the search.

[Howard_Jones]

Try to add lead tape on the underside of the shaft to equalize the weight difference, then you can isolate if its weight alone, or if the profile should be another. Weight change the way we swing the club and by that access to the ball , and its only one way to find out whats good for you and thats testing.

[DaveMac]

Just to add that the 125 is the big brother of the 105, Nippon’s take on Project X. The 120 is Nippon’s take on the Dynamic Gold profile. Looks like Mizuno have added the 125 in S and X to their up charge options (~$25 per club).

[drscott266]

I noticed that the 120 or the 105 seem to be most common Modus shafts available, but the 125 is very hard to find in a full set. I got the Slate Blue Vokeys that came with that 125 and was blown away by feel at impact. The 105's i had in a couple sets felt super light and kinda brittle. Never really played with a 120 but the weight at least seems ideal for me, just heard so many people hate it seems weird. I was fit into my P790's for either stock DG105 or C taper lite, didnt much like how hard I had to go at C Taper Lite to get it work but fitting showed same results on full out swings. Looking for that modus feel in a heavier weight than the 105 i guess which may not be possible

[littled1212]

If I play PX 6.0, and wanted to switch to the 105's, would I go with 105X? Thanks

[onafriday]

I just swapped the 120s in my P790s for 105s after a checking out a PXG demo event at an outdoor range. Those Gen 3’s are legit.

120 vs 105 are pretty different. Nothing too crazy. I’m a 4 if that matters. I hit the 105s with better dispersion and a little lower. I do prefer pretty stiff tips in all my clubs. I’m a whiteboard guy

These fit the bill nicely.

Yes, they are light - but the x flex holds its line quite well. I’m about 108 or so driver SS. These handle me fine.

The 120s are nice too- just a little too squirrelly for me, dispersion wise. While lighter, the 105s feel more stout and more penetrating.

 

[ob1soccer]

I actually found after extensive testing that the 105s and the 120s are very different, I loved the 105 and hated the 120. For me, i actually liked the 130 better then the 120. I ordered two 7 irons with three different shafts and did my demo on the golf course. I ended up with 105s in my Srixon 765 and they are just awesome

[OspreyCI]

On 11/6/2016 at 9:18 PM, avrag said:

The funny thing is, if you just compare them in theory (by the numbers, which have been provided by Tom Wishon in numerous threads), the Modus3 120S has almost exactly the same frequency profile as the DG R300. The same is true for the 105S, except that the tip is a lot softer, more similar to the 950GH S.

I haven't tried either, so I have to take the personal experiences of others. But the Modus3 120S intrigues me for exactly that reason. A shaft that has a profile very close to the DG R300, but at 114gr, as opposed to 127gr.

Reviving and old one.

 

Modus 120S is the same

profile as DGR300? So would the Elevate Tour R be similar to the Modus 120S?

[Nixhex524]

IDK... I get similar launch and flight from the 105 stiff as I do from the S300, obviously very different weights but the 120 stiff has a much softer butt and dispersion is not as good.  The 105 may be a touch light, but I don't get the elbow pain that the S300 sometimes leaves after a round.  Thats why I also gave the DG S300 120 a shot but no good for me at all which I was shocked by but thats why getting fit can be so important.  The 105 and 120 are very different, but really impressed overall with the 105, I just want to try the heavier 125 now!