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  • The Chicken ConnoisseurThe Chicken Connoisseur The Pengest Munch  3732Banned Posts: 3,732
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    There's also a front page story on this website with the name
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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff Montreal 28789Members Posts: 28,789
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    At the end of the day were not gonna say it. No matter how dumb it is.



    If you guys want to know more about why, tweet at callaway and ask them!



    We tried on the trip to ask, and they did not give us a detailed answer. We just had to give them pictures of our dogs, and their whereabouts, so they could execute them if we violated the contract.



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    Cobra King F9 w/Fujikura Atmos TS Black 7
    Cobra King F9 w/Matrix Black Tie 80
    Callaway Apex 20 w/Diamana D+ 95
    Ping G410 4-SW w/S300
    Callaway MD 2.0 60 PM grind w/S300
    Odyssey O-works Red Tank #7
  • PapaJohickPapaJohick ShortKnocker Bombs Charleston, SC 4590Members Posts: 4,590
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    Ok well back in track a little here. Macpea....



    You said the regular head was akward/didn't fit your eye. You and the fitter seemed to be lmworried about the low spin version along with your miss. You ended up with 8* as your setting. Did you try to go up at all in loft to possibly raise the spin a tad to help with your miss? If so, what happened to stay away? Did it spin too much at that point?
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    There's also a front page story on this website with the name
    Is this what you do? Find pointless things to question simply to be contradictory without providing anything relevant to the thread?
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    TM M1 3W; Aldila Rogue Silver 70X
    TM M2 3H; TaylorMade REAX 75S
    Srixon 765 4-PW; Modus Tour 120S
    Callaway MD Forged 50*, 54*, 60*; KBS Wedge 120
    GP Tour Wrap Grips on Irons/Wedges
    GP MCC 4 on Woods
    Bettinardi DASS BB0 w/ FIT Face[/font]
  • Doc420Doc420  2356Members Posts: 2,356
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    I'm sure they had to sign something. Everybody knew from the start of this trip they wouldn't be able to give specifics of new equipment, so let it go.
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  • misplacedtexan83misplacedtexan83  15589Members Posts: 15,589
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    Disney lovers know they were thinking the same thing
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    Callaway Epic Flash SZ *15 w/ UST VTS 70 S
    Callaway Epic Flash SZ *18 w/ UST VTS 70 S
    Callaway 19' Apex Pros 4-Pw/ UST Recoil 125 Protos F4 
    Callaway Tactical Wedges 50S & 54S & 58W w/ True Temper S200
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    Ok well back in track a little here. Macpea....



    You said the regular head was akward/didn't fit your eye. You and the fitter seemed to be lmworried about the low spin version along with your miss. You ended up with 8* as your setting. Did you try to go up at all in loft to possibly raise the spin a tad to help with your miss? If so, what happened to stay away? Did it spin too much at that point?




    I believe he said he's a high launch, low spin player and my guess is a higher loft would result in ballooning
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range  4890Sponsors Posts: 4,890
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    MtlJeff wrote:


    So just general question to guys reading, because we actually didn't discuss how we were going to roll this out once back (Hipcheck if you want to chime in)



    This thread has been a lot of pics and talking about the trip which was awesome. But first and foremost we want to get you guys feedback on the stuff we hit, particularly the new driver and woods, but also putters, wedges....irons with different shafts and feedback on that etc etc....



    I feel like that will get lost in here, and i am sure many of you have product related questions. I think all of us who were there don't want this to become us just making inside jokes about how awesome playing Torrey was or the like. We want to get you guys info on the products that is helpful or interesting



    Should we start individual threads in the equipment forums on our bag fittings that will be just devoted to that? Do you want to see that? (Is that OK Rob or would that be too many open ones?)




    Please! I was hoping I didn't have to read through 40 pages to find the data and product reviews! image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
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  • WaterboyWaterboy #TheWRX  1307Members Posts: 1,307
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    Schnee wrote:



    I didn't ask why YOU GUYS aren't saying it. Obviously they told you not to. I would do the same if told. I'm questioning why they themselves felt the need to do so




    Because they as a company want to control the release of their product line. Part of that is revealing the name.




    I believe they also have agreements with the major market golf sources (golf digest, golf, golfweek) to all release at an agreed time. If they tell those people specifically to not say anything about the name or post pictures then some golf forum is out there releasing all this info and posting pictures it makes a few people upset.
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    Twitter: @itsnotgriffin
    Site: www.thebottomgroove.com

    WITB:
    Callaway Big Bertha Epic 10.5
    Callaway BBA 5 Wood
    Callaway XR 7 Wood - Frankenstyle
    Apex Hybrid 23deg
    Apex Pro 5i-PW
    MD3 52, 56 W-Grind
    MD3 60 PM Grind
    Odyssey O-Works - #1/3T (putter commitment issues)
  • chickenpotpiechickenpotpie #TeamJetSpeed  8538Members Posts: 8,538
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    Part of this thread reminds me of conversations you have with a 4 year old. "Why is water wet?"



    "Because it is."



    "Why?"



    "That's dumb"



    "Yeah"



    "Why is water so dumb?"



    Argh....
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  • Sean2Sean2  30871Members Posts: 30,871
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    Hawkeye77 wrote:

    MtlJeff wrote:

    Hawkeye77 wrote:


    I haven't been able to read all the summaries posted, but quick question: can you share any impressions of Apex Pro and Apex cf 16 if you did any sampling of the irons, and curious if any current Vokey wedge users found any nuggets while testing any particular wedges?



    Thanks!




    I hit both those irons, I felt the apex was really soft for a bigger club, it's not like it's that massive though. But a soft feeling club.



    I actually thought the feel was better than the pro, I just liked the look of the pros better. The pros I hot a lot more, and for a smaller club I got really nice flight and better distance than my Mizunos.



    Sean ended up with the regular apex maybe he can chime in




    Thanks and would love Sean's input (I'm close to his vintage but not as smooth or sweet) or anyone else on that subject or wedge differences. I love the Legacy Blacks I picked up, and will likely sample the Apex when possible (or see what comes in the fall) and will be thinking of Callaway wedges as well.




    I'm neither smooth or sweet, but thanks anyway. :-)



    The CF 16's worked better for me. They both feel good...forged...but was more consistent with the CF 16's. The heads are smaller than my previous set, with a little less offset, and the sole seemed a bit narrower. They felt really solid.



    I loved the wedges...fantastic feel and performance, got some nice action around the greens. I'm not the one to ask about Vokey wedges...I never liked them. :-)



    I probably had the least "exotic" bag of anyone. No "exotic" shafts and my first iron is a 6-iron. All these fellows could play decent golf...I was probably the "average Joe" guy.
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  • Sean2Sean2  30871Members Posts: 30,871
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    Speaking for myself, I signed a non-disclosure agreement. No matter how I personally feel I will honor that agreement. Heck, I didn't need to sign anything. If they simply asked me not to discuss certain things I would have agreed not to discuss them.
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  • rymail00rymail00  6705Members Posts: 6,705
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    DavePelz4 wrote:

    QMany wrote:


    I got my Trackman report back. I will try to get a screen shot and post ASAP. But at first glance:



    PING G30 + 45.75" Alta 55 X fit at PING HQ:
    • 110.6 CHS, 166.4 BS, 1.50 SF, 12.8 launch, 2055 spin, 270.2 carry


    Callaway New 2017 Driver + varying 45" 80 X fit at ECPC:
    • 111.8 CHS, 166.9 BS, 1.49 SF, 12.5 launch, 1833 spin, 272.3 carry
    • 112.8 CHS, 169.7 BS, 1.50 SF, 10.2 launch, 2157 spin, 269.0 carry
    • 112.5 CHS, 169.7 BS, 1.51 SF, 12.2 launch, 2478 spin, 275.7 carry
    • 112.1 CHS, 167.6 BS, 1.49 SF, 11.6 launch, 3082 spin, 272.9 carry




    (EDIT: These are actual numbers taken with wind in and off the right. He also had normalized numbers listed on his screen. Flightscope Optimizer calculates the third New 2017 Driver at 291.9 carry.)




    The consistency in all of your numbers is very impressive! Explains why you shot 70 at Torrey and had the potential for an even lower round. Color me JEALOUS!




    +1



    I might of missed but did you guys post what setups you were fit into yet, or is that something that'll be posted when you receive your clubs?
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    Titleist 917 F3 15* D+ 80s
    Titleist 915H 21* D+ 90s
    Titleist 915H 24* D+ 90s
    Titleist AP2 718, 5-50* Steelfiber i95s
    Scratch TD DW 54* 58* KBS HiRev
    Odyssey Metal X Milled 330M (current gamer)
    Ping Scottsdale TR B60
    TP Mills Heritage 349g
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    So are these tour issue heads?
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  • Doc420Doc420  2356Members Posts: 2,356
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    rymail00 wrote:

    DavePelz4 wrote:

    QMany wrote:


    I got my Trackman report back. I will try to get a screen shot and post ASAP. But at first glance:



    PING G30 + 45.75" Alta 55 X fit at PING HQ:
    • 110.6 CHS, 166.4 BS, 1.50 SF, 12.8 launch, 2055 spin, 270.2 carry


    Callaway New 2017 Driver + varying 45" 80 X fit at ECPC:
    • 111.8 CHS, 166.9 BS, 1.49 SF, 12.5 launch, 1833 spin, 272.3 carry
    • 112.8 CHS, 169.7 BS, 1.50 SF, 10.2 launch, 2157 spin, 269.0 carry
    • 112.5 CHS, 169.7 BS, 1.51 SF, 12.2 launch, 2478 spin, 275.7 carry
    • 112.1 CHS, 167.6 BS, 1.49 SF, 11.6 launch, 3082 spin, 272.9 carry


    (EDIT: These are actual numbers taken with wind in and off the right. He also had normalized numbers listed on his screen. Flightscope Optimizer calculates the third New 2017 Driver at 291.9 carry.)




    The consistency in all of your numbers is very impressive! Explains why you shot 70 at Torrey and had the potential for an even lower round. Color me JEALOUS!




    +1



    I might of missed but did you guys post what setups you were fit into yet, or is that something that'll be posted when you receive your clubs?




    I think they brought their clubs home with them, I guess that's why they got the travel bags.
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  • J13J13 Dad golf  15817Members Posts: 15,817
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    Can't blame the WRX guys for adhering to the rules. I think Callaway withholding the name is pointless but really what does it matter? We all know the name and have the pictures so we don't really need anyone in this thread to violated an NDA for no reason.
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    Odyssey Stroke Lab Double Wide Flow Neck 35.5" (counter weight removed)
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  • WaterboyWaterboy #TheWRX  1307Members Posts: 1,307
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    [background=transparent]Amazing experience!!! Every single thing scheduled was first class and unexpected. Callaway staff count have been better and more accommodating. Thanks to the staff at Callway: Johnny, Scott, Tyler, Jason, Tyler, Sean, Nick, AJ, Chad, Harry, Chip and anyone I might have missed. It was a whirlwind of meeting people from the minute the event started. [/background]



    [background=transparent]Hope you guys like to read: [/background]



    [background=transparent]Little about my game:[/background]



    [background=transparent]I am sitting at a 7.7 index after starting the season as a 10. something. I made a solid effort to practice whenever possible. My office ha phenomenal practice facility about 3. Minutes from it and I am able to use that a few times a week during the season. It gets me out of the office for a bit which is a plus. Before children (BC) I was able to play multiple times a week and was hovering around a 5. After Children (AC), time reduced greatly but my wife gets that it's my thing and its what I do.[/background]



    [background=transparent]My strengths tend to bounce around on a weekly basis. Some weeks I drive the Ball well but my putting is rough. Other weeks. I can’t drive, but the wedge game seems to be on. Consistency is an issue, and it's probably what's keeping me from getting a few more points off my index.[/background]



    [background=transparent]I’ve kind of been a one trick pony for equipment. Since HS I’ve used the same brand of irons, same brand of drivers, same wedges. I’ve had a few stints with other manufactures, some. longer than others. One set of irons was way longer than it should have been only from the thought that I needed to try something different and get it to stick. That was a set of irons that I tried everything to get into my bag and stay there. Different shafts, different lengths I became obsessed with getting those irons to fit. This past summer I finally cut the cord on those. Since then I have gone back to a 10-year old of irons that always seem to feel right. That's where I stand today. I like to tinker with gear, but once I find something that works, I tend to stick with it. [/background]



    [background=transparent]Day Zero[/background]





    [background=transparent]Definitely dodged a bullet getting out of Chicago. Local weather has been calling for 8 - 12 inches of snow starting Saturday afternoon. Original flight was scheduled for Sunday AM. As flight day approached, it didn't look hopeful for a Sunday AM departure. We have been working with Callaway staff on getting our travel plans set up and Carol was more than helpful getting both mine and MtlJeff’s flight changed so we wouldn't miss the start of the trip. Am I disappointed that I had to fly out to San Diego a day early? I’ll let you all answer that. There has to be a few things that Jeff and I can do to kill time in San Diego, right??[/background]





    [background=transparent]Day One[/background]



    [background=transparent]Jeff, myself, Rob and Johnny from Callaway all go settled into the hotel at some point Saturday afternoon. We grabbed a little breakfast at the hotel before the started. The location of the hotel was across the street from the Pacific Ocean so after eating Rob and I were able to get a little fresh air and a walk along the beach. Awesome weather allowed us to kill an hour or so just taking in the scenery. After that I headed back to the room before meet up time and others started to arrive.[/background]



    [background=transparent]Between 12:30pm and 1:00 people started to show up. One by one we were finally able to put a face to each screen name. [/background]



    [background=transparent]The majority of us ended up hanging out until 4pm before scattering and getting ready for the events to kickoff.[/background]



    [background=transparent]Opening Ceremony:[/background]



    [background=transparent]5pm at the Ely Callaway Performance Center (ECPC)[/background]



    [background=transparent]Callaway staff gathered to greet us and start off the week right. (ADD who from Callaway). A bunch of finger foods, a Chinese food take out stand, sliders and cocktails. The end goal for the kickoff event was a chance to meet staff, the guys that planned the event, guys that will be fitting us, taking us on tours, showing us around and answering questions that come to mind. This was the night we were able to get fit for putters. All putters were available from the odyssey line to try but there was a strong attraction to the new 2017 putter line. [/background]



    [background=transparent]I was working with Nick who knew more about putter fitting then anyone could. He asked a few questions about what I use now and strengths and weakness in my putting. He then just wanted me to hit a few putts on their indoor putting green. The indoor putting green rolled at about 17 on the stimp meter, which was actually on purpose. The thought behind that was to emphasize what is happening immediately before and after impact and not what is going on at in the middle of the stroke.[/background]



    [background=transparent]I had thought I wanted to go the route of a mallet or 7-series head but what Nick had noticed was that the longer the putter was from front to back on the putter, the worse off I was. My alignment using that style putter was actually worse than if I used a blade style putter like a 1 Model or 2 model. My alignment started to worsen even when a 1W style putter and 2ball.[/background]



    [background=transparent]Nick and I decided on a 1 style cut down to 33 inches and bent a few degrees flat from the new 2017 putter line. I don’t get along well with the superstroke putter grip so I went with the leather stitch back grip. [/background]



    [background=transparent]After the fitting, staff had set up the indoor simulator for a long drive and straightest drive contest. Before or after the fitting, everyone got a chance to play in a small putting contest on the practice green. Winners received a few cool gifts that I will leave for them to talk about. [/background]



    [background=transparent]After that, it was back bus and back to the hotel to hang out by one of the fire pits and have a few drinks. People started to dwindle down as the night went on. Some even took naps next to the fire. Those that stayed up came up with the great idea of going to In-n-Out for a late night snack.[/background]



    [background=transparent]A delicious burger and some crappy fries later, we were ready to call it a night. The next morning, we were in for one of the greatest experiences of our lives.[/background]



    [background=transparent]Day Two:[/background]



    [background=transparent]Up and at it early was the story for day two. Fight some massive heart burn, eat breakfast at the hotel at 7am, load up the shuttle at 7:50 am and off to the ECPC for the morning.[/background]



    [background=transparent]When we got there, 5 trackmans were set up and all the golf head, shaft combos you could think of were in front of you. We were broken up into 2 groups of 5 guys. While the first group of 5 guys were outside getting fit, the other 5 were going from station talking to engineers, getting education on wedges, understanding the design of the new 2017 driver, fairway woods and putters.[/background]



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    [background=transparent]Our first stop was to talk and get educated on the face cup technology and understand how irons are designed, developed and tested. Then again refined, developed and retested[/background]



    [background=transparent]The talk we got more on the technical side, which was awesome since they weren't afraid to talk about material composition, why parts are included on the inside of the club. The pieces we don't see unless you take a saw to it. [/background]



    [background=transparent]After iron technical talk was done, we were brought outside for some “Wedgeucation” with Roger Cleveland and the new wedges. If you haven’t had a chance to see them, I believe there are a few pictures floating around on the forum. They look unreal. [/background]



    [background=transparent]I was fortunate enough to get a mini wedge lesson and some technique guidance from Roger Cleveland, which was amazing. I know it looks like in the picture I posted before that it looks like Roger is trying to take the wedge out of my hands and convince me to take up a different sport, but I promise he is showing me how to get more control on shots in. The 20-40 Yd. range. It was a complete eye opening experience.[/background]



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    [background=transparent]I'm in the salmon pants, Roger is trying to convince me that Tennis might be a better sport for me. [/background]



    [background=transparent]After Wedgeucation, it was time for a little putter talk. The 2017 putter that Odyssey is releasing is a really nice looking putter. A lot of the more common head shapes will be available from what I can remember. The insert being used provides such a soft feeling when impact is made, it’s very reminiscent of what it felt like when you would putt a balata ball. I missed a lot of the technical talk on the putters since I was still over at my wedge lesson. [/background]



    [background=transparent]After putter talk, it was time for some discussion on the new 2017 Drivers. The technology behind everything that went into the design of the head makes so much sense when you have a few guys from R&D break it down for you. Not only did Callaway develop a driver head that reduces energy loss during the collision they were also able to improve forgiveness and increase MOI of the head.[/background]



    [background=transparent]When you sit down and listen to the science behind what they did, you get a good understanding of how ball speed and forgiveness were improved.[/background]



    [background=transparent]BREAK TIME!!![/background]



    [background=transparent]15min break to get some snacks, talk to the guys that went through the fitting and watch Bram teach Roger Cleveland how to use the Shot Tracer App. I was able to see Jeff and Matt to see how their fitting went and what they saw. I was hopeful that I was going to get a piece of what they were able to see during the fitting process. [/background]



    [background=transparent]It was time to strap on the shoes and head down to the range for some TLC from my fitter. My fitter was Gerritt Pon. This guy was UNREAL when it came to throwing out a few ideas for what I could try and what I should stay away from. We started with what we entered the battle dome for: DRIVER.[/background]



    [background=transparent]First up was the driver that was currently in the bag before the trip started. [/background]

    [background=transparent]915D2 12.5 head, Aldilla Rouge Silver, 110MSI playing at 45 inches.[/background]



    [background=transparent]I hit about 5 - 8 of these and looked at numbers. Gerritt decided that we had enough to go off of.[/background]



    [background=transparent]After we got our baseline established, it was time to mess around with the new 2017 Driver. Gerritt recommended the Non-Low spin version of the head and I agreed with him. I’ve never been a high spinner of the ball so loft is necessary. [/background]



    [background=transparent]I’ve always been a big fan of Graphite Design shafts. I’ve always liked the feel and weighting of them. I mentioned that to Gerritt and he went and grabbed a few that he thought would work for me. First we started with a 60-gram TP in a stiff flex. Hit a few with those but Gerritt could tell that with that with my swing, his main goal was to try to slow down the low pull hook, which is my normal miss. I hit about 10 of those, before he wanted to put the TP-7 in a stiff flex in the driver. After a few of those and some small modifications to the settings we finally got some numbers we were looking for. [/background]



    [background=transparent]I was able to hit a few with the old driver to compare a couple, but none were able to keep up with the numbers I was getting with the new driver. This was a true validation to me since I was able to bookend the new driver with my original driver to make sure that swing speed wasn't just getting faster by getting more loose over time. [/background]



    [background=transparent]Over all I ended up gaining an average gain of 7mph ball speed, 11 yards of carry, and 12 yards total. [/background]



    [background=transparent]I was a little skeptical of the increase in ball speeds that I was going to see since I don’t have a swing speed of 100mph and ball speed hovers around 140 - 145 mph. One more thing I wanted to add is the sound is amazing. I think there are a few videos in the thread where you can hear it. The acoustics are top notch. [/background]



    [background=transparent]After we reached an agreement on the driver, we moved on to some irons. We wanted to try to fill the middle part of the bag with an iron set make up before moving onto woods since I have kind of an odd fairway wood makeup.[/background]



    [background=transparent]Current Irons are Titleist 695mb with Nippon 120 stiff shafts. I really like this combination since I can get the ball up with them, they fly a distance I am used to and the ball spins enough for me to hold greens. The one thing I was looking to improve on was a little bit of forgiveness. Gerritt had me hit a few to get a baseline, which I wasn’t able to get a picture of the results. Bummer.[/background]



    [background=transparent]In summary, I hit the 6 iron about 170 with about 4500-5000rpm spin and mid launch. I wanted to try two sets of irons to see how they would compare with what I had in the bag, the Apex Pro and also the Apex mb. Both irons have an appearance to me that I like looking at from address. We started hitting the Apex Pro with a project x shaft. I’ve never really liked how they felt and the weight of them. Garrett had recommended I try a lighter weight shaft to improve my launch and spin numbers. I was open to anything at this point but have always been interested in the steelfiber shafts. I know they run a little stiff to flex so he grabbed a variety of flex and weight. We started with the i95 in a regular flex and was able to get decent numbers. The drawback with this shaft was it felt kind of whippy and loose in the tip. We then moved on to the i95 in the stiff flex and WHAMMY! Magical results. Launch was what we were looking for, spin crept closer to 6000rpm and the flight and initial launch looked like what he was hoping for.[/background]



    [background=transparent]I mentioned that I had wanted to try the mb also, so he obliged and got a set for me to hit. Those didn’t work out for me as well as my existing 695mb or come anyway near the performance I was getting with the apex pro.[/background]



    [background=transparent]Apex Pro 5i – pw with the i95 shaft was declared the winner. No tipping, no soft stepping, just straight in with some MC+4 grips.[/background]



    [background=transparent]On to the top part of the bag - Fairways and Hybrids[/background]



    [background=transparent]We started trying to figure out how I wanted to configure the top of my bag. I currently use a 4hy, 7-wood and 3-wood. I tried out both the utility iron and a hybrid. After a few shots with the utility iron, we couldn’t get optimum numbers that would allow it to play closer to an actual 4-iron so we started messing around with the 4-hybrid. It took only a few swings to figure out that was what I needed in the bag. The 4-hybrid flies about 200-yards, launched high enough and spun enough to hit greens. Figuring out that we moved on to the wood make up. [/background]



    [background=transparent]I have a 3-wood in the bag but don’t hit it off the fairway since I struggle with getting the ball elevated. I’ve tried a few different shafts but none can get a flight characteristic that I liked seeing or would come close to holding a green. [/background]



    [background=transparent]To start we tried a 15deg just to see if what I was getting with my current set up was similar to what I was describing. It was. So we moved on to a 5 wood that was cranked up a little bit in the loft department. First was the new 2017 offering in the higher spin version. The launch and distance was what we were hoping for, but the draw bias on the head made Gerritt a little nervous. Unfortunately, the low spin versions of the 2017 fairway head weren’t available for fitting and hitting. No big deal, out came the 816 GBB Alpha and we were able to produce the numbers we were looking for in the 5-wood distance. [/background]



    [background=transparent]After the 5-wood was the fun part. As I mentioned before, I play a 7-wood. My friends think it’s because I really like head covers. First I hit the GBB hybrid but the problem I was having with that was its almost too long. Some shots would give me the numbers I wanted, others would be rockets and fly the distance of my 5-wood. Then I hit the 816 GBB Alpha for this gap and also got great results. I wanted something that was going to go in the 210 – 220 yd distance and this fit the bill.[/background]



    [background=transparent]This is when the really, really cool part came. Gerritt wanted to make me something. He had thrown out the idea of building me up an XR 7 wood head and bending it and adding some weight and to be honest, it sounded cool when he said he was going to do it, I just felt bad saying “yeah, why don’t you stay a little late and take a little time out of your day to build me, a basement dwelling, internet golf junky this club.” So we went with the GBB Alpha in the 22-degree loft.[/background]



    [background=transparent]Fast forward to dinner when we were sitting with some of the Callaway guys and just chatting. Tyler came up to me and was like, “Gerritt made you something special and he wants to know how you like it.” That was it. He didn’t tell me anything else. I show up at the course, bags all set up, everything looking sharp and the first thing I did was dug through my bag to find the Easter egg, and there it was. Exactly what Gerritt said he wanted to do and he just threw it in my bag. He took an XR FW head, cranked it open and added some loft, put in an MJ shaft, added some hot melt to the head, put some lead tape on the toe, and stuffed it in my bag. All I can say is missile launcher. The head feels so solid, sounds perfect and flies exactly where I need it to go. Bravo Gerritt. [/background]



    [background=transparent]I have an email into Gerritt to find out exactly what he did to the head. Stay tuned for that.[/background]



    [background=transparent]Just heard back: Normal 7 wood head, bent it 2 degrees flat, face angle a couple degrees open, 9 grams of glue in the toe, another 3 grams of lead tape. One of a kind.[/background]



    [background=transparent]Wedge Time![/background]



    [background=transparent]I currently use a 52-56-60 wedge set up.[/background]



    [background=transparent]We were running low on time since I could be the slowest hitter of the ball but we wanted to get some wedges fit for me. I told Gerritt that I really liked the MD4, and he quickly shot that idea down. He said the best fit for me was going to be the MD3 W sole and a PM grind in the 60. At first I was hesitant because I really wanted to hit the latest and greatest but I listened and took a variety of wedges with the W grind and went to work. This was my first wedge fitting on real grass and man does that make a world of difference.[/background]



    [background=transparent]First up was the MD3 in the 56, felt good, good turf interaction and a nice ball flight. I didn’t feel nervous of digging the club or clipping it a little thin for my 20-yd, 40-yd, 60-yd and 80-yd shots. Then I tried out the MD4 in 56, similar bounce. No good for me. Some digging, some thinning, not so good distance control since it was either coming out screaming or high on the face. [/background]



    [background=transparent]I went with the W grind in the 52 and 56 deg.[/background]



    [background=transparent]Up next was the 60. I thought maybe this would be the MD4 club that will fit me. Nope. Went with a 60 in the PM grind. The wider soul and additional bounce really makes it easy to hit out of all the bunkers I found myself in at Torrey and the rough I played out of. [/background]



    Side note: Balls!!



    So we were given a few of the Chromesoft and also the Proto Ball that Callaway will be releasing.



    I have never really messed around with the Callway ball until this trip. The ball is legit. I have been playing a B330S ball for the last few years and found that ball hard to beat. This Proto ball will now be something that I look for. Felt great off the driver, spun well with the irons and still didn't feel like I was putting a sponge on the greens.



    If you like checking out new balls, this will be one in the near future to give a try.



    [background=transparent]Stay tuned for my review of what happened after the fitting.[/background]
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    Callaway BBA 5 Wood
    Callaway XR 7 Wood - Frankenstyle
    Apex Hybrid 23deg
    Apex Pro 5i-PW
    MD3 52, 56 W-Grind
    MD3 60 PM Grind
    Odyssey O-Works - #1/3T (putter commitment issues)
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    I didn't ask why YOU GUYS aren't saying it. Obviously they told you not to. I would do the same if told. I'm questioning why they themselves felt the need to do so




    Well stop it! There are legit questions here and they are getting buried by you. Point's long been made, answer was obvious.



    Back to cool stuff about the equipment .......
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  • misplacedtexan83misplacedtexan83  15589Members Posts: 15,589
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    Waterboy...



    Did you say MD4?!?!



    Or were you talking about the MD forged coming out soon?
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    Waterboy...



    Did you say MD4?!?!



    Or were you talking about the MD forged coming out soon?




    Sorry meant forged.
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  • misplacedtexan83misplacedtexan83  15589Members Posts: 15,589
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    WaterBoy... Great review



    Sucks about the the new 2017 woods but it sounds like y'all got dialed in with some real winners.
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  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Countdown to The Masters! Iowa 18882ClubWRX Posts: 18,882
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    Holy crap Waterboy, that's one heck of a review!
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  • WaterboyWaterboy #TheWRX  1307Members Posts: 1,307
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    Hawkeye77 wrote:


    Holy crap Waterboy, that's one heck of a review!




    I got on a roll. It's kind of funny because writing is low on the things I like to do.



    WaterBoy... Great review



    Sucks about the the new 2017 woods but it sounds like y'all got dialed in with some real winners.




    I got an Easter egg with that 7 wood. I'm completely content with how things came out.
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    Callaway BBA 5 Wood
    Callaway XR 7 Wood - Frankenstyle
    Apex Hybrid 23deg
    Apex Pro 5i-PW
    MD3 52, 56 W-Grind
    MD3 60 PM Grind
    Odyssey O-Works - #1/3T (putter commitment issues)
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    Q and Grant on 18 tee box image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



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    Did anybody take any pics of the leading edges on the new wedges, or were you asked not to?
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  • boycer11boycer11  3543ClubWRX Posts: 3,543
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    Waterboy, great review. What was you 6 iron swing speed? Heard steelfibers play stuff and it looks like your driver swing speed was around 95. How would you compare the regular and stiff steelfiber?
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  • WaterboyWaterboy #TheWRX  1307Members Posts: 1,307
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    boycer11 wrote:


    Waterborne, great review. What was you 6 iron swing speed? Heard steelfibers play stuff and it looks like your driver swing speed was around 95. How would you compare the regular and stiff steelfiber?




    It hovers around 80-85 or so.



    I liked the regulars, but they really felt soft. I'm what Gerritt called a handle dragger so I have a late release. I would like to find out if the stiffness between the reg and stiff is similar to the jump from still to x stiff.



    I was nervous about going into the stiff and even thought about soft stepping but my fitter brought up that soft stepping something at this weight would make the shaft even lighter by having to cut more off the butt end.
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    Callaway BBA 5 Wood
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    Apex Pro 5i-PW
    MD3 52, 56 W-Grind
    MD3 60 PM Grind
    Odyssey O-Works - #1/3T (putter commitment issues)
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    Ok well back in track a little here. Macpea....



    You said the regular head was akward/didn't fit your eye. You and the fitter seemed to be lmworried about the low spin version along with your miss. You ended up with 8* as your setting. Did you try to go up at all in loft to possibly raise the spin a tad to help with your miss? If so, what happened to stay away? Did it spin too much at that point?




    The issue was I was launching an 8* head at 16*-17*. I add a lot of dynamic loft at impact so I hit it straight up in the sky. We tried the standard model at 9* right off the bat and I was getting close to 20* of launch. Spin for the most part stayed reasonable.
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    Doc420 wrote:


    Did anybody take any pics of the leading edges on the new wedges, or were you asked not to?




    From Wesley Bryan's WITB @ Safeway:



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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff Montreal 28789Members Posts: 28,789
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    One thing that we haven't really discussed here, was that we spent an hour talking with Chip Brewer in essentially a group session where we got to pepper him with questions. For me, this was really one of the most fun parts of the trip. He really seemed to have fun answering them, and seemed to do it honestly.



    I don't recall the full hour, but some of my takeaways:



    -Chip has created an atmosphere there of people who love golf, from the top on down. Everyone there seems to love golf and talking about it

    -The employees love Chip. There were 3-4 different guys we met with who, unprovoked, mentioned how great it's been since he got there

    -Chip mentioned caring about innovation mostly even more than cost, he will put money into R&D, he will let the engineers take chances even if it costs them more money. The heads of product line seemed to love this about him, they felt like they had very little restrictions.

    -He feels that tour presence is vital but they will not chase "count" totals. They want to have a staff of guys they like for various reasons, but they won't pay guys to win driver count totals, not their strategy

    -He spoke highly of PXG and thought they were a very interesting company. I don't get the impression he saw them as a real competitor in their space but maybe i'm wrong

    -I asked them about the changing retail market and if they thought about how to get clubs to consumers , and they basically said they were confident that they were pushing fitting well enough to be succesful in the pro shops too

    -They seemed actually a bit cognizant of that if this goes really well, it may be difficult to top it on the next release, as they think this really is a breakthrough. It did get mentioned that they understand the next product line might end up being seen as a letdown

    -I asked specifically about 2 year product cycles. They said one year put too much pressure on the engineers and didn't give enough time for feedback. I asked about doing 3 year cycles and if i recall the answer was that they also wanted to stay fresh

    -He talked proudly of the Xhot woods release, as that was one of the first under him i think. Apparently they delayed the launch because they didn't think they had it right the first time. One of the signs that they cared about the product and only bringing things to market they believed in



    Hmmmm, i'm trying to think of more. It was a really fun hour
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