Ryder Cup 2022 Funding Crisis in Italy

[Christosterone]

Wow...this is actually quite stunning...

Much more than the Olympics fiasco which never was actually in jeopardy...

This is a big deal...

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/golf/article-4208590/2022-Italian-Ryder-Cup-jeopardy-97m-funding-cut.html

 

-Chris

[ChillyDipper]

I can't believe a single tournament needs 83 million pounds in funding, unless it is going straight to certain people's pockets...

[CCTxGolf]

Wow. Wonder what the back up plan is. Especially after the Olympic bid has been withdrawn

[GeorgeHWB]

Switch the venue to the UK. Problem solved.

[Christosterone]

Switch the venue to the UK. Problem solved.

 

I would be fine with permanent venues....let's say St Andrews and Pebble Beach...

 

-Chris

[dciccoritti]

Pope needs a small renovation done in the Vatican.

 

He asks the German contractor, "How much?". German contractor says "$10,000".

 

Pope says "why so much?". German contractor says "$5,000 for labour and $5,000 for materials".

 

He asks the Polish contractor, "How much?". Polish contractor says "$20,000"

 

Pope says "why so much?". Polish contractor says "$10,000 for labour and $10,000 for materials".

 

He then asks the Italian contractor, "How much?". Italian contractor says "$30,000"

 

Pope says "why so much?". Italian contractor says "$10,000 for me, $10,000 for you, and $10,000 for the German contractor to do all the work".

 

 

I'm Canadian but my heritage is Italian ;-)

[MarkFromTheUK]

£13m to run the tournament, £70m for various bribes.

[Hawkeye77]

We'll take a forfeit!

[cwglum]

Switch the venue to the UK. Problem solved.

 

I would be fine with permanent venues....let's say St Andrews and Pebble Beach...

 

-Chris

 

How about the highest ratings in the history of golf ... Ryder Cup at Augusta National.

 

Crowd control would be taken care of, ANGC would put the kibash on idiots right quick.

Ryder Cup roars through the pine trees would be amazing.

[Hawkeye77]

Switch the venue to the UK. Problem solved.

 

I would be fine with permanent venues....let's say St Andrews and Pebble Beach...

 

-Chris

 

How about the highest ratings in the history of golf ... Ryder Cup at Augusta National.

 

Crowd control would be taken care of, ANGC would put the kibash on idiots right quick.

Ryder Cup roars through the pine trees would be amazing.

 

Never happen.

[Lacey Underall]

83 million pounds? Where is the PGA which makes a freaking fortune off this exhibition? Geez I should have gone into fraud/politics when I was younger. Sure does pay better.

[Santiago Golf]

Ryder Cup at Cal Club in San Francisco would be a great Ryder Cup venue

[Nic1972]

I can't believe a single tournament needs 83 million pounds in funding, unless it is going straight to certain people's pockets...

Most probably a tiny share of this amount would go in "certain people's pockets", as you say. But the majority would be invested in the infrastructure, as Marco Simone Golf Club is a bit outside Rome and the streets leading to the course have to be changed, i.e. enlarged etc. Also, even though the course is already existing, a lot of money would be needed to re-design it. On top, Marco Simone's club house is the biggest club house in Europe, if I am not mistaken, but in a very bad shape. So probably a few millions would be spent for its refurbishment.

[ChillyDipper]

I can't believe a single tournament needs 83 million pounds in funding, unless it is going straight to certain people's pockets...

Most probably a tiny share of this amount would go in "certain people's pockets", as you say. But the majority would be invested in the infrastructure, as Marco Simone Golf Club is a bit outside Rome and the streets leading to the course have to be changed, i.e. enlarged etc. Also, even though the course is already existing, a lot of money would be needed to re-design it. On top, Marco Simone's club house is the biggest club house in Europe, if I am not mistaken, but in a very bad shape. So probably a few millions would be spent for its refurbishment.

 

 

Sounds like this is a bad venue, then, in my opinion. Why bury so much money in a club that isn't willing or able to spend itself. What's the long term benefit? Don't tell me Sepp Blatter is running the Ryder Cup committee now.

[Nic1972]

Wow. Wonder what the back up plan is. Especially after the Olympic bid has been withdrawn

It seems that the Germans and the Austrians are ready to organise the 2022 Ryder Cup, if Italy struggles. Especially the Austrians, because they somehow hoped / expected that Italy would run into problems, they kept their organising committee together, after the event was given to Italy. Also all the sponsors are still supporting it, and they have an already existing course. It would be quite easy for them to take over. The Germans on the other hand would have to re-design the course near Berlin, hence they would need to know rather sooner than later.

 

Initially the Italian Open should have been organised in Rome from 2017 onwards, but it has been decided to organise it in Torino again. That was probably the first sign of an upcoming problem.

[VNutz]

5 years away, they'll figure it out...

 

[Nic1972]

I can't believe a single tournament needs 83 million pounds in funding, unless it is going straight to certain people's pockets...

Most probably a tiny share of this amount would go in "certain people's pockets", as you say. But the majority would be invested in the infrastructure, as Marco Simone Golf Club is a bit outside Rome and the streets leading to the course have to be changed, i.e. enlarged etc. Also, even though the course is already existing, a lot of money would be needed to re-design it. On top, Marco Simone's club house is the biggest club house in Europe, if I am not mistaken, but in a very bad shape. So probably a few millions would be spent for its refurbishment.

 

 

Sounds like this is a bad venue, then, in my opinion. Why bury so much money in a club that isn't willing or able to spend itself. What's the long term benefit? Don't tell me Sepp Blatter is running the Ryder Cup committee now.

Actually Rome wanted to organise the Olympics in 2024, and for this they needed a world class golf course anyhow. But the new major decided to withdraw the candidature, for financial reasons.

[ChillyDipper]

I can't believe a single tournament needs 83 million pounds in funding, unless it is going straight to certain people's pockets...

Most probably a tiny share of this amount would go in "certain people's pockets", as you say. But the majority would be invested in the infrastructure, as Marco Simone Golf Club is a bit outside Rome and the streets leading to the course have to be changed, i.e. enlarged etc. Also, even though the course is already existing, a lot of money would be needed to re-design it. On top, Marco Simone's club house is the biggest club house in Europe, if I am not mistaken, but in a very bad shape. So probably a few millions would be spent for its refurbishment.

 

 

Sounds like this is a bad venue, then, in my opinion. Why bury so much money in a club that isn't willing or able to spend itself. What's the long term benefit? Don't tell me Sepp Blatter is running the Ryder Cup committee now.

Actually Rome wanted to organise the Olympics in 2024, and for this they needed a world class golf course anyhow. But the new major decided to withdraw the candidature, for financial reasons.

 

Fair enough. I just don't want to see the Ryder Cup or Presidents cup or any golf tournament for that matter turn into something run a la FIFA or the IOC.

[Colonel_Steelhead]

5 years away, they'll figure it out...

 

 

Never underestimate the minds of those in control. I say they wont.

 

As for permanent locations, I like the prior idea of St. Andrews and Pebble Beach but add in a sort of rotation like the Open does and go to some place you dont see yearly events like Merion, Pinehurst etc etc

[rich13]

I see the story originated in the Daily Mail, for those unaware of this venerable publication, let's just say that most of it's opinions and views are somewhat to the right of Atilla The Hun and Genghis Khan, and it's sources are not the most reliable, to the extent that.......

"Wikipedia bans Daily Mail as 'unreliable' source" https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/wikipedia-bans-daily-mail-as-unreliable-source-for-website

[Dave230]

I see the story originated in the Daily Mail, for those unaware of this venerable publication, let's just say that most of it's opinions and views are somewhat to the right of Atilla The Hun and Genghis Khan, and it's sources are not the most reliable, to the extent that.......

"Wikipedia bans Daily Mail as 'unreliable' source" https://www.theguard...rce-for-website

 

 

It says that it's taken from Press Association sport, so it's a wire service that anyone can take, not originating from the Daily Mail. Phil Casey from Press Association is a pretty reliable source

[Short Pete]

The Italian bid for this Ryder Cup included a premium tournament on the Tour for every year leading up to the actual event with a 7 million Euro purse, with the added costs for a tournament that's 50 million alone. This tournament is in that Rolex Series now. Italy made the bid with money they didn't have at the time. The Italian government gave a guarantee for the money, since there wasn't enough sponsoring power at that time (and still isn't).

 

Italy was never the favourite in the bidding process, until 2 weeks before the end of the process. The RC committee changed the rules of the bid there, asking all the contestants to open their wallets and see what they can offer financially. Italy promised the biggest chunk of money and was chosen despite not knowing where that money would come from. The main goal of Ryder Cup Europe and the European Tour (and foremost commissioner Pelley) is money, money and more money. If Italy pulls out they have no one to blame but themselves. They try to make the European Tour big, and the Ryder Cup is one main tool for that.

[Bingo1976]

Maybe they should move it to Dubai - much better weather.

[GeorgeHWB]

If you need to do a major redesign on a course to be Ryder Cup worthy you should not be awarded the Ryder Cup to begin with.

 

We need to stop wasting the public's money on sports venues. Especially the events that are here and gone (Olympics, Ryder Cup, World Cup, etc.).

[Sinovius]

5 years away, they'll figure it out...

 

 

Never underestimate the minds of those in control. I say they wont.

 

As for permanent locations, I like the prior idea of St. Andrews and Pebble Beach but add in a sort of rotation like the Open does and go to some place you dont see yearly events like Merion, Pinehurst etc etc

 

Have to Include the Belfry in that rotation for the history. Thinking about it the Ryder cup has so much history you could rotate through old courses. Sadly its a bit more complicated for Europe as I can imagine the European tour would want to give it to different countries to keep them happy.

[duffer987]

Just take Sunningdale, for a semi-permanent Euro home course.

 

Easy access for players and out-of-town spectators with Heathrow and the other London airports.

Fantastic heathland track, could set it up really well for match play. Hosted Senior Men's Open Championship, so they have practice at the the logistics.

 

That said if the European Tour is using the Ryder Cup to fill their coffers, then they deserve any trouble they get, and I can see why clubs/courses would balk at the notion of hosting.

[EBannermanS]

The Ryder Cup should have a rota, just like the Open Championship does. Tried and true locations that have proven track records of holding successful events.

[dwjm3]

Just get the mob to fund it

[George1174]

83 million pounds? Where is the PGA which makes a freaking fortune off this exhibition? Geez I should have gone into fraud/politics when I was younger. Sure does pay better.

That's exactly what happens. The ET makes a loss in non-RC hosting years and has to make a huge profit every four years hosting the RC to keep the enterprise up and running.

[the bishop]

I can't believe a single tournament needs 83 million pounds in funding, unless it is going straight to certain people's pockets...

Most probably a tiny share of this amount would go in "certain people's pockets", as you say. But the majority would be invested in the infrastructure, as Marco Simone Golf Club is a bit outside Rome and the streets leading to the course have to be changed, i.e. enlarged etc. Also, even though the course is already existing, a lot of money would be needed to re-design it. On top, Marco Simone's club house is the biggest club house in Europe, if I am not mistaken, but in a very bad shape. So probably a few millions would be spent for its refurbishment.

But other than that that MF'er is tip-top!