Jump to content

Is the Golf Swing nothing more than a Baseball Swing...bent over..??


Parzinski

Recommended Posts

look at Hogan and Ted Williams...mirror images??
Hogan


Ted Williams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwogLVGtDa8...t=1&index=7


Looking at the clip of Hogan demonstrating his move...looks a lot like Williams...except in right handed...

Is the golf swing the same as a baseball swing...with a little more bend at the waist?
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 62
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Hogan

 

Ted Williams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwogLVGtDa8...t=1&index=7

 

 

Looking at the clip of Hogan demonstrating his move...looks a lot like Williams...except in right handed...

 

Is the golf swing the same as a baseball swing...with a little more bend at the waist?

 

No.

 

In the baseball swing, you're trying to throw the barrel of the bat out at the ball. You do the exact opposite with the golf swing. So if you're in a batting cage, try to feel like you are casting the bat and trying to hit a big banana slice.

 

Some of the movements are very similar, such as starting the downswing from the ground up, but they really are not the same stroke.

 

 

 

 

3JACK

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hogan

 

Ted Williams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwogLVGtDa8...t=1&index=7

 

 

Looking at the clip of Hogan demonstrating his move...looks a lot like Williams...except in right handed...

 

Is the golf swing the same as a baseball swing...with a little more bend at the waist?

 

No.

 

In the baseball swing, you're trying to throw the barrel of the bat out at the ball. You do the exact opposite with the golf swing. So if you're in a batting cage, try to feel like you are casting the bat and trying to hit a big banana slice.

 

Some of the movements are very similar, such as starting the downswing from the ground up, but they really are not the same stroke.

 

 

 

 

3JACK

 

Don't see any casting of the barrel here....

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hogan

 

Ted Williams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwogLVGtDa8...t=1&index=7

 

 

Looking at the clip of Hogan demonstrating his move...looks a lot like Williams...except in right handed...

 

Is the golf swing the same as a baseball swing...with a little more bend at the waist?

 

No.

 

In the baseball swing, you're trying to throw the barrel of the bat out at the ball. You do the exact opposite with the golf swing. So if you're in a batting cage, try to feel like you are casting the bat and trying to hit a big banana slice.

 

Some of the movements are very similar, such as starting the downswing from the ground up, but they really are not the same stroke.

 

 

 

 

3JACK

 

Don't see any casting of the barrel here....

 

 

 

awesome picture

what I notice in that and many good ball strikers is the extension and the hanging back a bit thru impact

Link to comment
Share on other sites

From what I've read I thought that batters are supposed to "lag" the bat because the more they can do that the easier it is to catch up to fast balls, or I should say harder for a fast ball to get past the batter. Even if you take it to the level of physics, it would make no sense that in baseball you would try to 'cast' the bat because you're just wasting energy.

 

I totally agree that its just a baseball swing bent over.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Don't see any casting of the barrel here....

 

 

 

You're not looking at it correctly. Williams obviously pivoted, but he's also throwing the barrel at the ball. The pivot in the baseball swing is much more pronounced (unless you're Bubba Watson), but Ted is definitely throwing the barrel of the bat at the ball. If he did this with the golf swing, he'd hit a big banana slice.

 

 

 

 

3JACK

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Most swings have to share common elements, as the body is constructed a specific way.

 

Baseball, tennis, badminton and racket ball all share some common elements.

 

Obviously the baseball and golf swing are attempting to accelerate the bat/club by swinging the arms and then the wrists to give the bat/ball the highest acceleration/velocity.

 

There are significant differences.

 

For baseball, there is the obvious difference of attempting to swing where the ball is. The swing is more explosive -- less time to decide where to swing and when. The bat is heavier and move difficult to bring around. One starts with bent elbows and the bat vertically positioned. The starting turn is smaller, again constrained by swing decision and timing. A good baseball swing has a relatively long period when the bat is "blocking" or moving flat along the estimated path of the pitched ball. This period is much longer than a golf swing contact time. Some of the velocity of the ball is the reflection of the pitch velocity. Hence why knuckle balls are not hit as far.

 

 

To hit a zero velocity ball, the batter switches to a fungo bat -- longer, lighter, narrower, which is often struck one handed, using a whipping motion, more similar to golf motion -- arms fully extended, etc. Generally the back swing is still smaller. The swing is often upward. Since the ball is moving slowly, typically up and down, and the throw is known, it is easier to find the right timing.

 

In addition, the bat has no "face". Partial or incomplete swings can redirect the ball into the field of play.

 

The golf swing does not need to be as explosive as one decides when to start the swing and can optimize the swing path. The golf club is lighter and depending on the club, longer than a bat. The goal is to present maximum acceleration at the moment of contact. You do not need any repositioning of the ball or make swing adjustments. The golf swing uses maximum extension of arm to increase the velocity / acceleration. Doing less is wasting potential energy.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hogan

 

Ted Williams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwogLVGtDa8...t=1&index=7

 

 

Looking at the clip of Hogan demonstrating his move...looks a lot like Williams...except in right handed...

 

Is the golf swing the same as a baseball swing...with a little more bend at the waist?

 

Similar in many ways. I have worked with batting instructors that say take the handle to the ball or hands to the ball let the barrel follow. I shared the Pure Ball Striker with Chili Davis at the 2008 FBR Open and I wanted to talk baseball he wanted to talk golf anyway Chili supports these concepts hands to the ball.

 

Mr. Hogan was a big fan of Ted and observed Mr. Williams hitting motion for many years and noticed the similarities.

 

Also, many local softball and baseball teams use the Pure Ball Striker. One fellow in a softball tournament went 26 for 28 in home runs.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

williams and hogan both used the same swing key --- clearing out the front hip.

 

not many have been able to match their level of genius in either sport.

Ping i525 7-UW 

G425 6 iron

Glide 2.0 Stealth 54 & 60
G410 21* 25* Tour 85
G410 13* & 16* Tour 75 

G425 LST 10.5 Tour 65

Older Scotty Del Mar
 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

This may sound silly at first but in the golf swing the ball is in the way as the club head travels in an arc from inside to online then back to inside. You dont try to hit at the ball as the club is on the target line for just a fraction of a second. In baseball you are trying to drive the ball forward on the target line back from where it came from. I learned to play baseball years before I learned golf and have had to retrain my mind to keep from swinging down the line and flipping at the golf ball in an effort to drive it at the target line. I think the body movements are similar except way more ponounced and down the line in baseball.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Similatities yes baseball played on a horizontal plane golf on a inclined plane. Ted williams could not hit one pitch low and outside his avg .186 on that type of pitch why it would require angled hinging to make contact. Rick Rhoden ex baseball player now on senior tour. Baseball players understand the pivot motion very well. There's hitters and swingers of the baseball swing as well.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

There is another interesting difference between hitting a golf ball with a golf club and a baseball with a bat. A golf shaft is not strong enough to apply any meaningful force at impact. However a baseball bat is (I would assume). So steroid enhanced forearms/wrists are quite helpful in hitting a baseball with a bat. Much less so in golf.

 

dave

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 6 years later...

David Ledbetter thinks there are enough similarities between the baseball swing and the golf swing that he made a video of a golf drill employing the baseball swing. Who are we to argue?

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc1kt6MASDY"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc1kt6MASDY[/url]

Driver Ping G425 MAX
Callaway Rogue 4 wood
Cleveland HALO 3 and 4
Titleist 2019 model T300, 5-P, 48, 53
SW/LW Titleist SM6 58*/8*
Putter  variety

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Don't know the answer to your question (I think they are very similar), but it reminds me of story about Sam Snead and Ted Williams arguing about whether hitting golf ball or baseball was more difficult. Teddy Ballgame said Sam had it easier because the ball wasn't moving. Sam told Ted baseball was easier because Ted din't have to play his foul balls.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

No, in fact the golf swing is neither like the baseball swing or hockey swing.

In fact it's not really a swing at all, but rather more of a "fling".

It's kinda funny but the closest thing to a golf swing I've seen recently is an "ice skaters jump and twirl".

Imagine trying to push off the ground and spinning, that's a good golf swing surprisingly.

When you do this the hips control the swing and everything else kinda clicks into place...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

They are definitely similar but not as much as you would think. I'm a baseball player at heart, played traveling ball for 10 years and golf and baseball swings are a bit different. I personally find hitting a 90 mph baseball easier than hitting a golf ball believe it or not. I would say the golf swing is more like a pitcher in baseball though, hints why most pitchers are damn good golfers as well. The golf swing is almost identical to a pitching motion, especially sidearm pitching.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Seriously, unless you were a really good baseball player, who cares? I don't really know how to swing a baseball bat proficiently, so even if the golf swing were like a baseball swing but bent over, why does it help? Seems like we are just adding another layer of compilation: we need to learn how to swing a baseball bat then transfer that to golf. Why not just learn to swing the golf club and forget baseball (unless, of course, you were a really good hitter in baseball).

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Macro mechanics you would think would be similar as the general motions have a similar objective of propelling an object with the body and tool.

However I think the small nuances and micro movements would differ when you get to the proficient levels of either of the 2 activities as you have different variables like club face angles and lofts, angle of attack etc.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think there are definitely a lot of similarities. It's pretty much the same "ground up" sequence of shift, hips, shoulders, arms etc. The language instructors use is a lot the same too, fire the hips, shallow the club/bat, don't cast/throw away bat/club lag, hit though the ball. Seems like so many great batters just smoke it off the tee right when they take up the game too.

This is kind of a perfect question for Monte Scheinblum really, would love hear what he thinks.

[size=2][i]"I see the distorted swings, the hurried rounds, and now the electric carts tae ruin the course and rob us of our exercise...we have gone off the mark, gone after the wrong things, forgotten what it's all about"[/i][/size]

[size=2]-Dr. Julian Sands, Golf in the Kingdom[/size]

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just went to watch the Ted Williams video and realized this thread was 6 years old :). Here's another clip, looks like the one in the OP was taken down

http://youtu.be/XPtLtFbk-1Q

[size=2][i]"I see the distorted swings, the hurried rounds, and now the electric carts tae ruin the course and rob us of our exercise...we have gone off the mark, gone after the wrong things, forgotten what it's all about"[/i][/size]

[size=2]-Dr. Julian Sands, Golf in the Kingdom[/size]

Link to comment
Share on other sites

A lot of the same intents and many of the same flaws develop when you get out of position.

The body is reacting to a different object, so it's not perfect.

All "tips" are welcome. Instruction not desired. 
 

 

The problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.

BERTRAND RUSSELL

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

No, in fact the golf swing is neither like the baseball swing or hockey swing.

 

In fact it's not really a swing at all, but rather more of a "fling".

 

It's kinda funny but the closest thing to a golf swing I've seen recently is an "ice skaters jump and twirl".

 

Imagine trying to push off the ground and spinning, that's a good golf swing surprisingly.

 

When you do this the hips control the swing and everything else kinda clicks into place...

 

 

5885105.jpg?324

 

hogan-nicklaus-at-impact.png

 

They look very similar to me.

 

Football, Soccer, Hockey, Lacrosse, baseball, and golf. They all have the same hip movement through the swing/throw/kick, if you really think about

 

I play hockey and golf growing up. There is similarity.

 

When pass in hockey, you use soft handess; similar to chipping in golf

When shoot in hockey, you fire the lower body; similar to golf

Pro Caddie & I teach golf

Driver: PXG 9* ; HZDRUS Handcrafted 63 6.0

Long Game: PXG 13*, PXG 16*; HZDRUS Handcrafted 83 6.5 (flip between the two)

Driving Iron: PXG 0311 4 iron bent 17.5*; ProForce VTS 100HX 

Hybrid: PXG Gen 1 19*; HZDRUS Handcrafted 100 6.5

Irons: NIKE CB 4-PW Raw finish ; Aldila RIP Tour SLT 115 Tour Stiff (.25 inch gapping)

Wedges: Titleist SM9 50*, 54*; True Temper DG S300 (36 inches)

L-Wedge: Custom 60*; KBS Tour Stiff (36 inches)

Putter: Scotty Cameron Studio Design #5 35 inches: Super Stroke GP Tour

Ball: ProV1x

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Mantle's golf swing and bb swing were very similar. X factor and shoulder throw after a lateral shift unweighted the club/bat. I saw MM play golf in the late 70's at the Roy Clark tourney in Broken Arrow, OK, and his golf swing looked like he was making a bb swing at a sinker in the dirt, but without lifting the left foot off the ground. In the 90's, his coach, Malcolm Smith, told me he swung the clubhead faster than his then current student, Sean Pfister, and told me he was with Mantle in 1980, when he became the only man, am or pro, to drive the 357 yd 10th hole at Southern Hills and he was using persimmon and a Titleist 100 balata, a record which stood til broken in 2007 PGA Championship with titanium and a hot ball.

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQNR-cPpAuA"]https://www.youtube....h?v=kQNR-cPpAuA[/url]

Here's the only vid of Mick's golf swing I can find, but remember, he died only a couple mos later, and this swing was made without a functioning liver.

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dj9U3umqBE"]https://www.youtube....h?v=6Dj9U3umqBE[/url]

Link to comment
Share on other sites

In golf,the ball is on the ground. To make it a baseball swing,you would need to be bent over at the hips more than 45 degrees which nobody does. Not even Hogan describes the golf swing as being like a baseball swing.

There is always going to be an up and down element to the golf swing in even the flattest of swings. In fact,there is a good argument that a more upright up and down swing is better because there is less arm rotation involved in squaring the face. The flatter your swing, the more you need to rotate the arms on the downswing to square the face and not everyone has this rotational skill. In baseball, there is no need for arm rotation because there is no need to square up a round bat.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 years later...

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Our picks

    • 2024 Valspar Championship WITB Photos (Thanks to bvmagic)- Discussion & Links to Photos
      This weeks WITB Pics are from member bvmagic (Brian). Brian's first event for WRX was in 2008 at Bayhill while in college. Thanks so much bv.
       
      Please put your comments or question on this thread. Links to all the threads are below...
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 31 replies
    • 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Matt (LFG) Every - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Sahith Theegala - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Cameron putters (and new "LD" grip) - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Bettinardi MB & CB irons - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Bettinardi API putter cover - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Swag API covers - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Golf Pride Reverse Taper grips - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 15 replies
    • 2024 Cognizant Classic - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #1
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #2
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #3
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #4
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Brandt Snedeker - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Max Greyserman - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Eric Cole - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Carl Yuan - WITb - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Russell Henley - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Justin Sun - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alex Noren - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Shane Lowry - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Taylor Montgomery - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jake Knapp (KnappTime_ltd) - WITB - - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Super Stoke Pistol Lock 1.0 & 2.0 grips - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      LA Golf new insert putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Garsen Quad Tour 15 grip - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Swag covers - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jacob Bridgeman's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Bud Cauley's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Ryo Hisatsune's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Chris Kirk - new black Callaway Apex CB irons and a few Odyssey putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alejandro Tosti's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 2 replies
    • 2024 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #3
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      • 22 replies
    • 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put and questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Monday #1
      2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Monday #2
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Ben Taylor - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Garrick Higgo - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Billy Horschel - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Justin Lower - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Lanto Griffin - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Bud Cauley - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Corbin Burnes (2021 NL Cy Young) - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Greyson Sigg - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Charley Hoffman - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Nico Echavarria - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Victor Perez - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Sami Valimaki - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Ryo Hisatsune - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
       
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Jake Knapp's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      New Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Tyler Duncan's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Greyson Sigg's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Sunjae Im's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Ping's Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Vincent Whaley's custom Cameron - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Odyssey Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Super Stroke custom grips - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Zac Blair's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Bettinardi Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
       
       
       
       
       
       

       
      • 12 replies

×
×
  • Create New...