PGA to begin blood testing in 2018.

[Roadking2003]

All this testing means is pro golfers will have to pay more to ensure they don't get caught, just like they do in every other sport.

 

Yes. It's a total waste. And a game too with the players trying to stay one step ahead of the authorities. The best illustration of how silly this is, read about the VJ deer antler fiasco.

[slimeone]

No. The line is quite clear. If you use a performance enhancing drug when you are healthy and not injured, you are trying to get an unfair advantage over your fellow competitors and some might call you a B.

 

Everything you eat or drink is performance enhancing.

 

Most PEDs are weird things you've never heard of that aren't properly researched like normal medicines and long term effects aren't known. They're dangerous when abused to the levels where there's actual performance enhancement.

 

They're just an ugly stain on sport.

There was a drug scandal in Australia a few years ago when a football coach has the entire team on a PED regime using all kinds of fringe chemicals. Apparently now one of the former players is suing the club because his daughter was born with some birth defects which might have been caused by the PEDS. Very sad and these are the kind of reasons why PEDS are bad.

[ConcentricDimples]

Since multiple people brought up JT, let's look at that. He is INCREDIBLY skinny, swings insanely-fast, and has had some odd gesticulations through the years.

 

He could be on stimulants, which (if he is, and I'm not saying he is) may be for a legitimate medical use. But they could still cause him to swing faster and he that skinny.

 

That brings up s different issue, if someone needs amphetamine therapy for intractable ADHD, that doesn't mean that it doesn't give them at advantage; it still makes them focus better, and increases psychomotor function, stamina, energy, etc, that could give someone an advantage.

[ConcentricDimples]

But since now in the PGA Tour there are urine tests (and always have been whatever testing the NCAA does), you wonder why some standout junior golfers winning a bunch of national junior tournaments at pro-level scores vanish; maybe they were taking a PED on questionable medical grounds, and couldn't sustain their good play without it.

 

 

True story: in college I was briefly prescribed a medicine on the banned list for an approved medical use. I went to the range on the weekend to mess around (first time hitting golf balls under the influence of this drug), and I hit a full medium bucket of six irons to a green 190 yards away, and about 20 feet uphill. Zero balls missed the green. At the time, a good six iron was 170...

 

And one wonders why I hit a whole bucket of six irons? That can be another side effect of certain PEDs (repetitive behavior). After the excitement of the first six iron, I couldn't stop.

 

Haven't touched the stuff since being on it a few months; it's not a great substance; quite unpleasant, actually.

 

 

I realized then PEDs could help a golfer. If it did that for me, imagine what it could do for a pro.

[Terry Gold]

I want PED's in sports. These are professionals, let them take what they want.

 

I have always found it kind of funny that athletes can get cortisone shots and be prescribed every which type of painkiller but something like hgh under a doctor's recommendation can't be used for recovery because it's "banned". Seems like a bizarre double standard to take. Professional sports leagues should be doing everything they can to help their players heal from injury, sports are more fun when superstars are healthy and performing.

 

**Internet high five**

 

No one has ever given me a satisfactory answer to this. It's all about weird moralizing and not actual logic.

 

Never *truly* understood the no PEDs in pro sports... Especially for golf. If I were on tour I'd juice up not to get jacked but in order to hit 2,000 balls in the morning and play 36 in the afternoon day after day after day after day after day after day... These guys taking some of dat special sauce is just fine with me.

 

Roids in football might not be a good thing because I'm concerned the NFL won't be around long term. Guys are so big and strong now that it will be difficult to prevent serious injuries without fundamentally changing the game. As roids relate to golf - juice up baby.

 

do we really need (or want) to know what meds guys are on or if they have smoked a little?

 

I have no interest in knowing. I've never had an interest in knowing in any sport to be honest.

 

The NFL is in danger of disappearing?

That's your concern? Really?

But you enjoy your juice and atrophied balls.

[new2g0lf]

All this testing means is pro golfers will have to pay more to ensure they don't get caught, just like they do in every other sport.

 

Yes. It's a total waste. And a game too with the players trying to stay one step ahead of the authorities. The best illustration of how silly this is, read about the VJ deer antler fiasco.

 

It's all fake, professional sports make it appear they are taking action, the players of the sports agree to the testing and then they all do what it takes to not get caught, all so they can say their sport is clean.

[ebrasmus21]

Terry Gold

 

 

 

cardoustie, on 20 June 2017 - 12:47 PM, said:

 

do we really need (or want) to know what meds guys are on or if they have smoked a little?

I have no interest in knowing. I've never had an interest in knowing in any sport to be honest.

 

The NFL is in danger of disappearing?

That's your concern? Really?

But you enjoy your juice and atrophied balls.

 

LOL. Good post bro, you really got me. Trigger warning next time please - I'm sensitive.

[paulshack]

Tiger was a pencil neck in college and look at him now. I wonder...

I agree dude 95% of men keep their college bodies for the rest of their life

 

 

[BeerPerHole]

I am naive. Are there a lot of peds in golf? I know juice is rampant as low as JC baseball, maybe high school football and baseball now (not sure). Many years ago I met a formal pro bodybuilder (paired w him for a round of golf) and he talked about how NBA players were juicing like crazy. I deal with a lot of old injuries from playing a lot of football and am still a gym rat. A former body builder I know was encouraging steroids as a method of dealing with the injuries. Played football into college and never touched the stuff...

 

But golf?...peds in golf?

[PuttingIsNotGolf]

I am naive. Are there a lot of peds in golf? I know juice is rampant as low as JC baseball, maybe high school football and baseball now (not sure). Many years ago I met a formal pro bodybuilder (paired w him for a round of golf) and he talked about how NBA players were juicing like crazy. I deal with a lot of old injuries from playing a lot of football and am still a gym rat. A former body builder I know was encouraging steroids as a method of dealing with the injuries. Played football into college and never touched the stuff...

 

But golf?...peds in golf?

 

There are people even using PEDs outside of sports, let alone competitive athletic environments - especially among the wealthy (countless disease therapies, longevity, injury prevention, cognitive enhancement, etc) Not a big leap to pro golfers using enhancing drugs. It's about the tour image and sponsorships, not the safety of the players or the "integrity of the game."

 

With the money these guys will throw at their game to be at the top, some form of highly nuanced supplement regimen has to come across the table at one time or another. If I were on tour with that kind of access, you betcha I would be squeezing every allowable/untested benefit into my routine as possible. This is excluding the "hulk smash" drugs since larger muscles don't really protect joints.

 

One day there will be a Shaolin-techie-biohacker golfer that dominates the field and then is accused of abusing meditation. Which might be a good thing if a meditation ban speeds up Jason Day's pace.

 

[new2g0lf]

I am naive. Are there a lot of peds in golf? I know juice is rampant as low as JC baseball, maybe high school football and baseball now (not sure). Many years ago I met a formal pro bodybuilder (paired w him for a round of golf) and he talked about how NBA players were juicing like crazy. I deal with a lot of old injuries from playing a lot of football and am still a gym rat. A former body builder I know was encouraging steroids as a method of dealing with the injuries. Played football into college and never touched the stuff...

 

But golf?...peds in golf?

 

As others have said, PED's aren't just about getting huge, they have recovery uses as well. If they are used a lot in golf I'd guess it's more for recovery than strength and size. Pro's hit a lot of golf balls every day it has to fatigue their muscles.