Oban Kiyoshi White vs Black

[Lloyd_Christmas29]

I plan to order an Oban shaft in my next driver because they feel great. A buddy of mine has a kiyoshi black 75 05 flex in his driver and I love it but its a little heavier than I like. I have heard many mixed opinions about these shafts. Some people say they are mid high lunch but from what I have found that is not the case with the black at least. Titleist has them as the lowest launching shafts they offer on their chart and I would like some honest opinions from people that have tried both side to side. I have been told the white is slightly lower launching so I was thinking of going with that in a 65 05 but with so many mixed reviews I am not really sure. Thanks for any input!

[VNutz]

I've not tried the black but I have played the white. The white was mid for me, perhaps a hair on the low side, the black is said to be the lowest launch/spin that Oban makes. If you like a 75 05 but want lighter give the 65 05 a shot.

[Russ757]

White mid plays stiff to flex. Smoooooth
Black low and truer to flex.. Not as smooth but far from boardy

[Lloyd_Christmas29]

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White mid plays stiff to flex. Smoooooth
Black low and truer to flex.. Not as smooth but far from boardy
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So the white is mid launch and plays stiff to flex while the black is lower launch but smoother. Correct?

[Russ757]

Imo yes..
Granted only used the black 8 in a fw and 90 in a hybrid

Hit the white in everything

[Spooky67]

I have played the White for a while, and I would not consider it a low launch shaft. My experience was mid to mid-high with low spin. Outstanding shaft and I agree with others that mention it playing stiff to flex, but very smooth.

[Redhill]

I've played the White off and on this past year and found it to be exceptionally smooth. The reason in my mind for that is a softer butt end and stiff tip. I liked the mid launch and low spin performance for me but it took me a while to adjust to the swing that produced the best results with it's bend profile.

[Spooky67]

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I've played the White off and on this past year and found it to be exceptionally smooth. The reason in my mind for that is a softer butt end and stiff tip. I liked the mid launch and low spin performance for me but it took me a while to adjust to the swing that produced the best results with it's bend profile.
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I had a hard time adjusting my swing to the White, I'm trying the Devotion for a bit as it seems "less smooth" than the KW, but I'm sure the White will make a return appearance at some point.

[Russ757]

Was it the 75 white? I put one in a fw and ended up with a sky mark on a beloved 3446. Couldn't get timing down w that shaft

[pitchinwedge]

Apologize for reviving an old thread...

 

Wondering because Titleist and TMag still have the White as one of the lowest launch/spin options. What's it most similar to and how's the White compare to some of the newer stuff? Tensei White, Diamana Ltd D+, Black Tie 60m4, Speeder Evo II & III, etc.?

[ShaftShack.com]

Hi Guys,

 

Already sent the OP a PM, but just so you know you can always take all the "guess work" out if these shaft inquires and just have ShaftShack.com send the demo shafts direct to your door for you to test in the real world! We have demos of Oban's complete line for both driver and 3-wood, along with a bunch of other premium level shafts from the top brands. Check us out! And if you have any questions, please drop us a line!

 

Best,

 

Phil

www.ShaftShack.com

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1-888-751-5127

[Wenz]

Hi Guys,

 

Already sent the OP a PM, but just so you know you can always take all the "guess work" out if these shaft inquires and just have ShaftShack.com send the demo shafts direct to your door for you to test in the real world! We have demos of Oban's complete line for both driver and 3-wood, along with a bunch of other premium level shafts from the top brands. Check us out! And if you have any questions, please drop us a line!

 

Best,

 

Phil

www.ShaftShack.com

[email protected]

1-888-751-5127

 

OP was from 2014.

[ShaftShack.com]

Apologize for reviving an old thread...

 

Wondering because Titleist and TMag still have the White as one of the lowest launch/spin options. What's it most similar to and how's the White compare to some of the newer stuff? Tensei White, Diamana Ltd D+, Black Tie 60m4, Speeder Evo II & III, etc.?

 

The Kiyoshi White is more mid launch/low spin and the Kiyoshi Black a low launch/low spin. If you're looking for a few other shafts with similar characteristics to the Black, I would recommend the Fujikura Motore Speeder Tour Spec, Speeder Evo Tour Spec, the Speeder Pro Tour Spec, Pro Tour Spec, the Mitsubishi W-Series and Kuro Kage XT, Graphite Design BB and m9003. The Oban definitely is legit and has a smooth feel and performance that is still very relevant today.

 

Hope that helps. We have not tested the Tensei White, Diamana Ltd D+, or Black Tie 60m4, but they are also in the category of low/low. The Speeder Evo II & III are counterbalanced and more mid/mid from what I remember.

[ShaftShack.com]

Hi Guys,

 

Already sent the OP a PM, but just so you know you can always take all the "guess work" out if these shaft inquires and just have ShaftShack.com send the demo shafts direct to your door for you to test in the real world! We have demos of Oban's complete line for both driver and 3-wood, along with a bunch of other premium level shafts from the top brands. Check us out! And if you have any questions, please drop us a line!

 

Best,

 

Phil

www.ShaftShack.com

[email protected]

1-888-751-5127

 

OP was from 2014.

 

Ha! Thanks :blink:

[pitchinwedge]

Haha, cool and thanks for the info. I just got the White but thought I'd poke around to see what folks thought. Glad to hear it's still relevant.

[dmeeksDC]

Haha, cool and thanks for the info. I just got the White but thought I'd poke around to see what folks thought. Glad to hear it's still relevant.

 

How are you liking the Kiyoshi white? Am considering the 65 white or purple for an M1 440 head. Thanks

[Smokey227]

Haha, cool and thanks for the info. I just got the White but thought I'd poke around to see what folks thought. Glad to hear it's still relevant.

 

How are you liking the Kiyoshi white? Am considering the 65 white or purple for an M1 440 head. Thanks

 

The white and the purple are very different profiles. The purple is quite stiff in the butt and gets softer through the profile. Mid/high launch. Nice kick but stable. The white is softer in the butt and gets stiffer through the profile. More like the profile of a whiteboard. Mid to mid/low launch and. The white feels stiffer to flex to me than the purple also.

[pitchinwedge]

How are you liking the Kiyoshi white? Am considering the 65 white or purple for an M1 440 head. Thanks

 

I didn't request it, but my White came tipped an inch. Was a giveaway so unfortunately no return policy for me.

 

Feels ultra smooth and super stable but, all in S-flex, this shaft plays stiffer than any other "stable" shaft in my current harem: Speeder 6.2, Kuro Kage Dual-Core, Tensei Pro White, D+ Ltd, and Regio Formula MB. The tipping is most likely a contributor, but I don't think it's the whole story.

 

For me, it launches higher and spins less than the Dual-Core in the 2017 M1 460. Also, this might be because of the weight of the head, but the balance of the club feels like it's maybe 1/2 of the way down the shaft. This set-up doesn't work for me but both the head and the shaft definitely have potential. Just not together. Pairing the White with a low-lofted moderate spin head might be ideal for me. Could bring a lot of driver models I've not considered into the mix.

[dmeeksDC]

You do see some players who typically play stiff shafts opting for the regular shaft in the Oban Kiyoshi Black and the White. I don't reallly know how much stiffness a 1-inch tip trim adds. A half-flex? A third? Less or more? And I don't know if it varies by shaft design. May be worth it for me to rent demos from shaft shack and just hit a bunch of them. They also have the Diamana BF now, which a lot of players like. The appeal of the Kiyoshi is its vaunted accuracy. Thanks for the info.

[pitchinwedge]

Oh.. accuracy...

 

For me, Tensei Pro White > Speeder 6.2 > Kiyoshi White > Dual Core

 

Obviously, YMMV.

[Mike Jamieson]

I use a Kiyoshi White 65 04 tipped an inch and no shaft can touch it for accuracy - the White 04 is roughly equal to the Black 05 from a "stiffness" feel standpoint in my experience

 

Have tried every shaft listed here and the straightest, smoothest, lowest and longest for me is the White 65 04 tipped an inch...(not even HZRDUS, 7.2 TS, ADDI7 or D+ beats it)

 

YMMV...but just a fantastic shaft

[fujiman.757]

I play kiyoshi white 65 04 in my M1 440 and it is the real deal accuracy and distance, but they do play stiff to flex compared to other manufacturers

[SBH9458]

Just my opinion....I have hit the Oban Black, Gold, Purple, White, Tour LTD....I currently game the White, and wouldn't hesitate to bag the Tour LTD again. Just excellent on both counts. White feels like a whip for sure, LTD stable as can be. Both feel great. Can't go wrong with the Kiyoshi line at all.

[tarmactrr]

I use a Kiyoshi White 65 04 tipped an inch and no shaft can touch it for accuracy - the White 04 is roughly equal to the Black 05 from a "stiffness" feel standpoint in my experience

 

Have tried every shaft listed here and the straightest, smoothest, lowest and longest for me is the White 65 04 tipped an inch...(not even HZRDUS, 7.2 TS, ADDI7 or D+ beats it)

 

YMMV...but just a fantastic shaft

 

Same. I put my 1'' tipped 65 04 KW against a 70tx Pro Orange and the KW was outdriving it by 20ish yards. It was also more accurate as well.