How adjustable drivers actually work. Everyone should be required to watch this to be allowed to pos

[Stuart_G]

Really? People cant see if a 460 driver face is square? What do they do with a wedge?

 

Forget the wedges, numerous studies have shown that most average golfers can't really see if their putter is square and pointed in the right direction.

[Londoner]

Really? People cant see if a 460 driver face is square? What do they do with a wedge?

 

Forget the wedges, numerous studies have shown that most average golfers can't really see if their putter is square and pointed in the right direction.

Were not talking putting though. I find it hard to believe they are any better off just trusting the clubs lie for squareness. Theyve still got to aim it. Maybe im missing something.

[Stuart_G]

Were not talking putting though. I find it hard to believe they are any better off just trusting the clubs lie for squareness. Theyve still got to aim it. Maybe im missing something.

 

We are talking about the ability of the player to point the club face in a particular direction and know what direction it's really pointing.

 

But the key isn't really where it's pointing at set-up. It only matters where it's pointing at impact and the two are rarely the same. The only thing that's important is how consistent they are at where it might point at setup. And there is very little to indicate one method is any more or less consistent then any other.

[dxdgenert]

As always, thanks, Tom. I hadn't watched this because I was playing a non-adjustable driver when you created it. Now that I picked an adjustable model up, I'm glad I gave it a view.

[surffshr]

when I adjust the loft angle the lettering on the club moves. I then Have the club regripped with lettering centered to a square club face. dosen't this resolve the square face issue? On regular shots don'rt we square the face to the target line anyway?

[Londoner]

when I adjust the loft angle the lettering on the club moves. I then Have the club regripped with lettering centered to a square club face. dosen't this resolve the square face issue? On regular shots don'rt we square the face to the target line anyway?

Thats my thoughts as well.

[Supremexx]

great info

[Golfrnut]

great info

 

So what you are basically saying is...

 

You have been registered on here for 6 years and are just now choosing to SPAM the forums to get your post count up, can only image for BST rights correct?

 

Hint: the 12 posts in 10 minutes is a bit of a giveaway. Edit: Nevermind, looks like you are shooting for the stars on this one.

[Stuart_G]

 

Hint: the 12 posts in 10 minutes is a bit of a giveaway. Edit: Nevermind, looks like you are shooting for the stars on this one.

 

Actually it's 42 posts in ~30 minutes.

[thepinkbomber]

Curious if this is true with the 2017 EPIC adjustable hosel. I have a 9 degree. When I set the lie adjustment to neutral and adjust the loft from 8, 9, 10, and 11 the face angle does not change when I sole the club. 4 degrees is a significant change that you can see by the eye. The launch angle and spin do change on the LM as I progressively increase the loft setting from 8 to 11 but unlike other clubs it doesn't hook when I increase the loft. Other clubs when I increase loft the face closes and they hook.

 

Anyone with knowledge on this specific hosel and why I don't see a face adjustment of 4 degrees when soled?

[Stuart_G]

Curious if this is true with the 2017 EPIC adjustable hosel. I have a 9 degree. When I set the lie adjustment to neutral and adjust the loft from 8, 9, 10, and 11 the face angle does not change when I sole the club. 4 degrees is a significant change that you can see by the eye. The launch angle and spin do change on the LM as I progressively increase the loft setting from 8 to 11 but unlike other clubs it doesn't hook when I increase the loft. Other clubs when I increase loft the face closes and they hook.

 

Anyone with knowledge on this specific hosel and why I don't see a face adjustment of 4 degrees when soled?

 

If it's true (havent' had a chance to play around with one), it has nothing to do with the hosel or adapter design. It would be more a consequence of the sole geometry. Similar idea to Cobra's 'SmartPad'.

[boatrightgolf7]

I watched this video great info for sure!

[Jds13]

Great great video

[Golfrnut]

Great great video

 

 

Was it great?!? Or was it just good enough to get to your 75 post count since you were forum spamming?

[00ogopogo]

Were not talking putting though. I find it hard to believe they are any better off just trusting the clubs lie for squareness. Theyve still got to aim it. Maybe im missing something.

 

We are talking about the ability of the player to point the club face in a particular direction and know what direction it's really pointing.

 

But the key isn't really where it's pointing at set-up. It only matters where it's pointing at impact and the two are rarely the same. The only thing that's important is how consistent they are at where it might point at setup. And there is very little to indicate one method is any more or less consistent then any other.

 

[LEO MODE]

So when I use my Trackman almost always my face angle is slightly open and my swing direction is open too.

 

Does it mean based on the titleist hosel chart i should make it more to the left and add loft at the same time since opening the club face already adds loft anyway?

 

I am only talking about a driver of course...

[Dreadzombie]

Why have I not seen this video before, guess I'm the 1/10000 lol, fantastically explained!

[MSG Kunert-zero3Putts]

Can somebody please post a link to the video?

[Stuart_G]

Can somebody please post a link to the video?

 

it's in the first post of the thread.

[Golfrnut]

Can somebody please post a link to the video?

 

it's in the first post of the thread.

 

The embedding must be a little porked for some. I don't see it right now either using chrome.

 

[Stuart_G]

Not sure what to say - it's showing up fine for me in both Chrome and Firefox.

 

If you've updated the browser recently, you may also have to update flash.

[dna113p]

I want to know what kind of pristine tee boxes people are playing on where they don't have to adjust the club square...

 

it completely nullifies this ridiculous argument, adjustable loft drivers are a GOOD thing.

[TKS]

I want to know what kind of pristine tee boxes people are playing on where they don't have to adjust the club square...

 

it completely nullifies this ridiculous argument, adjustable loft drivers are a GOOD thing.

Nice first post.

Now watch the video again, nobody is saying they are BAD thing. Tom clarified how they work and how to use them better than the MFG have.

[Bobb3rdown]

So let me see if I got this. If the club is soled you won't visually see a difference. But if you grip and everything is in the swing is the same with the club square at address not soled. Each adjustment will actually change the flight of the ball. Not static loft in itself.

[tripleboogey]

I want to know what kind of pristine tee boxes people are playing on where they don't have to adjust the club square...

 

it completely nullifies this ridiculous argument, adjustable loft drivers are a GOOD thing.

Nice first post.

Now watch the video again, nobody is saying they are BAD thing. Tom clarified how they work and how to use them better than the MFG have.

 

i remember watching this video when it first came out, right when i got my first adjustable loft driver. i remember thinking he was just full of it.

 

years later, watching it, he has points, valid points, but where i realize i don't agree with him is in regards to soling the club. i hadn't done this in years. i can get my grip better by holding the club up with i grip it and gripping it with the face angle where it is most comfortable for my eye and playing with loft in that regard. i found a lot of the modern drivers before we got into adjustable lofts would sit funny when soled. i also practiced a lot at a driving range with spotty grass that always made soling the club difficult.

 

if you sole the club, he comments are valid.

 

i will agree with some others, and it was dumb luck for me, regrip your club after you find that sweet spot for the club adjustment. i just always happen to regrip after i got the club and played around (well, reshafted too), but that helps too.

[Texsport]

Mizuno has addressed some of this with their GT180 driver.

 

Loft and lie are hosel adapter functions.

 

Wanting the look of an open face at address is facilitated by a movable sole chuck. It makes the club sit open, square or closed when soled on the turf. If you then grip the club, it is pre-rotated into a consistently preset position. I believe desiring an open face is a learned preference of good players who draw the ball.

 

To address swing induced fades or draws, Mizuno uses sliding weights which can be moved to the toe, center, or heel - offsetting incorrect swing path shot spin and dictating more or less face rotation thru impact.

 

The same sliding weights can to installed closer or further from the face to affect launch angle and spin generation by the head.

 

It's the ultimate club for good playing range rats.

 

It's also the best driver I've hit ever - easily displacing a Callaway Epic from my bag.

 

Fortunately for me, my setting are fairly simple - 10.5*, neutral center weight position, mid-high/mid-spin launch position.

 

Very solid perforning and feeling driver.

 

Texsport

[TKS]

It's all been done before. Nothing new here. I like the blue paint.

[GoTime]

So does this mean i also have to square the club face at address if I'm adjusting the hosel to manipulate lie angle?

[Texsport]

If you have a square face but approach the ball from in-to-out ----- hook!

 

Texsport

[Texsport]

It's all been done before. Nothing new here. I like the blue paint.

 

But not all the possible adjustments together in 1 club - which is new.

 

Additionally, the face of the Mizuno is hotter than what was previously allowed, but they skirt the regulations another way.

 

Which previous club had a moveable chuck to adjust address position like the Mizuno GT180?

 

Texsport