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PontusPontus  38Posted: Members Posts: 38
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So I just heard from a local fitter that Callaway are making the apex mb "raw" version available for leftys 2018 in Sweden. Huge fan of the look you get with a raw finish. But since they does not come cheap and I will use them for some years (I hope so atleast). How will the raw finish/ rust affect the life cycle compared to a forged non-raw finish??
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  • Lacey UnderallLacey Underall  1209Posted: Members Posts: 1,209
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    This has been one of my talking points for some time. I firmly believe that raw irons/wedges last longer. If you look at any used iron/wedge its typically the chrome finish that shows the wear. Why do people send their clubs off to get refinished? To put a fresh new coat of chrome on them! I only use raw wedges and they last forever. Unless you play on a really sandy surface (then you have no hope either way).
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    2019 WITB
    Driver: Callaway Rogue Sub-Zero 10.5* - Aldila Rogue Max 75x
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 15* - Aldila Rogue Max 85x
    2-PW: Callaway X-Prototype MBs - Project X 6.5 flighted
    52* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    58* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    Putter: Odyssey Sabertooth Versa
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  • buckeyeflbuckeyefl  6092Posted: Members Posts: 6,092
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    Sand is the enemy!
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  • toddba11toddba11 Moonlight Mile  619Posted: Members Posts: 619
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    Is the RAW available in the US for right-handers?
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    In the Bag:
    Driver - Titleist 915 D2 - Tensei White CK Pro Mitsubishi Rayon 70S, 45"
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 13.5 Rogue 75S
    Irons: 4 - PW Callaway Apex MBs 2018 - DG TI 120 S400 +1"
    3 Cobra Iron Utility Black with KBS $120 Shaft +1"
    PW: Vokey 7M 46,52 (both F grind),60 (M grind) degree. SW: Ping I10
    Hybrid: Cobra F7
    Putter: TP Mills High Toe ONE or TP Mills Bull Elf
    Ball: Pro V or Bridgestone RSX
    Bag: 2018 Sun Mountain C-130
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  • PontusPontus  38Posted: Members Posts: 38
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    Lacey Underall wrote:


    This has been one of my talking points for some time. I firmly believe that raw irons/wedges last longer. If you look at any used iron/wedge its typically the chrome finish that shows the wear. Why do people send their clubs off to get refinished? To put a fresh new coat of chrome on them! I only use raw wedges and they last forever. Unless you play on a really sandy surface (then you have no hope either way).


    Thats interesting, so you feel like the groves stays sharper longer than non-raws? But refinish that's for looks only, I am right? If they got atleast the same life time as non-raws, Im all over these!


    toddba11 wrote:


    Is the RAW available in the US for right-handers?


    No idea. Weird if they were offered in europe but not the US?
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  • toddba11toddba11 Moonlight Mile  619Posted: Members Posts: 619
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    Agreed, I suspect st some point they will.
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    In the Bag:
    Driver - Titleist 915 D2 - Tensei White CK Pro Mitsubishi Rayon 70S, 45"
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 13.5 Rogue 75S
    Irons: 4 - PW Callaway Apex MBs 2018 - DG TI 120 S400 +1"
    3 Cobra Iron Utility Black with KBS $120 Shaft +1"
    PW: Vokey 7M 46,52 (both F grind),60 (M grind) degree. SW: Ping I10
    Hybrid: Cobra F7
    Putter: TP Mills High Toe ONE or TP Mills Bull Elf
    Ball: Pro V or Bridgestone RSX
    Bag: 2018 Sun Mountain C-130
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  • Jdavenp3Jdavenp3  866Posted: Members Posts: 866
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    toddba11 wrote:


    Agreed, I suspect st some point they will.






    This was a question that I asked in the Callaway Live Chat thread. Basically they aren't offering it in the US right now and there was more of a demand for it overseas. I really don't see how but surely we will see them at some point.
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  • toddba11toddba11 Moonlight Mile  619Posted: Members Posts: 619
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    Great, good to know, thanks for the information. I love the look of those MBs, regardless, but the raw would be a nice option if I pull the trigger.

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    In the Bag:
    Driver - Titleist 915 D2 - Tensei White CK Pro Mitsubishi Rayon 70S, 45"
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 13.5 Rogue 75S
    Irons: 4 - PW Callaway Apex MBs 2018 - DG TI 120 S400 +1"
    3 Cobra Iron Utility Black with KBS $120 Shaft +1"
    PW: Vokey 7M 46,52 (both F grind),60 (M grind) degree. SW: Ping I10
    Hybrid: Cobra F7
    Putter: TP Mills High Toe ONE or TP Mills Bull Elf
    Ball: Pro V or Bridgestone RSX
    Bag: 2018 Sun Mountain C-130
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  • tobybeartobybear  1501Posted: Members, Media Staffer Posts: 1,501
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    having worked in golf retail its a very North American thing to have "shiny & bright"



    MANY moons ago I was a tech rep for a major OEM and the year I started this company stopped offering RAW wedges to consumers - you guys can figure this out. Anyways when I asked why - because it was always my preference, i was told it was because in pro shops and big box the average consumer never wanted to buy a club that was already rusted. They chose to abandon the RAW wedges instead of offer consumer education about the product anymore.



    I think it comes down to consumer preference and what sells in what markets. If it was up to me all my irons and wedges would be raw.
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  • EaglesGolf99EaglesGolf99 (.... Goodbye my WRX Family & Friends! ....) Foxboro, MA 2508Posted: Members Posts: 2,508
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    I asked a similar question in the live chat too, I went unanswered though.



    Seriously though...



    Legacy Black Stenson's (Japan)

    1st Gen Epic Star Driver & Fairways (Japan)

    Epic Forged Driver (Japan)

    Apex MB Raw (Europe)



    What am I missing here, Callaway?



    Bonded Drivers and RAW Clubheads .... I gotta live outside the states to get them?
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    2017 WORLD CHAMPION
    PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

    W. I. T. B.

    Callaway Flash Star 10.5° HZRDUS Smoke Black 70 X
    Callaway TC Rogue 4+ 16° HZRDUS Smoke Black 80 X
    Callaway TC Apex 2H 18° Tourspec Speeder 904HB X
    Callaway TC Apex 4H 23° Tourspec Speeder 904HB X
    Miura Golf CB•301 5-6 iSeries iCWT 105 X
    Miura Golf CB•57 7-9     iSeries iCWT 105 X
    Miura Hand Grind 46° | 06° iSeries iCWT 105 X
    Miura Hand Grind 52° | 10° iSeries iCWT 105 X
    Miura Hand Grind 58° | 10° iSeries iCWT 105 X
    Miura KM•350 Soft Black Stability EI GJ 1.0
    Callaway Chrome Soft X Triple Track
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  • EaglesGolf99EaglesGolf99 (.... Goodbye my WRX Family & Friends! ....) Foxboro, MA 2508Posted: Members Posts: 2,508
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    tobybear wrote:


    having worked in golf retail its a very North American thing to have "shiny & bright"



    MANY moons ago I was a tech rep for a major OEM and the year I started this company stopped offering RAW wedges to consumers - you guys can figure this out. Anyways when I asked why - because it was always my preference, i was told it was because in pro shops and big box the average consumer never wanted to buy a club that was already rusted. They chose to abandon the RAW wedges instead of offer consumer education about the product anymore.



    I think it comes down to consumer preference and what sells in what markets. If it was up to me all my irons and wedges would be raw.




    I think it was Nike who had the blue wax "headcovers" on it's Raw Wedges? ... Maybe it was Mizuno ... I forget, but I thought that was a really, really, good idea. Prevents the pre-purchase rust and protects from dings and dents as an added bonus. I understand it's probably a costly proposition to major OEM's, but I think a guy in the market to buy Raw Wedges, doesn't have an issue paying a couple extra bucks for the post production, pre sale, waxing process.



    JMO.
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    2017 WORLD CHAMPION
    PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

    W. I. T. B.

    Callaway Flash Star 10.5° HZRDUS Smoke Black 70 X
    Callaway TC Rogue 4+ 16° HZRDUS Smoke Black 80 X
    Callaway TC Apex 2H 18° Tourspec Speeder 904HB X
    Callaway TC Apex 4H 23° Tourspec Speeder 904HB X
    Miura Golf CB•301 5-6 iSeries iCWT 105 X
    Miura Golf CB•57 7-9     iSeries iCWT 105 X
    Miura Hand Grind 46° | 06° iSeries iCWT 105 X
    Miura Hand Grind 52° | 10° iSeries iCWT 105 X
    Miura Hand Grind 58° | 10° iSeries iCWT 105 X
    Miura KM•350 Soft Black Stability EI GJ 1.0
    Callaway Chrome Soft X Triple Track
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  • tdk8180tdk8180  2417Posted: Members Posts: 2,417
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    Raw finish is the best for irons and wedges in my opinion.



    Chrome is a clean look, but chrome will wear over time anyway.



    There is nothing like the feel of a raw wedge or iron. Any plating on metal will make the head feel harder.



    Raw irons are easier to work with asthetically. You can sand blast them, polish them, rust them, hand sand them, etc. You can do a rich black oxide, a rusty oil can patina, torch finish, polish to a natural silver metal finish. You cant do any of that with chrome plated finish.



    Raw is best!



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  • LaymanMLaymanM Cincinnati, OH 2211Posted: Members Posts: 2,211
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    No RAW in US. Have Apex MB chrome sitting in my bag. God I can’t wait for spring!
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    Callaway Steelhead XR 4+
    Mizuno MP-18 mb 4-PW
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  • fldawgfanfldawgfan  1Posted: Members Posts: 1
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    LaymanM wrote:


    No RAW in US. Have Apex MB chrome sitting in my bag. God I can’t wait for spring!
    Oh well, I quest I will send my money to a shop in the UK, Australia, or Germany. Raw goes on sail there in a week or 2. They are listed on Callaway’s German website.
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  • EaglesGolf99EaglesGolf99 (.... Goodbye my WRX Family & Friends! ....) Foxboro, MA 2508Posted: Members Posts: 2,508
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    ****. Crazy.



    Foreign Callaway beating up on Domestic Callaway ....



    Just my two cents.
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    2017 WORLD CHAMPION
    PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

    W. I. T. B.

    Callaway Flash Star 10.5° HZRDUS Smoke Black 70 X
    Callaway TC Rogue 4+ 16° HZRDUS Smoke Black 80 X
    Callaway TC Apex 2H 18° Tourspec Speeder 904HB X
    Callaway TC Apex 4H 23° Tourspec Speeder 904HB X
    Miura Golf CB•301 5-6 iSeries iCWT 105 X
    Miura Golf CB•57 7-9     iSeries iCWT 105 X
    Miura Hand Grind 46° | 06° iSeries iCWT 105 X
    Miura Hand Grind 52° | 10° iSeries iCWT 105 X
    Miura Hand Grind 58° | 10° iSeries iCWT 105 X
    Miura KM•350 Soft Black Stability EI GJ 1.0
    Callaway Chrome Soft X Triple Track
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  • Lacey UnderallLacey Underall  1209Posted: Members Posts: 1,209
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    When the raw MB is released in Europe how can we get our hands on them in the States? Is there a website like TourSpec for Europe?
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    2019 WITB
    Driver: Callaway Rogue Sub-Zero 10.5* - Aldila Rogue Max 75x
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 15* - Aldila Rogue Max 85x
    2-PW: Callaway X-Prototype MBs - Project X 6.5 flighted
    52* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    58* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    Putter: Odyssey Sabertooth Versa
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  • PontusPontus  38Posted: Members Posts: 38
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    Says 19/1 on their Europe website. Just noticed the MB Raw shows up when viewing "left handed clubs" but the specs says RH only. Praying I'm not going to be bullied once again for being a lefty image/sad.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' />
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  • PALS-SSAPALS-SSA  281Posted: Members Posts: 281
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    I love raw and the way it feels.
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  • PawtucketPawtucket  177Posted: Members Posts: 177
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    whats in the bag?
    Cobra f8+ cut 1"
    Cobra F7 fairway
    Srixon z355
    Cleveland 48 wedge
    Ping 54 wedge
    Ping 58 ES wedge
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  • Lacey UnderallLacey Underall  1209Posted: Members Posts: 1,209
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    Okay just saw they have them up on the UK site:



    http://uk.callawaygolf.com/golf-clubs/iron-sets/irons-2018-apex-mb-oil-finish.html



    Must.....find....way....to.....acquire.
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    2019 WITB
    Driver: Callaway Rogue Sub-Zero 10.5* - Aldila Rogue Max 75x
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 15* - Aldila Rogue Max 85x
    2-PW: Callaway X-Prototype MBs - Project X 6.5 flighted
    52* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    58* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    Putter: Odyssey Sabertooth Versa
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  • thekangathekanga  145Posted: Members Posts: 145
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    I ordered from Australia and will pick them up when I'm there next month. Wish I could have ordered them in the US but nope.



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  • tobybeartobybear  1501Posted: Members, Media Staffer Posts: 1,501
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    Lacey Underall wrote:


    Okay just saw they have them up on the UK site:



    http://uk.callawaygo...oil-finish.html



    Must.....find....way....to.....acquire.




    Best advice is to find a friend to ship you a set thats the best bet vs, trying to buy online. I'm sure there's a GolfWRX friend who would be happy to help.



    On a side note, I know I would prefer the raw over chrome.
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  • chipaudiochipaudio  1Posted: Members Posts: 1
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    Is there a WRX member in Europe who would take this on? Please message me and I would love to work something out.
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  • ZAPZAP  1642Posted: ClubWRX Posts: 1,642
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    LaymanM wrote:


    No RAW in US. Have Apex MB chrome sitting in my bag. God I can't wait for spring!




    Wish I could say the same. Only new wedges this year. Too much college. Many college.

    Oh well I really like my Apex MBs that are a generation old very much so don't feel bad.
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  • dukemandukeman  884Posted: Members Posts: 884
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    Just asking.....companies go to great lengths to provide a perfectly smooth hitting surface so the wedge will be more accurate. Doesn’t the rusting over time create an irregular surface hence less accuracy?
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  • RoseParkRosePark  805Posted: Members Posts: 805
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    https://clubchampiongolf.com/merchandise
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  • buckeyeflbuckeyefl  6092Posted: Members Posts: 6,092
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    dukeman wrote:


    Just asking.....companies go to great lengths to provide a perfectly smooth hitting surface so the wedge will be more accurate. Doesn't the rusting over time create an irregular surface hence less accuracy?




    nope
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  • Lacey UnderallLacey Underall  1209Posted: Members Posts: 1,209
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    dukeman wrote:


    Just asking.....companies go to great lengths to provide a perfectly smooth hitting surface so the wedge will be more accurate. Doesn't the rusting over time create an irregular surface hence less accuracy?


    Its an interesting thought. But I agree.......the answer is no. I'd say over 50% or more of the PGA tour players use raw wedges. Enough said there.
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    2019 WITB
    Driver: Callaway Rogue Sub-Zero 10.5* - Aldila Rogue Max 75x
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 15* - Aldila Rogue Max 85x
    2-PW: Callaway X-Prototype MBs - Project X 6.5 flighted
    52* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    58* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    Putter: Odyssey Sabertooth Versa
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  • EaglesGolf99EaglesGolf99 (.... Goodbye my WRX Family & Friends! ....) Foxboro, MA 2508Posted: Members Posts: 2,508
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    RosePark wrote:


    https://clubchampiongolf.com/merchandise




    Wait!



    So that's in the US?



    EDIT ... So yes, my answer to my question is yes. Lol. Read little further, Goof.
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    2017 WORLD CHAMPION
    PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

    W. I. T. B.

    Callaway Flash Star 10.5° HZRDUS Smoke Black 70 X
    Callaway TC Rogue 4+ 16° HZRDUS Smoke Black 80 X
    Callaway TC Apex 2H 18° Tourspec Speeder 904HB X
    Callaway TC Apex 4H 23° Tourspec Speeder 904HB X
    Miura Golf CB•301 5-6 iSeries iCWT 105 X
    Miura Golf CB•57 7-9     iSeries iCWT 105 X
    Miura Hand Grind 46° | 06° iSeries iCWT 105 X
    Miura Hand Grind 52° | 10° iSeries iCWT 105 X
    Miura Hand Grind 58° | 10° iSeries iCWT 105 X
    Miura KM•350 Soft Black Stability EI GJ 1.0
    Callaway Chrome Soft X Triple Track
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  • thekangathekanga  145Posted: Members Posts: 145
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    Just received this teaser picture. Picking them up on Sunday.



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  • Mark_CrossanMark_Crossan  277Posted: Members Posts: 277
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    Is there a place to get them in the US then now?



    I'm living in Australia now and they have them online here. If you're struggling then I can always help out If someone wants them shipping.



    I.e. Get them sent to my house and I can post them at the post office (obviously if you guys pay for the postage) if it's cheaper than ordering them off a foreign site and paying for postage.

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