Callaway APEX MB RAW

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So I just heard from a local fitter that Callaway are making the apex mb "raw" version available for leftys 2018 in Sweden. Huge fan of the look you get with a raw finish. But since they does not come cheap and I will use them for some years (I hope so atleast). How will the raw finish/ rust affect the life cycle compared to a forged non-raw finish??
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  • Lacey UnderallLacey Underall  1214Posted: WRX Points: 114Members Posts: 1,214 Platinum Tees
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    This has been one of my talking points for some time. I firmly believe that raw irons/wedges last longer. If you look at any used iron/wedge its typically the chrome finish that shows the wear. Why do people send their clubs off to get refinished? To put a fresh new coat of chrome on them! I only use raw wedges and they last forever. Unless you play on a really sandy surface (then you have no hope either way).
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    2019 WITB
    Driver: Callaway Rogue Sub-Zero 10.5* - Aldila Rogue Max 75x
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 15* - Aldila Rogue Max 85x
    2-PW: Callaway X-Prototype MBs - Project X 6.5 flighted
    52* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    58* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    Putter: Odyssey Sabertooth Versa
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  • buckeyeflbuckeyefl  6103Posted: WRX Points: 1,101Members Posts: 6,103 Titanium Tees
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    Sand is the enemy!
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  • toddba11toddba11 Moonlight Mile  623Posted: WRX Points: 125Members Posts: 623 Golden Tee
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    Is the RAW available in the US for right-handers?
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    In the Bag:
    Driver - Titleist 915 D2 - Tensei White CK Pro Mitsubishi Rayon 70S, 45"
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 13.5 Rogue 75S
    Irons: 4 - PW Callaway Apex MBs 2018 - DG TI 120 S400 +1"
    3 Cobra Iron Utility Black with KBS $120 Shaft +1"
    PW: Vokey 7M 46,52 (both F grind),60 (M grind) degree. SW: Ping I10
    Hybrid: Cobra F7
    Putter: TP Mills High Toe ONE or TP Mills Bull Elf
    Ball: Pro V or Bridgestone RSX
    Bag: 2018 Sun Mountain C-130
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  • PontusPontus  38Posted: WRX Points: 0Members Posts: 38
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    Lacey Underall wrote:


    This has been one of my talking points for some time. I firmly believe that raw irons/wedges last longer. If you look at any used iron/wedge its typically the chrome finish that shows the wear. Why do people send their clubs off to get refinished? To put a fresh new coat of chrome on them! I only use raw wedges and they last forever. Unless you play on a really sandy surface (then you have no hope either way).


    Thats interesting, so you feel like the groves stays sharper longer than non-raws? But refinish that's for looks only, I am right? If they got atleast the same life time as non-raws, Im all over these!


    toddba11 wrote:


    Is the RAW available in the US for right-handers?


    No idea. Weird if they were offered in europe but not the US?
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  • toddba11toddba11 Moonlight Mile  623Posted: WRX Points: 125Members Posts: 623 Golden Tee
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    Agreed, I suspect st some point they will.
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    In the Bag:
    Driver - Titleist 915 D2 - Tensei White CK Pro Mitsubishi Rayon 70S, 45"
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 13.5 Rogue 75S
    Irons: 4 - PW Callaway Apex MBs 2018 - DG TI 120 S400 +1"
    3 Cobra Iron Utility Black with KBS $120 Shaft +1"
    PW: Vokey 7M 46,52 (both F grind),60 (M grind) degree. SW: Ping I10
    Hybrid: Cobra F7
    Putter: TP Mills High Toe ONE or TP Mills Bull Elf
    Ball: Pro V or Bridgestone RSX
    Bag: 2018 Sun Mountain C-130
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    toddba11 wrote:


    Agreed, I suspect st some point they will.






    This was a question that I asked in the Callaway Live Chat thread. Basically they aren't offering it in the US right now and there was more of a demand for it overseas. I really don't see how but surely we will see them at some point.
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  • toddba11toddba11 Moonlight Mile  623Posted: WRX Points: 125Members Posts: 623 Golden Tee
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    Great, good to know, thanks for the information. I love the look of those MBs, regardless, but the raw would be a nice option if I pull the trigger.

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    In the Bag:
    Driver - Titleist 915 D2 - Tensei White CK Pro Mitsubishi Rayon 70S, 45"
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 13.5 Rogue 75S
    Irons: 4 - PW Callaway Apex MBs 2018 - DG TI 120 S400 +1"
    3 Cobra Iron Utility Black with KBS $120 Shaft +1"
    PW: Vokey 7M 46,52 (both F grind),60 (M grind) degree. SW: Ping I10
    Hybrid: Cobra F7
    Putter: TP Mills High Toe ONE or TP Mills Bull Elf
    Ball: Pro V or Bridgestone RSX
    Bag: 2018 Sun Mountain C-130
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  • tobybeartobybear  1502Posted: WRX Points: 95Members, Media Staffer Posts: 1,502 Platinum Tees
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    having worked in golf retail its a very North American thing to have "shiny & bright"



    MANY moons ago I was a tech rep for a major OEM and the year I started this company stopped offering RAW wedges to consumers - you guys can figure this out. Anyways when I asked why - because it was always my preference, i was told it was because in pro shops and big box the average consumer never wanted to buy a club that was already rusted. They chose to abandon the RAW wedges instead of offer consumer education about the product anymore.



    I think it comes down to consumer preference and what sells in what markets. If it was up to me all my irons and wedges would be raw.
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  • EaglesGolf99EaglesGolf99 Foxboro, MA 2592Posted: WRX Points: 182Handicap: +0.8Members Posts: 2,592 Titanium Tees
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    I asked a similar question in the live chat too, I went unanswered though.



    Seriously though...



    Legacy Black Stenson's (Japan)

    1st Gen Epic Star Driver & Fairways (Japan)

    Epic Forged Driver (Japan)

    Apex MB Raw (Europe)



    What am I missing here, Callaway?



    Bonded Drivers and RAW Clubheads .... I gotta live outside the states to get them?
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    PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

    W. I. T. B.

    Callaway Epic Flash Star 10.5° Smoke Black 70 X
    Callaway TC Super Hybrid 17° Tourspec Speeder 904 X
    Callaway TC Apex Hybrid 18° Tourspec Speeder 904 X
    Callaway TC Apex Hybrid 23° Tourspec Speeder 904 X
    Miura Golf CB•301 5-6 Prototype iCWT 105 X
    Miura Golf CB•1008 7-9     Prototype iCWT 105 X
     Miura Raw Handgrind 46° | 06° Prototype iCWT 105 X
    Miura Raw Handgrind 52° | 10° Prototype iCWT 105 X
    Miura Raw Handgrind 58° | 10° Prototype iCWT 105 X
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  • EaglesGolf99EaglesGolf99 Foxboro, MA 2592Posted: WRX Points: 182Handicap: +0.8Members Posts: 2,592 Titanium Tees
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    tobybear wrote:


    having worked in golf retail its a very North American thing to have "shiny & bright"



    MANY moons ago I was a tech rep for a major OEM and the year I started this company stopped offering RAW wedges to consumers - you guys can figure this out. Anyways when I asked why - because it was always my preference, i was told it was because in pro shops and big box the average consumer never wanted to buy a club that was already rusted. They chose to abandon the RAW wedges instead of offer consumer education about the product anymore.



    I think it comes down to consumer preference and what sells in what markets. If it was up to me all my irons and wedges would be raw.




    I think it was Nike who had the blue wax "headcovers" on it's Raw Wedges? ... Maybe it was Mizuno ... I forget, but I thought that was a really, really, good idea. Prevents the pre-purchase rust and protects from dings and dents as an added bonus. I understand it's probably a costly proposition to major OEM's, but I think a guy in the market to buy Raw Wedges, doesn't have an issue paying a couple extra bucks for the post production, pre sale, waxing process.



    JMO.
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    2017 WORLD CHAMPION
    PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

    W. I. T. B.

    Callaway Epic Flash Star 10.5° Smoke Black 70 X
    Callaway TC Super Hybrid 17° Tourspec Speeder 904 X
    Callaway TC Apex Hybrid 18° Tourspec Speeder 904 X
    Callaway TC Apex Hybrid 23° Tourspec Speeder 904 X
    Miura Golf CB•301 5-6 Prototype iCWT 105 X
    Miura Golf CB•1008 7-9     Prototype iCWT 105 X
     Miura Raw Handgrind 46° | 06° Prototype iCWT 105 X
    Miura Raw Handgrind 52° | 10° Prototype iCWT 105 X
    Miura Raw Handgrind 58° | 10° Prototype iCWT 105 X
    Miura Golf Smoke KM•007 Stability EI GJ 1.0
    Bridgestone Golf Tour B XS
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  • tdk8180tdk8180 Parts Unknown 2446Posted: WRX Points: 142Handicap: 3Banned Posts: 2,446 Platinum Tees
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    Raw finish is the best for irons and wedges in my opinion.



    Chrome is a clean look, but chrome will wear over time anyway.



    There is nothing like the feel of a raw wedge or iron. Any plating on metal will make the head feel harder.



    Raw irons are easier to work with asthetically. You can sand blast them, polish them, rust them, hand sand them, etc. You can do a rich black oxide, a rusty oil can patina, torch finish, polish to a natural silver metal finish. You cant do any of that with chrome plated finish.



    Raw is best!



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  • LaymanMLaymanM Cincinnati, OH 2211Posted: WRX Points: 302Handicap: 7Members Posts: 2,211 Platinum Tees
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    No RAW in US. Have Apex MB chrome sitting in my bag. God I can’t wait for spring!
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    LaymanM wrote:


    No RAW in US. Have Apex MB chrome sitting in my bag. God I can’t wait for spring!
    Oh well, I quest I will send my money to a shop in the UK, Australia, or Germany. Raw goes on sail there in a week or 2. They are listed on Callaway’s German website.
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  • EaglesGolf99EaglesGolf99 Foxboro, MA 2592Posted: WRX Points: 182Handicap: +0.8Members Posts: 2,592 Titanium Tees
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    ****. Crazy.



    Foreign Callaway beating up on Domestic Callaway ....



    Just my two cents.
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    2017 WORLD CHAMPION
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    W. I. T. B.

    Callaway Epic Flash Star 10.5° Smoke Black 70 X
    Callaway TC Super Hybrid 17° Tourspec Speeder 904 X
    Callaway TC Apex Hybrid 18° Tourspec Speeder 904 X
    Callaway TC Apex Hybrid 23° Tourspec Speeder 904 X
    Miura Golf CB•301 5-6 Prototype iCWT 105 X
    Miura Golf CB•1008 7-9     Prototype iCWT 105 X
     Miura Raw Handgrind 46° | 06° Prototype iCWT 105 X
    Miura Raw Handgrind 52° | 10° Prototype iCWT 105 X
    Miura Raw Handgrind 58° | 10° Prototype iCWT 105 X
    Miura Golf Smoke KM•007 Stability EI GJ 1.0
    Bridgestone Golf Tour B XS
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  • Lacey UnderallLacey Underall  1214Posted: WRX Points: 114Members Posts: 1,214 Platinum Tees
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    When the raw MB is released in Europe how can we get our hands on them in the States? Is there a website like TourSpec for Europe?
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    2019 WITB
    Driver: Callaway Rogue Sub-Zero 10.5* - Aldila Rogue Max 75x
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 15* - Aldila Rogue Max 85x
    2-PW: Callaway X-Prototype MBs - Project X 6.5 flighted
    52* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    58* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    Putter: Odyssey Sabertooth Versa
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  • PontusPontus  38Posted: WRX Points: 0Members Posts: 38
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    Says 19/1 on their Europe website. Just noticed the MB Raw shows up when viewing "left handed clubs" but the specs says RH only. Praying I'm not going to be bullied once again for being a lefty image/sad.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' />
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  • PALS-SSAPALS-SSA  284Posted: WRX Points: 76Members Posts: 284 Greens
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    I love raw and the way it feels.
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  • PawtucketPawtucket  177Posted: WRX Points: 10Members Posts: 177 Fairways
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    whats in the bag?
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    Cobra F7 fairway
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    Cleveland 48 wedge
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  • Lacey UnderallLacey Underall  1214Posted: WRX Points: 114Members Posts: 1,214 Platinum Tees
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    Okay just saw they have them up on the UK site:



    http://uk.callawaygolf.com/golf-clubs/iron-sets/irons-2018-apex-mb-oil-finish.html



    Must.....find....way....to.....acquire.
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    2019 WITB
    Driver: Callaway Rogue Sub-Zero 10.5* - Aldila Rogue Max 75x
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 15* - Aldila Rogue Max 85x
    2-PW: Callaway X-Prototype MBs - Project X 6.5 flighted
    52* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    58* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    Putter: Odyssey Sabertooth Versa
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  • thekangathekanga  145Posted: WRX Points: 53Members Posts: 145 Fairways
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    I ordered from Australia and will pick them up when I'm there next month. Wish I could have ordered them in the US but nope.



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  • tobybeartobybear  1502Posted: WRX Points: 95Members, Media Staffer Posts: 1,502 Platinum Tees
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    Lacey Underall wrote:


    Okay just saw they have them up on the UK site:



    http://uk.callawaygo...oil-finish.html



    Must.....find....way....to.....acquire.




    Best advice is to find a friend to ship you a set thats the best bet vs, trying to buy online. I'm sure there's a GolfWRX friend who would be happy to help.



    On a side note, I know I would prefer the raw over chrome.
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  • chipaudiochipaudio  1Posted: WRX Points: 0Members Posts: 1
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    Is there a WRX member in Europe who would take this on? Please message me and I would love to work something out.
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    LaymanM wrote:


    No RAW in US. Have Apex MB chrome sitting in my bag. God I can't wait for spring!




    Wish I could say the same. Only new wedges this year. Too much college. Many college.

    Oh well I really like my Apex MBs that are a generation old very much so don't feel bad.
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  • dukemandukeman  888Posted: WRX Points: 98Members Posts: 888 Golden Tee
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    Just asking.....companies go to great lengths to provide a perfectly smooth hitting surface so the wedge will be more accurate. Doesn’t the rusting over time create an irregular surface hence less accuracy?
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  • RoseParkRosePark  816Posted: WRX Points: 97Members Posts: 816 Golden Tee
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    https://clubchampiongolf.com/merchandise
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  • buckeyeflbuckeyefl  6103Posted: WRX Points: 1,101Members Posts: 6,103 Titanium Tees
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    dukeman wrote:


    Just asking.....companies go to great lengths to provide a perfectly smooth hitting surface so the wedge will be more accurate. Doesn't the rusting over time create an irregular surface hence less accuracy?




    nope
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  • Lacey UnderallLacey Underall  1214Posted: WRX Points: 114Members Posts: 1,214 Platinum Tees
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    dukeman wrote:


    Just asking.....companies go to great lengths to provide a perfectly smooth hitting surface so the wedge will be more accurate. Doesn't the rusting over time create an irregular surface hence less accuracy?


    Its an interesting thought. But I agree.......the answer is no. I'd say over 50% or more of the PGA tour players use raw wedges. Enough said there.
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    2019 WITB
    Driver: Callaway Rogue Sub-Zero 10.5* - Aldila Rogue Max 75x
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 15* - Aldila Rogue Max 85x
    2-PW: Callaway X-Prototype MBs - Project X 6.5 flighted
    52* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    58* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    Putter: Odyssey Sabertooth Versa
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  • EaglesGolf99EaglesGolf99 Foxboro, MA 2592Posted: WRX Points: 182Handicap: +0.8Members Posts: 2,592 Titanium Tees
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    RosePark wrote:


    https://clubchampiongolf.com/merchandise




    Wait!



    So that's in the US?



    EDIT ... So yes, my answer to my question is yes. Lol. Read little further, Goof.
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    2017 WORLD CHAMPION
    PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

    W. I. T. B.

    Callaway Epic Flash Star 10.5° Smoke Black 70 X
    Callaway TC Super Hybrid 17° Tourspec Speeder 904 X
    Callaway TC Apex Hybrid 18° Tourspec Speeder 904 X
    Callaway TC Apex Hybrid 23° Tourspec Speeder 904 X
    Miura Golf CB•301 5-6 Prototype iCWT 105 X
    Miura Golf CB•1008 7-9     Prototype iCWT 105 X
     Miura Raw Handgrind 46° | 06° Prototype iCWT 105 X
    Miura Raw Handgrind 52° | 10° Prototype iCWT 105 X
    Miura Raw Handgrind 58° | 10° Prototype iCWT 105 X
    Miura Golf Smoke KM•007 Stability EI GJ 1.0
    Bridgestone Golf Tour B XS
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  • thekangathekanga  145Posted: WRX Points: 53Members Posts: 145 Fairways
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    Just received this teaser picture. Picking them up on Sunday.



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  • Mark_CrossanMark_Crossan  279Posted: WRX Points: 73Members Posts: 279 Greens
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    Is there a place to get them in the US then now?



    I'm living in Australia now and they have them online here. If you're struggling then I can always help out If someone wants them shipping.



    I.e. Get them sent to my house and I can post them at the post office (obviously if you guys pay for the postage) if it's cheaper than ordering them off a foreign site and paying for postage.

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