Callaway APEX MB RAW

PontusPontus Members Posts: 38
So I just heard from a local fitter that Callaway are making the apex mb "raw" version available for leftys 2018 in Sweden. Huge fan of the look you get with a raw finish. But since they does not come cheap and I will use them for some years (I hope so atleast). How will the raw finish/ rust affect the life cycle compared to a forged non-raw finish??
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  • Lacey UnderallLacey Underall Members Posts: 1,173
    This has been one of my talking points for some time. I firmly believe that raw irons/wedges last longer. If you look at any used iron/wedge its typically the chrome finish that shows the wear. Why do people send their clubs off to get refinished? To put a fresh new coat of chrome on them! I only use raw wedges and they last forever. Unless you play on a really sandy surface (then you have no hope either way).
    2019 WITB
    Driver: Callaway Epic Flash Sub-Zero 10.5* - Project X Hzrdus Black 75 6.5
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 15* - Aldila Rogue Max 85x
    2-PW: Callaway X-Prototype MBs - Project X 6.5 flighted
    52* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    58* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    Putter: Odyssey Jailbird Mini
  • buckeyeflbuckeyefl Members Posts: 5,448 ✭✭
    Sand is the enemy!
  • toddba11toddba11 Moonlight Mile Members Posts: 578 ✭✭
    Is the RAW available in the US for right-handers?
    In the Bag:
    Driver - Titleist 915 D2 - Tensei White CK Pro Mitsubishi Rayon 70S, 45"
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 13.5 Rogue 75S
    Irons: 4 - PW Callaway Apex MBs 2018 - DG TI 120 S400 +1"
    3 Cobra Iron Utility Black with KBS $120 Shaft +1"
    PW: Vokey 7M 46,52 (both F grind),60 (M grind) degree. SW: Ping I10
    Hybrid: Cobra F7
    Putter: TP Mills High Toe ONE or TP Mills Bull Elf
    Ball: Pro V or Bridgestone RSX
    Bag: 2018 Sun Mountain C-130
  • PontusPontus Members Posts: 38


    This has been one of my talking points for some time. I firmly believe that raw irons/wedges last longer. If you look at any used iron/wedge its typically the chrome finish that shows the wear. Why do people send their clubs off to get refinished? To put a fresh new coat of chrome on them! I only use raw wedges and they last forever. Unless you play on a really sandy surface (then you have no hope either way).


    Thats interesting, so you feel like the groves stays sharper longer than non-raws? But refinish that's for looks only, I am right? If they got atleast the same life time as non-raws, Im all over these!


    toddba11 wrote:


    Is the RAW available in the US for right-handers?


    No idea. Weird if they were offered in europe but not the US?
  • toddba11toddba11 Moonlight Mile Members Posts: 578 ✭✭
    Agreed, I suspect st some point they will.
    In the Bag:
    Driver - Titleist 915 D2 - Tensei White CK Pro Mitsubishi Rayon 70S, 45"
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 13.5 Rogue 75S
    Irons: 4 - PW Callaway Apex MBs 2018 - DG TI 120 S400 +1"
    3 Cobra Iron Utility Black with KBS $120 Shaft +1"
    PW: Vokey 7M 46,52 (both F grind),60 (M grind) degree. SW: Ping I10
    Hybrid: Cobra F7
    Putter: TP Mills High Toe ONE or TP Mills Bull Elf
    Ball: Pro V or Bridgestone RSX
    Bag: 2018 Sun Mountain C-130
  • Jdavenp3Jdavenp3 Members Posts: 825 ✭✭
    toddba11 wrote:


    Agreed, I suspect st some point they will.






    This was a question that I asked in the Callaway Live Chat thread. Basically they aren't offering it in the US right now and there was more of a demand for it overseas. I really don't see how but surely we will see them at some point.
    WITB:

    *Taylormade M4 8.75* Evenflow Black HC 6.0 65g
    *Taylormade M4 15* Tensei Blue
    *Taylormade 2014 Rescue TP 18*
    *Taylormade P790 4-AW Nippon Modus 105 T stiff
    *Callaway MD3 Lucky Clover 56* & 60*
    *Taylormade Spider X-navy w/ single sightline
    *2019 ProV1X-yellow
    *Nike camo cart bag.
    *Nike Vapor React 2 & Nike Air Max 1g
  • toddba11toddba11 Moonlight Mile Members Posts: 578 ✭✭
    Great, good to know, thanks for the information. I love the look of those MBs, regardless, but the raw would be a nice option if I pull the trigger.

    In the Bag:
    Driver - Titleist 915 D2 - Tensei White CK Pro Mitsubishi Rayon 70S, 45"
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 13.5 Rogue 75S
    Irons: 4 - PW Callaway Apex MBs 2018 - DG TI 120 S400 +1"
    3 Cobra Iron Utility Black with KBS $120 Shaft +1"
    PW: Vokey 7M 46,52 (both F grind),60 (M grind) degree. SW: Ping I10
    Hybrid: Cobra F7
    Putter: TP Mills High Toe ONE or TP Mills Bull Elf
    Ball: Pro V or Bridgestone RSX
    Bag: 2018 Sun Mountain C-130
  • tobybeartobybear Members, Media Staffer Posts: 1,474 ✭✭
    having worked in golf retail its a very North American thing to have "shiny & bright"



    MANY moons ago I was a tech rep for a major OEM and the year I started this company stopped offering RAW wedges to consumers - you guys can figure this out. Anyways when I asked why - because it was always my preference, i was told it was because in pro shops and big box the average consumer never wanted to buy a club that was already rusted. They chose to abandon the RAW wedges instead of offer consumer education about the product anymore.



    I think it comes down to consumer preference and what sells in what markets. If it was up to me all my irons and wedges would be raw.
  • EaglesGolf99EaglesGolf99 (.... Formerly Known As RaidersGolf99) Foxboro, MAMembers Posts: 2,405 ✭✭
    I asked a similar question in the live chat too, I went unanswered though.



    Seriously though...



    Legacy Black Stenson's (Japan)

    1st Gen Epic Star Driver & Fairways (Japan)

    Epic Forged Driver (Japan)

    Apex MB Raw (Europe)



    What am I missing here, Callaway?



    Bonded Drivers and RAW Clubheads .... I gotta live outside the states to get them?
    2017 WORLD CHAMPION
    PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

    W. I. T. B.

    Callaway Epic Flash 9.0° HZRDUS Smoke Black 70 X
    Callaway TC Rogue 4+ 16.0° HZRDUS Smoke Black 80 X
    Callaway TC Apex 2H 18.0° Tour Spec Speeder 904HB X
    Callaway TC Apex 4H 23.0° Tour Spec Speeder 904HB X
    Callaway X-Forged UT 27.0° Steel Fiber i110 S
    Callaway X-Forged UT 30.0° Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura 1957 CB-57 7-8 Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura 1957 Baby Blade 9-P Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura Hand Grind Raw 52.0° / 10.0° Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura Hand Grind Raw 58.0° / 10.0° Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura 1957 KM-007 Soft Black Apollo APPN 36 Black Smoke S
    Callaway 2018 Chrome Soft X
  • EaglesGolf99EaglesGolf99 (.... Formerly Known As RaidersGolf99) Foxboro, MAMembers Posts: 2,405 ✭✭
    tobybear wrote:


    having worked in golf retail its a very North American thing to have "shiny & bright"



    MANY moons ago I was a tech rep for a major OEM and the year I started this company stopped offering RAW wedges to consumers - you guys can figure this out. Anyways when I asked why - because it was always my preference, i was told it was because in pro shops and big box the average consumer never wanted to buy a club that was already rusted. They chose to abandon the RAW wedges instead of offer consumer education about the product anymore.



    I think it comes down to consumer preference and what sells in what markets. If it was up to me all my irons and wedges would be raw.




    I think it was Nike who had the blue wax "headcovers" on it's Raw Wedges? ... Maybe it was Mizuno ... I forget, but I thought that was a really, really, good idea. Prevents the pre-purchase rust and protects from dings and dents as an added bonus. I understand it's probably a costly proposition to major OEM's, but I think a guy in the market to buy Raw Wedges, doesn't have an issue paying a couple extra bucks for the post production, pre sale, waxing process.



    JMO.
    2017 WORLD CHAMPION
    PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

    W. I. T. B.

    Callaway Epic Flash 9.0° HZRDUS Smoke Black 70 X
    Callaway TC Rogue 4+ 16.0° HZRDUS Smoke Black 80 X
    Callaway TC Apex 2H 18.0° Tour Spec Speeder 904HB X
    Callaway TC Apex 4H 23.0° Tour Spec Speeder 904HB X
    Callaway X-Forged UT 27.0° Steel Fiber i110 S
    Callaway X-Forged UT 30.0° Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura 1957 CB-57 7-8 Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura 1957 Baby Blade 9-P Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura Hand Grind Raw 52.0° / 10.0° Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura Hand Grind Raw 58.0° / 10.0° Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura 1957 KM-007 Soft Black Apollo APPN 36 Black Smoke S
    Callaway 2018 Chrome Soft X
  • tdk8180tdk8180 Members Posts: 2,405 ✭✭
    Raw finish is the best for irons and wedges in my opinion.



    Chrome is a clean look, but chrome will wear over time anyway.



    There is nothing like the feel of a raw wedge or iron. Any plating on metal will make the head feel harder.



    Raw irons are easier to work with asthetically. You can sand blast them, polish them, rust them, hand sand them, etc. You can do a rich black oxide, a rusty oil can patina, torch finish, polish to a natural silver metal finish. You cant do any of that with chrome plated finish.



    Raw is best!



  • LaymanMLaymanM Cincinnati, OHMembers Posts: 2,123 ✭✭
    No RAW in US. Have Apex MB chrome sitting in my bag. God I can’t wait for spring!
    PING G410 9* PX Evenflow Black 75 6.0
    PING G410 LST 3w PX Evenflow Black 85 6.0
    PING G410 5w PX Evenflow Black 85 6.0
    PING G410 4-PW AWT 2 0 stiff
    PING Stealth Glide 2.0 50ss/54ss/58ss
    PING Sigam G Tyne
  • fldawgfanfldawgfan Members Posts: 1
    LaymanM wrote:


    No RAW in US. Have Apex MB chrome sitting in my bag. God I can’t wait for spring!
    Oh well, I quest I will send my money to a shop in the UK, Australia, or Germany. Raw goes on sail there in a week or 2. They are listed on Callaway’s German website.
  • EaglesGolf99EaglesGolf99 (.... Formerly Known As RaidersGolf99) Foxboro, MAMembers Posts: 2,405 ✭✭
    ****. Crazy.



    Foreign Callaway beating up on Domestic Callaway ....



    Just my two cents.
    2017 WORLD CHAMPION
    PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

    W. I. T. B.

    Callaway Epic Flash 9.0° HZRDUS Smoke Black 70 X
    Callaway TC Rogue 4+ 16.0° HZRDUS Smoke Black 80 X
    Callaway TC Apex 2H 18.0° Tour Spec Speeder 904HB X
    Callaway TC Apex 4H 23.0° Tour Spec Speeder 904HB X
    Callaway X-Forged UT 27.0° Steel Fiber i110 S
    Callaway X-Forged UT 30.0° Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura 1957 CB-57 7-8 Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura 1957 Baby Blade 9-P Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura Hand Grind Raw 52.0° / 10.0° Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura Hand Grind Raw 58.0° / 10.0° Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura 1957 KM-007 Soft Black Apollo APPN 36 Black Smoke S
    Callaway 2018 Chrome Soft X
  • Lacey UnderallLacey Underall Members Posts: 1,173
    When the raw MB is released in Europe how can we get our hands on them in the States? Is there a website like TourSpec for Europe?
    2019 WITB
    Driver: Callaway Epic Flash Sub-Zero 10.5* - Project X Hzrdus Black 75 6.5
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 15* - Aldila Rogue Max 85x
    2-PW: Callaway X-Prototype MBs - Project X 6.5 flighted
    52* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    58* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    Putter: Odyssey Jailbird Mini
  • PontusPontus Members Posts: 38
    Says 19/1 on their Europe website. Just noticed the MB Raw shows up when viewing "left handed clubs" but the specs says RH only. Praying I'm not going to be bullied once again for being a lefty image/sad.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' />
  • PALS-SSAPALS-SSA Members Posts: 279 ✭✭
    I love raw and the way it feels.
  • PawtucketPawtucket Members Posts: 177
    ^ image/yes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':yes:' />
    whats in the bag?
    Cobra f8+ cut 1"
    Cobra F7 fairway
    Srixon z355
    Cleveland 48 wedge
    Ping 54 wedge
    Ping 58 ES wedge
    TM Soto putter
  • Lacey UnderallLacey Underall Members Posts: 1,173
    Okay just saw they have them up on the UK site:



    http://uk.callawaygolf.com/golf-clubs/iron-sets/irons-2018-apex-mb-oil-finish.html



    Must.....find....way....to.....acquire.
    2019 WITB
    Driver: Callaway Epic Flash Sub-Zero 10.5* - Project X Hzrdus Black 75 6.5
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 15* - Aldila Rogue Max 85x
    2-PW: Callaway X-Prototype MBs - Project X 6.5 flighted
    52* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    58* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    Putter: Odyssey Jailbird Mini
  • thekangathekanga Members Posts: 137 ✭✭
    I ordered from Australia and will pick them up when I'm there next month. Wish I could have ordered them in the US but nope.



  • tobybeartobybear Members, Media Staffer Posts: 1,474 ✭✭


    Okay just saw they have them up on the UK site:



    http://uk.callawaygo...oil-finish.html



    Must.....find....way....to.....acquire.




    Best advice is to find a friend to ship you a set thats the best bet vs, trying to buy online. I'm sure there's a GolfWRX friend who would be happy to help.



    On a side note, I know I would prefer the raw over chrome.
  • chipaudiochipaudio Members Posts: 1
    Is there a WRX member in Europe who would take this on? Please message me and I would love to work something out.
  • ZAPZAP ClubWRX Posts: 1,584 ClubWRX
    LaymanM wrote:


    No RAW in US. Have Apex MB chrome sitting in my bag. God I can't wait for spring!




    Wish I could say the same. Only new wedges this year. Too much college. Many college.

    Oh well I really like my Apex MBs that are a generation old very much so don't feel bad.
  • dukemandukeman Members Posts: 872 ✭✭
    Just asking.....companies go to great lengths to provide a perfectly smooth hitting surface so the wedge will be more accurate. Doesn’t the rusting over time create an irregular surface hence less accuracy?
  • RoseParkRosePark Members Posts: 758 ✭✭
    Going minimalist....

    PXG 0811XF 9* Gen 2 Evenflow White 65x
    PXG O341X 15* Gen 2 TP7HDx
    PXG 0311x 23* Altus Tour H8x
    PXG 0311T 31* Modus Tour 105x
    PXG 0311T 39* Modus Tour 105x
    PXG 0311T 47* Modus Tour 105x
    Tour Issued Milled Grind Raw 54* Modus Tour 120x
    Odyssey Miami Dolphins 2 ball

  • buckeyeflbuckeyefl Members Posts: 5,448 ✭✭
    dukeman wrote:


    Just asking.....companies go to great lengths to provide a perfectly smooth hitting surface so the wedge will be more accurate. Doesn't the rusting over time create an irregular surface hence less accuracy?




    nope
  • Lacey UnderallLacey Underall Members Posts: 1,173
    dukeman wrote:


    Just asking.....companies go to great lengths to provide a perfectly smooth hitting surface so the wedge will be more accurate. Doesn't the rusting over time create an irregular surface hence less accuracy?


    Its an interesting thought. But I agree.......the answer is no. I'd say over 50% or more of the PGA tour players use raw wedges. Enough said there.
    2019 WITB
    Driver: Callaway Epic Flash Sub-Zero 10.5* - Project X Hzrdus Black 75 6.5
    3 Wood: Callaway Epic 15* - Aldila Rogue Max 85x
    2-PW: Callaway X-Prototype MBs - Project X 6.5 flighted
    52* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    58* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind
    Putter: Odyssey Jailbird Mini
  • EaglesGolf99EaglesGolf99 (.... Formerly Known As RaidersGolf99) Foxboro, MAMembers Posts: 2,405 ✭✭
    edited Jan 31, 2018 #29
    RosePark wrote:




    Wait!



    So that's in the US?



    EDIT ... So yes, my answer to my question is yes. Lol. Read little further, Goof.
    2017 WORLD CHAMPION
    PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

    W. I. T. B.

    Callaway Epic Flash 9.0° HZRDUS Smoke Black 70 X
    Callaway TC Rogue 4+ 16.0° HZRDUS Smoke Black 80 X
    Callaway TC Apex 2H 18.0° Tour Spec Speeder 904HB X
    Callaway TC Apex 4H 23.0° Tour Spec Speeder 904HB X
    Callaway X-Forged UT 27.0° Steel Fiber i110 S
    Callaway X-Forged UT 30.0° Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura 1957 CB-57 7-8 Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura 1957 Baby Blade 9-P Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura Hand Grind Raw 52.0° / 10.0° Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura Hand Grind Raw 58.0° / 10.0° Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura 1957 KM-007 Soft Black Apollo APPN 36 Black Smoke S
    Callaway 2018 Chrome Soft X
  • thekangathekanga Members Posts: 137 ✭✭
    Just received this teaser picture. Picking them up on Sunday.



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  • Mark_CrossanMark_Crossan Members Posts: 277 ✭✭
    Is there a place to get them in the US then now?



    I'm living in Australia now and they have them online here. If you're struggling then I can always help out If someone wants them shipping.



    I.e. Get them sent to my house and I can post them at the post office (obviously if you guys pay for the postage) if it's cheaper than ordering them off a foreign site and paying for postage.

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