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In a few weeks, I am going to pull the trigger on a set of Edel SLS-01 irons. I got fitted in November and after making repairs to my home in the wake of Hurricane Harvey, can finally order them.
I am curious as to those of you that made the switch how it's going, are you still happy with the performance, and if you're staying with it. I am also curious to hear from those of you that have gone back to variable length irons, and why you switched back.
Thanks in advance.
I am curious as to those of you that made the switch how it's going, are you still happy with the performance, and if you're staying with it. I am also curious to hear from those of you that have gone back to variable length irons, and why you switched back.
Thanks in advance.
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Used Cobra F7s all year, 106 rounds total. Used to tinker and mess with irons but now I ended up selling my backup set which would be unheard of 1-5 years ago.
Handicap dropped from 5.X to 2.3 not all due to them but they were a huge addition. I shot more rounds in the 60s than the last five years combined. Defended my club championship and the clubs never gave me a worry.
I gained consistency in practice and play. Less tinkering and thinking about ball position, setup, takeaway, etc. I was able to practice less and play more because I could bring one club to the range. All the same haha.
I don’t see myself switching unless Ping comes out with a set.
I battled the low ball long irons that problem was real for me. I ended up putting the Ball forward a tad with all clubs to increase launch and it helped tremendously.
I did have some bunching issues with the 4-5-6 but dropped the 4 for a hybrid and it worked out. My wedges and mid irons gapped perfectly according to game golf gps tags.
I could not recommend them more although your mileage may vary. It’s a weird feeling hitting a LW the length of a 7 iron!
It sounds like an infomercial and I apologize but just be open minded and willing to try it. Might be a home run for you.
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Thanks for the report.
I am sold on the idea and have hit some SL irons and loved the short irons...it felt RIGHT to me. I just wanted to make sure before I dropped the coin on the Edel Irons.
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I hit the short irons a bit too high. But it was nice to know I could fly the ball over most any obstacle! Some lessons and gym time improved my swing, so in hindsight I would have gotten stiffer or heavier shafts.
I'm selling my F7 and ordering some F8 with a different shaft.
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9* G400 Max w/ Xcalibur TSL Tour Stiff and Custom MicroPerf Golf Grip
14* Callaway XR 16 Pro w/ ProjectX Hzrdus Red 75 6.0 and Custom Christmas Golf Grip
3-GW Edel SLS-01 w/ Paderson SL 95g Stiff and alternating Patriotic and Augusta Leather Golf Grips
55* Edel Come and Take It TRP Handmade w/ KBS Tour Wedge Stiff and Come and Take It Golf Grip
59* Edel PNR Handmade w/ KBS Tour Wedge Stiff and Augusta Leather Golf Grip
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Bag: Ping Hoofer Camo / Vessel Sunday Bag
Driver: Ping G400 SFT @ 10*
Wood: Cobra King F8 @ 17*
Hybrids: Cobra King F8 22* & 25*
Irons: Wishon Sterling SL 6-SW
Wedge: KZG Forged TRS Grind 60*
Putter: SGC WB Northwood
Lovingly built by: Dan's Custom Golf
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I am sold on the concept.
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Hybrid: Titleist 816 H1, 19*
Long Iron: Ping iE1, 26*
Mid Iron: Ping iE1, 32*
Short Iron: Ping iE1, 41*
Wedge: Ping iE1, 45*
Gap: Ping Glide SS, 52*
Lob: Ping Glide ES, 60*
Putter: Yes Callie Mid, 41"
Ball: Bridgestone Tour B XS
Bag: Ping Mascot
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FW - Ping G400 5W, 16.9° (small -), Alta CB R flex, stock length
Hybrid - Ping G400 3H,4H & 5H, Alta CB R flex, stock length
Putter - Odyssey 2019 Seven Slant Stroke Lab with stock grip, 35"
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Tatortot, if you want to try again, look at Pinhawks thru ValueGolf. Relatively inexpensive and if you can build your own, even better.
FW - Ping G400 5W, 16.9° (small -), Alta CB R flex, stock length
Hybrid - Ping G400 3H,4H & 5H, Alta CB R flex, stock length
Putter - Odyssey 2019 Seven Slant Stroke Lab with stock grip, 35"
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I have though about that ... thank you for tempting me to spend more money
Hybrid: Titleist 816 H1, 19*
Long Iron: Ping iE1, 26*
Mid Iron: Ping iE1, 32*
Short Iron: Ping iE1, 41*
Wedge: Ping iE1, 45*
Gap: Ping Glide SS, 52*
Lob: Ping Glide ES, 60*
Putter: Yes Callie Mid, 41"
Ball: Bridgestone Tour B XS
Bag: Ping Mascot
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Dave Tuttelman's article and Tom Wishon's feedback has been significant in customizing the set.
http://tutelman.com/...ngleLength1.php
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Some people do great with single length, and some people do great with something more like a standard 1/2 gapped set and some people perform better with something in between.
Myself, my short irons are 1" over length and my LW, SW, GW, PW, and 9 iron are all the same length. My clubs go up 1/4 from there. 6 iron is about standard. 5 Iron and 4 iron are shorter than standard. I have a bit of lead tape on my long irons and was lucky that my short iron had some tip weights in them and I removed them. My LW and SW were ported to remove weight.
My newest irons just got here and they are standard right now while I play with SW and my most comfortable length in the set. I have been adding lead tape in the mid and long irons until I get the feeling I like and then will build off of that iron.
I think where most people run into issues are with the long irons. At normal length they run into issues with hitting them solid. At the reduced length they hit them more solidly, but lower and most of the time shorter which affects gaps.
Fairway - Cobra F9 on UST Axivcore Black
Others - Srixon 785 5 Wood on UST Axivcore Black or TM UDI 2 iron on Catalyst 100 6.5 or Ping G400 17*
Irons - (4-P) Taylormade 790's on Project X Catalyst 6.5
Wedges - Cleveland Rotex 3.0 50* & 55*, Rotex 4.0 60* on Recoil 110 F5
Putter - Mannkrafted MA/66 or Taylormade Spider
Ball - TM TP5x or Srixon Z Star XV
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Now for my 2 cents on the matter of yay or nay on SL: While I really enjoyed the SL experience and still believe it's an excellent way to simplify the fundamentals and clear your head of much of the extra nonsense that we tend to cram in there, I'm moving back to standard length. Using the single length clubs really helped me find some nice fluidity and consistency in my swing.. which I know is part of the concept and I do still believe it's an excellent way to play the game. All that said, for me, I'm becoming a bit bored with the simplicity of things. Don't take offense as this is just me and the way my head works. I'm now looking to take my sharpened fundamentals and apply them in a more complex manner with a standard length more bladed set. This is my way of pushing myself further, and proving to myself that I know enough about swing mechanics to make the proper corrections to handle the extra challenges that can come with a standard length set. I just hope this doesn't all backfire on me and I find myself completely deprogrammed from standard length.
I'd be interested to know if any of the folks playing single length have felt the same feelings or if I'm just on crazy pills.
Cheers!
Stu
Cobra Amp Cell 4 wood
Maltby KE4 Tour 3h
Maltby DBM Irons 4-GW
Cobra King 56 and 60* wedges
Cleveland Huntington Beach #11 Putter
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Shortest SL club is Sand wedge. The only non SL iron I carry is the 59* and it is 36", I believe.
9* G400 Max w/ Xcalibur TSL Tour Stiff and Custom MicroPerf Golf Grip
14* Callaway XR 16 Pro w/ ProjectX Hzrdus Red 75 6.0 and Custom Christmas Golf Grip
3-GW Edel SLS-01 w/ Paderson SL 95g Stiff and alternating Patriotic and Augusta Leather Golf Grips
55* Edel Come and Take It TRP Handmade w/ KBS Tour Wedge Stiff and Come and Take It Golf Grip
59* Edel PNR Handmade w/ KBS Tour Wedge Stiff and Augusta Leather Golf Grip
Artisan Golf #0036 0217 w/ Zach Use Only Putter Grip or 0318 w/ Prototype Leather Putter Grip
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I went all in.
4-LW all same lie,length,weight,grip etc.
I carry a 16 degree hybrid I use mostly as a driving iron that is conventional length. Although I am looking into the idea of the F8 single length hybrids.
I could see guys doing a different setup or tiered system, but I wanted to fully commit as I used to hit 500+ balls at the range. Having all my clubs the same length has made my practice so much easier. I literally had times where I would just grab a 5 and LW or a 7 and PW after work and go to the range for a quick grooving session or some fundamental/mirror work. This part gets glossed over a lot or ignored, but it was awesome for me.
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I'm "all-in" as well. My 59* is 36.5".
This loft and length combo seems to keep me from de-lofting, and holy cow does that 59* go high. Loving it.
Aldila Rogue Black, 9.5*
In1Zone Single Length Fairway Woods
Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue
Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue
Cobra F7 One Length Irons
Nippon Modus 105 Stiff @ 36.5"
6I = 24* 7I = 29* 8I = 34* 9I = 39* PW = 44* GW = 49* SW = 54* LW = 59*
Odyssey #9 HT Metal X Milled
Maxfli SoftFli
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5W Wilson Fybrid
4h, 5h, 6h Adams Idea Tech 2015
6-AW Snake Eyes Viper MS, graphite
58º Callaway MD2 Forged S grind
Odyssey Jailbird Mini
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5W Wilson Fybrid
4h, 5h, 6h Adams Idea Tech 2015
6-AW Snake Eyes Viper MS, graphite
58º Callaway MD2 Forged S grind
Odyssey Jailbird Mini
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Rawdog,
Did you order your Cobras at 36.5"? If so, do you know if they were built with the normal swingweight, or lighter?
5W Wilson Fybrid
4h, 5h, 6h Adams Idea Tech 2015
6-AW Snake Eyes Viper MS, graphite
58º Callaway MD2 Forged S grind
Odyssey Jailbird Mini
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I did order them that way. When I was experimenting in 2016, I built my own at 36.5.
I did not request any changes to swingweight, as that's what I was used to. So I assume they would be lighter swingweight, especially since I play 4 wraps of tape under a standard grip.
If you call them to order, they'll make whatever you want. I requested 65* lie and custom lofts and they worked with me to get that done, too. Hence, my 6i plays at the loft of a 5i.
Aldila Rogue Black, 9.5*
In1Zone Single Length Fairway Woods
Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue
Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue
Cobra F7 One Length Irons
Nippon Modus 105 Stiff @ 36.5"
6I = 24* 7I = 29* 8I = 34* 9I = 39* PW = 44* GW = 49* SW = 54* LW = 59*
Odyssey #9 HT Metal X Milled
Maxfli SoftFli
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Fast forward, I tried some Cobra Forged One irons and then some F7 OLs and surprised how much better the strikes felt. I really liked it and gapping was nice.
Fast forward some more, instead of getting the F7, the F8 was announced and talking with DD, they recommended the F8 so I ordered them in the first week of Jan this year. This time I got the KBS Tour V shaft instead of the True Temper OL. This is the same shaft as my Ping Ansers except the flex (stiff 110gm vs x-stiff 120 gm in my Ansers) but thats fine. I got the x-flex in the Ansers to lower the trajectory of my shots and trajectory is not an issue here. I don't think.
Today, my Tour V F8 OLs 4 to PW arrived. The 4 and 5 iron heads looked chunky but thats OK (I have G25 irons in the house, can't get any chunkier than those heads). Looks much nicer than the F7s. Personally, I think the Forged Tec One length could be nicer...but thats another time.
Plus I got a nice deal with DD here especially with their $50 off already their prices, I cannot complain.
I threw them into the bag tonight for tomorrow's round.
Golf is gonna get interesting. As side note, I am keeping my 50*, 52* and 56* wedges, no changes there.I'll report back on my experiment.
Honma 737 13* 3 wood, Vizard A 50S shaft
Honma 737 18* 5 wood, Vizard A 50S shaft
Taylormade UDI 2 iron, 18* KBS C-Taper Lite
Taylormade P790 4-PW, Dynamic Gold 105 S300 with ProSoft inserts, Pure Wrap grips
Ben Hogan 2018 Equalizer 48* and 52* Forged wedges
Nike Engage Toe Sweep 56* wedge
Directed Force Reno "2.05" (Presse IV tweaked) Putter with BGT Stability shaft
Ball: Srixon XV, 2019 Taylormade TP-5x
Swing: PPGS, a Surgite !!!
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3-Wood: Mizuno ST190
19-Hybrid: Mizuno CLK
22-Hybrid: Mizuno CLK
4-iron - PW: Titleist 716 T-MB
GW, SW: Titleist Vokey SM7
Putter: Bobby Grace Lucky 7 Broomstick
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PING Eye 2 + Becu 3-W with DG AMT S300
PING Eye 2 XG Sand and Lob wedges
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I posted sort of a review on another thread a while ago. Here is it again.
Clubs used
Cobra Forged One with steel shaft KBS 120 gram, off the rack stock set (with correct lie angle for me).
Edel SLS-01 with graphite shafts 95 gram, ordered to detailed specifications.
Estetics
The Forged One clubhead has a look similar to an MB iron with minimal offset and a thin topline.
The Edel SLS-01 clubhead is slightly shorter with zero offset and has a very thick topline. I prefer the more classic look of the Cobra clubhead.
The Paderson graphite shats on the Edel irons is very nice looking.
Feel
When striking the Cobra Forged One iron it feels like striking an MB iron, similar to Mizuno or Titleist, nice butterly smooth feel.
The feel of the Edel SLS-01 irons are very different. The hollow club head design is felt in the strike. When striking it, it feels like a SGI iron similar to the Titleist T-MB irons.
It is difficult to compare the feel of the two sets when one of the sets have steel shafts and the other one graphite shafts. I do love graphite shafts in my irons. It takes away vibrations from off center hits.
Custom fitting
The Cobras have standard custom fitting features like most big OEMs. Lie and shaft length can be adjusted as well as several different shaft types.
THe Edel SLS-01 also have these option as well as the possibility to adjust the weight of the club head. This is a very good feature, no need for lead tape on the club head.
There is no Edel custom fitting service near where I live. That´s not a big problem for me having played golf for 30 years with high interest in golf equipment. Over the years I´ve learnt which specifications suit me and it was possible to order the SLS-01 to these specs.
Gapping
Both sets give me similar distances on irons 6 - GW. The 5 iron in SLS-01 travels a couple of meters further than the 5 iron in Cobra Forged One.
The SW is 55 degrees in SLS-01 and 56 degrees in Cobra. This makes the gapping better in SLS-01 with a SW tha goes 5 meters longer than the SW in the Cobra set.
Wedges
The Cobra ONE wedges (SW and LW) are very good for shots around the green, out of rough and out of the sand. My only problem with them are the lofts which do not give good gapping distances.
The Edel do not have a LW and the SW is not designed for chips and pitches around the green and is not very functional out of the sand. It is like a PW with 55 degrees of loft. So you need do add a wedge when playing with SLS-01.
Final verdict
I could game either one of these sets. Out of the two sets I will continue to play the Edel SLS-01 for next season. This is becuse it has better specs suited for me and because I like the graphite shafts. I am also getting more positive to the explosive (SGI) feel of the clubs.
3-Wood: Mizuno ST190
19-Hybrid: Mizuno CLK
22-Hybrid: Mizuno CLK
4-iron - PW: Titleist 716 T-MB
GW, SW: Titleist Vokey SM7
Putter: Bobby Grace Lucky 7 Broomstick
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PING Crossover - 3
PING Eye 2 + Becu 3-W with DG AMT S300
PING Eye 2 XG Sand and Lob wedges
PING Chipo!
PING Pal - Karsten