Anybody use 17 / 21 hybrid combo and dump fairway woods??

[twgolf78]

I haven't hit a good fairway shot in 10 years.

 

Did you end up with the xforged 2018 or the Ap2s?

 

http://www.golfwrx.c...4#entry16526434

 

If you literally haven't hit a good fairway in 10 years, you may need more forgiveness in your irons.

 

I'm mostly messing with you, but this thread is a perfect example of how we make up nonsense in our heads to try to explain our games. There is no way you got the best numbers out of all the irons you tried with a forged blade and you literally cannot hit a 3 wood.

 

I almost play to scratch and still can't hit a fairway wood...

[pinestreetgolf]

I haven't hit a good fairway shot in 10 years.

 

Did you end up with the xforged 2018 or the Ap2s?

 

http://www.golfwrx.c...4#entry16526434

 

If you literally haven't hit a good fairway in 10 years, you may need more forgiveness in your irons.

 

I'm mostly messing with you, but this thread is a perfect example of how we make up nonsense in our heads to try to explain our games. There is no way you got the best numbers out of all the irons you tried with a forged blade and you literally cannot hit a 3 wood.

 

I almost play to scratch and still can't hit a fairway wood...

 

Have you hit a good one at any time in the last ten years?

[twgolf78]

I haven't hit a good fairway shot in 10 years.

 

Did you end up with the xforged 2018 or the Ap2s?

 

http://www.golfwrx.c...4#entry16526434

 

If you literally haven't hit a good fairway in 10 years, you may need more forgiveness in your irons.

 

I'm mostly messing with you, but this thread is a perfect example of how we make up nonsense in our heads to try to explain our games. There is no way you got the best numbers out of all the irons you tried with a forged blade and you literally cannot hit a 3 wood.

 

I almost play to scratch and still can't hit a fairway wood...

 

Have you hit a good one at any time in the last ten years?

 

honestly not too many - topped a 3 wood on number 10 in my club championship - at that point I was 2 under and tied for the lead.

[irishmike27]

I’ve finally found a modern 4 wood I’m comfortable with, that replaces an extremely old school laminated maple 4 wood. I’ve thought about the low lofted hybrid option too. Not a great player, but I feel the tendency to try to get something extra out of a club happens WAY more with a fairway than a hybrid-which is why so many of us have a hard time with them.

[J2putts]

I've actually been contemplating this as well. I hit 3 wood off the deck last year MAYBE ten times ? I have a 19 degree and 22 degree hybrid. The 19 degree i use 99% of the time for my 2nd shot on par 5's. Hit it comfortably around 220. Definitely thinking about ditching the 3 wood , 3 hybrid and going with a 2 hybrid and maybe a 20 degree hybrid ...then into 4 thru wedges

[pinestreetgolf]

honestly not too many - topped a 3 wood on number 10 in my club championship - at that point I was 2 under and tied for the lead.

 

Agree you should drop the 3 wood then. After Mahan stubbed that chip in the Ryder Cup he should have added an alien wedge because he obviously just can't hit wedges.

 

You hit enough 3 woods, you'll hit some that stink. Golf is played in grey. Nobody with your stated skill "can't hit" a fairway wood. You're worse than your expectation, which is translated to "can't hit" in your head, which leads to bad decisions. Its like Hoffman from earlier in the thread. He was better from 100 than 50 but the 50 shot still gave him the better score. The issue is that people think "which of these two clubs do i hit better relative to how i think i should be able to hit them i.e. which is less embarrassing" not "which of these two clubs do i score lower with over time". That's not even close to the same thing. Embarrassment over topping a 3 wood is a much more powerful emotion than disappointment at scoring a bit lower because your gapping isn't great (which is why people bag easier to hit clubs that don't make sense distance wise in their bag) but if all we care about is score then the embarrassment is irrelevant.

 

I mean, come on. We have plus caps and guys who game forged blades down to 3 iron telling us they "can't hit" a SGI three wood. I'm sure I'll get a ton of "you can't tell people their game" nonsense but that is ridiculous. What they mean is "I can't hit it as well as I and the people I play with think I should be able to, and its embarrassing."

 

Score is all that matters when building a bag. Good gapping leads to lower scores for good golfers.

 

There are worse golfers who shouldn't play a 3 wood. This isn't directed at them.

[J2putts]

Ugh, this again. "Hey guys, struggling with my six iron. Considering pulling it for a seven iron. It goes shorter, but I can hit it better. Thoughts?"

 

*massive eye roll*

 

It doesn't matter how good you hit the club. Build your bag for the shots you need on the course not so they look pretty while you come up 15 yards short. If your course allows for a 17 hybrid into the par 5s, play it. If not, play a 3 wood.

 

You don't play an iron set that only has the irons your good at hitting in it, you play an iron set that has solid gapping. You don't play woods that only has the clubs you are good at hitting in it, you play a wood set that has solid gapping.

 

I haven't hit a good fairway shot in 10 years.

 

Right, so the guy who was asking us in another thread which set of incredibly hard to hit blades to get hasn't hit a good fairway shot in a decade. OK.

and what good is that gapping when you have a club at a certain yardage that you struggle to hit somewhat consistently !? Idk how keeping a club in your bag that you may hit the gapping yardage once out of only 5 times you swing helps your game?

[mukster]

I have driver, 3 wood, 17 and 21 degree hybrids. My 17 is s beast when I am swinging well, but it is more like a 5 wood and the 3 wood deserves its place in the bag. One less wedge for me, so this could eventually change.

[EaglesGolf99]

I went 16° & 20° Hybrid last Saturday, 5 days ago!

 

The Swing Doc and I have been strictly working on this and have come to the conclusion that after a series of swing changes my swing just doesn't gel with a Fairway Wood any longer.

 

Driver

16° Hybrid (ETL closer to 14.5°)

20° Hybrid (ETL closer to 18.5°)

23° Hybrid (ETL closer to 21.5°)

26° Hybrid (ETL closer to 25.0°)

6-P (32°-48°)

52°

58°

Putter

 

Haven't decided on a 14th club.

 

[acemandrake]

I went 16° & 20° Hybrid last Saturday, 5 days ago!

 

The Swing Doc and I have been strictly working on this and have come to the conclusion that after a series of swing changes my swing just doesn't gel with a Fairway Wood any longer.

 

Driver

16° Hybrid (ETL closer to 14.5°)

20° Hybrid (ETL closer to 18.5°)

23° Hybrid (ETL closer to 21.5°)

26° Hybrid (ETL closer to 25.0°)

6-P (32°-48°)

52°

58°

Putter

 

Haven't decided on a 14th club.

 

 

What does "ETL" stand for? (Effective ___ Loft?)

[Mych]

 

 

I went 16° & 20° Hybrid last Saturday, 5 days ago!

 

The Swing Doc and I have been strictly working on this and have come to the conclusion that after a series of swing changes my swing just doesn't gel with a Fairway Wood any longer.

 

Driver

16° Hybrid (ETL closer to 14.5°)

20° Hybrid (ETL closer to 18.5°)

23° Hybrid (ETL closer to 21.5°)

26° Hybrid (ETL closer to 25.0°)

6-P (32°-48°)

52°

58°

Putter

 

Haven't decided on a 14th club.

 

 

What does "ETL" stand for? (Effective ___ Loft?)

 

Good question... True? Total? I can't figure it out either.

[TheMotorCity]

I tried to go with a hybrid to replace my 5 wood. Distance gaps were to far apart, plus I turn into a hook machine with hybrids.

[lacosteguy]

I use a 17 and 21 combo...and makes all the help in the world for me. For the short par 4's, long par 5's, I use the 17 and know I will be long and straight. I'm sure I could squeeze out a few more yards from a 3 wood, but no chance it will be as accurate and forgiving.

[pinestreetgolf]

I use a 17 and 21 combo...and makes all the help in the world for me. For the short par 4's, long par 5's, I use the 17 and know I will be long and straight. I'm sure I could squeeze out a few more yards from a 3 wood, but no chance it will be as accurate and forgiving.

 

This thinking is why i post in these threads. Why do you assume shorter and straighter = better score?

 

Shouldn't you evaluate the clubs based on which produces the lower scores, not which produces the prettiest shots?

[EaglesGolf99]

I went 16° & 20° Hybrid last Saturday, 5 days ago!

 

The Swing Doc and I have been strictly working on this and have come to the conclusion that after a series of swing changes my swing just doesn't gel with a Fairway Wood any longer.

 

Driver

16° Hybrid (ETL closer to 14.5°)

20° Hybrid (ETL closer to 18.5°)

23° Hybrid (ETL closer to 21.5°)

26° Hybrid (ETL closer to 25.0°)

6-P (32°-48°)

52°

58°

Putter

 

Haven't decided on a 14th club.

 

 

What does "ETL" stand for? (Effective ___ Loft?)

 

Effective True Loft

 

.... Taking into consideration the face angle.

 

When I first got my 1H, that sucker was 7.5° Open! I've since had it squared up a bit to 6.0° Open! LMAO!

[matchavez]

I use a 17 and 21 combo...and makes all the help in the world for me. For the short par 4's, long par 5's, I use the 17 and know I will be long and straight. I'm sure I could squeeze out a few more yards from a 3 wood, but no chance it will be as accurate and forgiving.

 

This thinking is why i post in these threads. Why do you assume shorter and straighter = better score?

 

Shouldn't you evaluate the clubs based on which produces the lower scores, not which produces the prettiest shots?

 

Pine, for a dude who faps over stats, you need to chill on something you’re wrong about.

 

If someone doesn’t have a shot in their repertoire, the stats say drop the club. If you hit a 7-iron 140, and you top half your 3-Woods for an average of 130, then what’s the play? You know it isn’t 3-wood.

 

If someone flushes a 2h, but fails at a 3w, telling them to keep playing the 3w is just bad dogma. The statistics are simple; after driver, you should be playing the club you can consistently hit longest off the ground.

 

It is not “you should play the longest club off the deck 3w only because stats”. If you carry your concept to the absurd, you should be hitting driver off the deck with that rationale. That’s not practical.

 

All due respect, you lose credibility this way.

[elwhippy]

My current set up is 15.5 degree Steelhead 4+ with a 17 degree Ping G400 and 21 Degree R15. On the range last week I hit the hybrid further than the 4+. The Cally is easier to hit but no longer.

[asw7576]

I am with 19 and 25 hybrids.

 

I gave up fw last year ... ( 3 years of bad relationships )

[pinestreetgolf]

Pine, for a dude who faps over stats, you need to chill on something you're wrong about.

 

The statistics are simple; after driver, you should be playing the club you can consistently hit longest off the ground.

 

I totally agree with your post. The poster himself said the three wood is longer off the ground.

 

Speaking of taking things to extremes, I'm obviously not advocating topping four three woods a round. I'm suggesting that people judge the quality of a shot based on how it looks and feels and not the scores it creates because they "keep track" using a mixture of memory and emotion, which is going to weight heavily toward massively embarrassing or rewarding shots - its how our brains work. High and straight is only good if your alignment is good, for example. I've literally played a round with a guy who cursed after thinning a mid-iron to the back fringe but, on a par 3, hit a gorgeous shot into the water, turned to me and said "got it good though" while smiling. It went in the damn water, and he is telling himself "good job" - meanwhile the other one is on the green, and he is storing "bad shot".

 

I'm not arguing that more people should hit 3 wood out of some sort of blind dogma, I'm arguing more people should hit longer clubs and be more aggressive because *they are better than they think they are with those clubs*. Our brains are trained to avoid embarrassment and fear more than they are incentivized to get after it. I think a whole lot of people would score lower if they played clubs based on their actual games and not the narrative they've made up in their head about their games.

 

You'll note that in the post I replied to the gentleman talked at length about why he plays a hybrid instead of a three wood. How many times did he mention score?

 

Not once.

 

if someone actually measures it and determines - over a reasonable sample - that they are significantly better with a higher lofted wood and 3 wood is a wasted spot, you won't hear a peep from me. But these memories and desires to hit pretty shots masquerading as scoring statistics lead to awful decisions.

[matchavez]

Pine, for a dude who faps over stats, you need to chill on something you're wrong about.

 

The statistics are simple; after driver, you should be playing the club you can consistently hit longest off the ground.

 

I totally agree with your post. The poster himself said the three wood is longer off the ground.

 

Speaking of taking things to extremes, I'm obviously not advocating topping four three woods a round. I'm suggesting that people judge the quality of a shot based on how it looks and feels and not the scores it creates because they "keep track" using a mixture of memory and emotion, which is going to weight heavily toward massively embarrassing or rewarding shots - its how our brains work. High and straight is only good if your alignment is good, for example. I've literally played a round with a guy who cursed after thinning a mid-iron to the back fringe but, on a par 3, hit a gorgeous shot into the water, turned to me and said "got it good though" while smiling. It went in the damn water, and he is telling himself "good job" - meanwhile the other one is on the green, and he is storing "bad shot".

 

I'm not arguing that more people should hit 3 wood out of some sort of blind dogma, I'm arguing more people should hit longer clubs and be more aggressive because *they are better than they think they are with those clubs*. Our brains are trained to avoid embarrassment and fear more than they are incentivized to get after it. I think a whole lot of people would score lower if they played clubs based on their actual games and not the narrative they've made up in their head about their games.

 

You'll note that in the post I replied to the gentleman talked at length about why he plays a hybrid instead of a three wood. How many times did he mention score?

 

Not once.

 

if someone actually measures it and determines - over a reasonable sample - that they are significantly better with a higher lofted wood and 3 wood is a wasted spot, you won't hear a peep from me. But these memories and desires to hit pretty shots masquerading as scoring statistics lead to awful decisions.

 

OK, fair enough. I think you're fighting an impossible fight in this, however. People, generally, are terrible at estimating frequency odds and anything with a fuzzy outcome. Lotteries and casinos exist...

[np78]

i noticed mizuno has an excellent reviewed CLK in 16 deg - 16 22 might be an amazing combo! gatta give them a go.

[terminalvertigo]

I'm planning on using 915D2 / 17* H1 /21* H1 myself this year :)

[Pulric1]

My touring friend just made the switch and really liking it. Granted he has a 180+ ball speed...

[1Mordrid1]

As someone who has a tendency to hit down on everything I have not gotten along very well with fairway woods in the past. But I did finally find one that fits my eye and gets along just well enough with my swing to be a useful club.

[taemorin]

I use a 17/22 combo

[Jack Pearsall]

JP will use a 17 and a 21 but neither go as far as a 15* with it’s longer shaft.

[Crazy 8]

IMO your giving up the long 3 wood to a Par 5 (rarely required I assume) and swopping into an additional wedge which will be used more on all par 5's and 4's and maybe 3's, seems to make sense for you.

 

I like my 3 wood for tee shots and when I need 235-250 yards into the green. I also have the 16 hybrid/2 iron as a 4/5 wood alternative (210-225 yards). I prefer the 52/58 wedge option for me.

 

I would swop the 16 hybrid into a 4/5 wood if I live in an area that needs the extra high stopping shot.

[joesgonegolfing]

I don't care for fairway woods and always played a 2 iron. This past year I found the G400 Hybrids and love them. They feel as good in my hand as my PW. I swap out the 26 Hybrid and the 4 iron depending on mood and if the course has some really long par 3's.

[noaces06]

I didn't dump the 3 wood - still used for LONG par 5s and off the tee but I do go 17* / 23* hybrids.

 

All 3 get pretty solid amount of use, but off the deck I prefer hybrids all day long.

[BForrester]

I've never liked fairway woods off the deck. I only carry 3w (15) and 3h (19), but the 3w is reserved for the tee box. If I need to hit more than 225 into a green, I'm better off laying up.