Jump to content

M3 and M4 are junk


SomedayScratch

Recommended Posts

Anyone had the chance to hit the M3 and M4 demos? I did last week, and I do not like them at all. They look and feel cheap and don't feel good off the face. Switched back to my G30 and gained 15 yards and accuracy. Also tried out the G400 and hit that really well. I think the G400, M1, and M2 are superior clubs.

 

Anyone else get a chance to hit them? Thoughts?

 

EDIT: Sorry, "Junk" might have been a little aggressive lol, I just think they are way overhyped... The purpose of this post was to get your thoughts about the M3 and M4, my apologies if I offended anyone by calling them junk... Some seem offended. I used the term junk because they just feel cheap and weird to me. Maybe its the color scheme, maybe its how they feel at impact. Not sure. Just something doesn't seem right with these clubs.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 60
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Agree. I like my 2016 M2, 2017 M1, and 2017 M2 much better. I wouldn't say they are junk, but they are certainly not any better. Same with Rogue. Keeping my Epic.

Srixon ZX5 Driver 10.5* Evenflow Riptide 50 6.0

Srixon ZX Fairway 15* Evenflow Riptide 60 6.0

Srixon ZX Fairway 21* Evenflow Riptide 70 6.0

Srixon ZX Utility 23* Recoil 95 F4

Srixon ZX Hybrid 25* Evenflow Riptide 80 6.0

Srixon ZX7 6-P Modus 120s

Cleveland Zipcore Full Face 52*,56*,60* Modus 115 Wedge

L.A.B. Golf B.2 LAGP TPZ ONE35

Srixon Z-Star

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Cant remember less hype for a TM metalwood release other than the initial fascination with twist face (which I do think is a good idea). Hit the M3 and it certainly isnt knocking my 2017 M1 out of the bag

 

I would disagree in that I think the "Twist Face" tech is going to be a disaster for TM. I was skeptical when I went just recently for a driver fitting using Trackman III. I tried both M3 & 4 and literally hated both in terms of performance, feel ,sound and looks. I think the face tech is just going to be confusing for a lot buyers. JMHO.

Callaway 10.5* Paradym X

TaylorMade 16.5 Stealth HL

Callaway Epic Flash Heavenwood

TaylorMade Stealth Irons 5 thru AW
Vokey SM8 54*/10* S Grind
Vokey SM8 58*/12* K Grind
T.P Mills Custom PN MIng
Odyssey 38" Tank #7 (a work in Progress)
 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I hit both, and found them to be a lot better than any TM drivers from the last 5 years or so. Neither is kicking my Epic SZ out of the bag, but they'd be solid options if I was in the market. Different strokes, I guess. I thought the M1/M2 performed and felt terrible.

 

Edit to add: I was able to hit them with basically the same shaft that I currently play in my driver (110 MSI Rogue instead of the 125 MSI version, but very similar profile), so that probably helped. If you hit it with a stock shaft that isn't a good fit for you, you may have less than impressive results.

Ping G430 LST 9* (set to 7.5*), 45", Fujikura Ventus TR Black 6x
Ping G430 LST 14.5* (set to 13*) Fujikura Ventus Black 7x
TaylorMade M2 Tour 18*, Fujikura Rombax P95x or Tour Edge CBX Iron-Wood 17* (Black Pearl) Fujikura Ventus HB Blue 9x or Tour Issue or Titleist TSi2 21* (set to 20*) Fujikura Ventus Black 8x
Cobra King RF Forged MB - 4-PW, KBS C-Taper 120 Stiff
Corey Paul 52*, Nippon Modus 125/Titleist Vokey SM8 58* K-Grind & 62* M-Grind DG S200
Byron Morgan long pipe neck B-17, Brushed Mystic finish, 34" or Byron Morgan long pipe neck beached 007x

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Similar to BForrester, I'm on about a 4-6 year cycle on woods. I still game an R11S from 2011/12. That being said, got fitted for the 2017 M2 last year and just didn't see the kind of numbers that would convince me to upgrade just yet. However, I got fitted for an M4 last weekend and I'm definitely a big fan. My miss is low heel and I play a cut, and my misses were holding their line better than with my gamer. Sound is a little more muted than my gamer, and I was really liking my dispersion with it (also am moving from a 60ish gram stiff shaft to a heavier 70ish gram x-stiff).

 

All in all, I don't discount people's dislikes (whether it be simply the club or some TM bias), but at the end of the day most love/hate of the top OEMs' offerings is completely subjective or solely dependent on the person swinging the club. Lastly, I find it a bit funny when people are surprised that an OEM's newest driver offering (be it TM, Cally, whoever) doesn't easily out-perform the same OEM's drivers of only a year or two ago. The margin for "innovation" in the driver/woods sector has been practically pushed to the limit (in terms of COR, CG, head size, etc.) for some years now, with the future of innovation being primarily in materials or some slight tweaks to engineering (not trying to discount Jail Break, or any of the other significant improvements). If I had purchased a 2016 or 2017 M1/M2 or an Epic/Rogue from this year or last, I would hope that driver would at least make it 2-3 years (if not longer) before I saw some legitimate distance/spin/dispersion gains or my money would be better spent "leasing" clubs (not a plug for TM's "Upgrade" Program as I think its still not worth it, IMO).

STEALTH 2 Tour AD DI 6X //  SIM Oban Devotion 65-04 //  699 v2 MMT105s //  JB Full Groove MMT105w //  TOULON ATLANTA //  Vice Pro+

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I wouldn’t stress the issue of these new drivers all that much since the M5 and M6 will be out in soon!

TSi3 9° - Tensei Pro Orange 70TX  

TSi2 13.5° - Tensei Pro White 80TX 

TSi2 18° - Tensei Pro White 80TX

718 TMB 3 - Tensei Pro White 100TX

T100 4-GW - MMT 125TX

SM8 54° & 58° - MMT 125TX

Odyssey Big-T Blade                                                  

ProV1X                                                                  

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Anyone had the chance to hit the M3 and M4 demos? I did last week, and I do not like them at all. They look and feel cheap and don't feel good off the face. Switched back to my G30 and gained 15 yards and accuracy. Also tried out the G400 and hit that really well. I think the G400, M1, and M2 are superior clubs.

 

Anyone else get a chance to hit them? Thoughts?

 

There are several things in this that made me laugh. The title is click bait and it worked so congrats. I've been on this site for 10 years now and it is always the same with each release cycle. One guys junk is another's treasure. To answer the first question, yes plenty have hit them. There have been posts about these drivers for months. TaylorMade had to send a cease and desist to members to keep them from posting pictures. So yes, guys have hit them. As for your findings, that's what they are. Yours. Were you fit for your PING? Did you just grab a M3 off the shelf and swing it with the stock config? 15 yards could be made for when properly fit.

 

I've seen them and hit them. I would not say they look cheap, sound cheap, etc. The stock shafts? Maybe, I'll give you that. Overall I love the way they look coming from a 2016 M2, the look similar and I like the grey verses the white. I didn't jump at the 2017 models but will test these for sure.

Titleist TSi2 9 - Ventus Blue 6x
Titleist TSi2 16.5 - Ventus Red 7x

Titleist TSi2 21 - Ventus Red 8x
Titleist T200 / T100 - KBS Tour X

Vokey SM8 Raw 50F, 56D, 60M - s400
SC Newport 2 SS / Pro Platinum Mid-Slant

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Anyone had the chance to hit the M3 and M4 demos? I did last week, and I do not like them at all. They look and feel cheap and don't feel good off the face. Switched back to my G30 and gained 15 yards and accuracy. Also tried out the G400 and hit that really well. I think the G400, M1, and M2 are superior clubs.

 

Anyone else get a chance to hit them? Thoughts?

 

With today’s technology there are no drivers that are consistently 15 yards different in distance from each other if they are properly fit for you.

 

With the correct shaft, the correct model, and the correct loft, they will all be within a few yards of each other on your best hits.

 

Im surprised on a website like this that people actually still think there are wild distance differences in the big name manufacturers offerings.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It's the Indian not the arrow.

 

Right... since I can hit a G30, G400, M2 really well... its my fault I can't hit the M3 well :)

 

It sure isn't the clubs fault, so take from that what you'd like.

 

Perhaps you two just aren't a match for each other. Did you hit the M3 w/ the same shaft as the others?

 

Some clubs just aren't a good fit. Try as hard as you want, you may not get it to work as well as others.

 

Plus, I'll throw out the whole TM tipping their driver shafts an inch theory. That would make a difference too.

Cobra LTDx LS 10.5* w/Kai'Li 70TX
Ping G430 Max 15* w/OG Ventus Blue 7X
Titleist TSR2 7w w/Ventus Red TR 8X
Cobra King CB 4-PW w/KBS $Taper
Bettinardi BB1 w/UST Mamiya All-In Graphite 
Mizuno Copper T22 52, 56, 60 w/MCA MMT 125TX Wedge Shafts
TP5, Z Star XV, CSXLS

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I wouldn't call them junk, but I don't feel any great urgency to buy one right now. Maybe I'll try one next year for about $150. I'm more intrigued by the Ping G400 Max as well as the Cobra F8+.

Driver: Callaway Rogue STMaxLS 10.5 Degree

5 Wood: Cobra LTDxLS @ 17.5 Degree

Hybrid: Cobra King OS 3-4 Hybrid @ 20.5 Degree

Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet @ 24 Degree

Irons: Taylormade 2021 P790's 5-AW

Wedge: Taylormade MG3 54 Degree

Wedge: Callaway Sureout 2 @ 60 degree

Putter: PXG Closer

Link to comment
Share on other sites

This is why a fitting is a must especially if u can get outside. For several months I hit all the new stuff both indoors and out. For me the rogue was good indoors but in real conditions it performed horribly n hated the feel, felt cheap. The Cobras and m3/m4 were solid and steady performers in both and same for the ping. Mizuno was mid pack indoors but blew them all away outdoors.

driver callaway xhot 2 8.5 S
irons: callaway xhot 2 4-aw
Hybrid: Baffler 19deg
3wood callaway xhot
putter: Ping scottsdale 2
wedges: taylormade atv 52 56

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Anyone had the chance to hit the M3 and M4 demos? I did last week, and I do not like them at all. They look and feel cheap and don't feel good off the face. Switched back to my G30 and gained 15 yards and accuracy. Also tried out the G400 and hit that really well. I think the G400, M1, and M2 are superior clubs.

 

Anyone else get a chance to hit them? Thoughts?

 

EDIT: Sorry, "Junk" might have been a little aggressive lol, I just think they are way overhyped... The purpose of this post was to get your thoughts about the M3 and M4, my apologies if I offended anyone by calling them junk... Some seem offended. I used the term junk because they just feel cheap and weird to me. Maybe its the color scheme, maybe its how they feel at impact. Not sure. Just something doesn't seem right with these clubs.

 

No offense taken OP.

 

I think the Ping drivers are the ugliest most hideous sounding drivers I’ve ever hit. Simply Grotesque in all ways.

 

If someone gave me one for free I wouldn’t use it.

 

“Each to his own” as I Like to say..... We are lucky to live in a time where there are plenty of good drivers out there to choose from.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Agree. I like my 2016 M2, 2017 M1, and 2017 M2 much better. I wouldn't say they are junk, but they are certainly not any better. Same with Rogue. Keeping my Epic.

100%. A G400 LST on its way..coming from a TM fan

Mizuno ST-Z 230 9.5 Diamana T+ 60s
Mizuno ST-Z 15* Diamana T+ 60s 

TM Sim2 Max 19 Hybrid Ventus 7-S

Mizuno Pro 225 4-GW DG 105 S300
Mizuno T24 Denim 54S/58V DG S400

L.A.B. DF 2.1 Broomstick

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Our picks

    • 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Discussion and links to Photos
      Please put any questions or Comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Monday #1
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Monday #2
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Tuesday #1
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Tuesday #2
      2024 Texas Children's Houston Open - Tuesday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Thorbjorn Olesen - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Ben Silverman - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Jesse Droemer - SoTX PGA Section POY - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      David Lipsky - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Martin Trainer - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Zac Blair - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Jacob Bridgeman - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Trace Crowe - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Jimmy Walker - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Daniel Berger - WITB(very mini) - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Chesson Hadley - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Callum McNeill - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Rhein Gibson - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Patrick Fishburn - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Peter Malnati - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Raul Pereda - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Gary Woodland WITB (New driver, iron shafts) – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Padraig Harrington WITB – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Tom Hoge's custom Cameron - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Piretti putters - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Ping putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Kevin Dougherty's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Bettinardi putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Erik Barnes testing an all-black Axis1 putter – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Tony Finau's new driver shaft – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
       
       
       
       
       
      • 7 replies
    • 2024 Valspar Championship WITB Photos (Thanks to bvmagic)- Discussion & Links to Photos
      This weeks WITB Pics are from member bvmagic (Brian). Brian's first event for WRX was in 2008 at Bayhill while in college. Thanks so much bv.
       
      Please put your comments or question on this thread. Links to all the threads are below...
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 31 replies
    • 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Matt (LFG) Every - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Sahith Theegala - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Cameron putters (and new "LD" grip) - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Bettinardi MB & CB irons - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Bettinardi API putter cover - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Swag API covers - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Golf Pride Reverse Taper grips - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 15 replies
    • 2024 Cognizant Classic - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #1
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #2
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #3
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #4
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Brandt Snedeker - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Max Greyserman - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Eric Cole - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Carl Yuan - WITb - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Russell Henley - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Justin Sun - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alex Noren - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Shane Lowry - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Taylor Montgomery - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jake Knapp (KnappTime_ltd) - WITB - - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Super Stoke Pistol Lock 1.0 & 2.0 grips - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      LA Golf new insert putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Garsen Quad Tour 15 grip - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Swag covers - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jacob Bridgeman's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Bud Cauley's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Ryo Hisatsune's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Chris Kirk - new black Callaway Apex CB irons and a few Odyssey putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alejandro Tosti's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 2 replies
    • 2024 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #3
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      • 22 replies

×
×
  • Create New...