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M3 and M4 are junk

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  • LondonerLondoner Members Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    MUFC689908 wrote:


    It's the Indian not the arrow.




    Right... since I can hit a G30, G400, M2 really well... its my fault I can't hit the M3 well image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    Well yes actually.
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  • wjdpar1wjdpar1 Members Posts: 401 ✭✭✭✭
    Disagree. I like my M4.


  • DeCuchiDeCuchi Members Posts: 1,122 ✭✭
    I’ve hit them, initial thoughts are decent. Didn’t love the sound/feel of the new drivers, but I don’t love the sound/feel of my M1 440 either. M3 I guess sounded a little better, but this was indoors and the sound will change outside. They aren’t any longer than my m1, just like the Rogue, Epic, g400, etc. I did make a few iffy swings at the beginning that felt like they’d hook to the far left of the screen, but they didn’t though. I found that interesting. I’ll test more later. The face tech isn’t new, just a variation of previous tech like Cobra/Adams drivers. Like years past it may or may not be an incremental improvement over previous models. It won’t magically make you straighter, it also won’t magically make you worse. I’ll test at length and see if the money is worth “x” amount of yards in length or dispersion as I do every year.
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  • KPH808KPH808 Participation Trophy ClubWRX Posts: 2,638 ClubWRX
    I've had them both in the bag for a couple rounds and range sessions. They were just ok. Felt previous M2/M1 line was better and this year's M3/M4 isn't an improvement at all.
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  • gmangolfgmangolf Members Posts: 1,576 ✭✭
    M3 was a dud for me. Wanted to love it, have played TM drivers for at least 10 years. Really just didn't like it. I'll blame the fact that I hit the Rogue I tested the same day significantly straighter and further to the shaft each had in them, but the feel and sound of the M3 head left a lot to be desired for me unfortunately. I'll likely give it another shot later in the season, but didn't make me want to buy it immediately either.

    Stanks wrote:


    Ordered an M3 last Friday and just was notified it's in the shop. Do I play tomorrow with a cold turkey driver or do I wait?!




    You didn't buy it to look at it! Put it in play!
  • The Mad BomberThe Mad Bomber I seem to not like new things. Get off my lawn... Members Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Hmmmm....where have I heard this song and dance before. I'm not even going to bother with M3/4 because the only difference between them and M1/2 is the colour and the marketing. They're no different and if you're buying a driver to replace anything newer that 2012 or so, you're only doing it because you like the new look or sound. I think deep down, most of you know a new big stick is not going to lower your handicap.
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  • Ace2000Ace2000 Members Posts: 483
    edited Feb 23, 2018 #38
    Stanks wrote:
    Ordered an M3 last Friday and just was notified it’s in the shop. Do I play tomorrow with a cold turkey driver or do I wait?!




    Oh definitely game it!!! The M3 is a beast.
  • mowakebummowakebum Mowakebum Members Posts: 52 ✭✭
    I don’t know if I’d go with junk. I hit M3,M4,Rogue and Rogue SZ at the driving range last weekend. I currently game a Epic SZ with a ADGP 6S. Really thought I’d like the Rogue since I could put my shaft in it. None of this years drivers were horrible. But I’m sticking with the Epic. There were no major yardage differences and i feel pretty comfortable with mine.
  • CTJCTJ Members Posts: 121
    TheLarch wrote:


    If you kept the M3 or M4 in the rear storage compartment of your automobile you would have junk in the trunk.




    But that is only if you put it in a BMW.
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  • scottb15scottb15 Members Posts: 288 ✭✭✭✭
    I have tried both m3/m4 and I wasn't impressed. Ended up getting last year's m2 fairway. Felt better, sounded better,& produced better numbers.
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  • swgolf12swgolf12 Members Posts: 955 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gained a few MPH Ballspeed over my 2016 M2. Plenty forgiving (I have the 440CC Head) and paired with my Kiyoshi Black I hit high flat bombs that hit and ran.



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  • Eric05Eric05 Members Posts: 505 ✭✭
    I wouldn't say they are junk, If they were you would not see so many professionals adding them to the bag without hesitation. DJ, rory, rahm, longest on the tour making a switch. I feel nothing is perfect unless its perfectly fit for you. At this point, do you feel like there are going to be major changes? I can't see it. Yardage is already getting so maxed out. Its all about marketing, and looks. I do like the looks of the Rogue too. But I am a TM guy.
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  • SheriffBoothSheriffBooth Marshals, BST Volunteer Mods Posts: 4,472 mod
    The current 57% win rate for M3/M4 on the PGA Tour in 2018 would seem to indicate these drivers aren't junk, or at least that there is significant room for debate.
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  • gvogelgvogel Members Posts: 7,764 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭


    The current 57% win rate for M3/M4 on the PGA Tour in 2018 would seem to indicate these drivers aren't junk, or at least that there is significant room for debate.




    But everyone knows that Tour issue TMade drivers are not the same as in the stores. image/taunt.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':taunt:' />
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  • LondonerLondoner Members Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    gvogel wrote:



    The current 57% win rate for M3/M4 on the PGA Tour in 2018 would seem to indicate these drivers aren't junk, or at least that there is significant room for debate.




    But everyone knows that Tour issue TMade drivers are not the same as in the stores. image/taunt.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':taunt:' />




    Yeah, they have drivers that carry 120 yds further, and straight. They just wont sell them to us! image/taunt.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':taunt:' />
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  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 11,500 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Londoner wrote:

    gvogel wrote:



    The current 57% win rate for M3/M4 on the PGA Tour in 2018 would seem to indicate these drivers aren't junk, or at least that there is significant room for debate.




    But everyone knows that Tour issue TMade drivers are not the same as in the stores. image/taunt.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':taunt:' />




    Yeah, they have drivers that carry 120 yds further, and straight. They just wont sell them to us! image/taunt.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':taunt:' />




    And even the Tour Van ones you see on eBay, they take them apart and inject them with that special distance-killing sauce before they are sold off. Dastardly.
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  • LondonerLondoner Members Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Londoner wrote:

    gvogel wrote:



    The current 57% win rate for M3/M4 on the PGA Tour in 2018 would seem to indicate these drivers aren't junk, or at least that there is significant room for debate.




    But everyone knows that Tour issue TMade drivers are not the same as in the stores. image/taunt.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':taunt:' />




    Yeah, they have drivers that carry 120 yds further, and straight. They just wont sell them to us! image/taunt.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':taunt:' />




    And even the Tour Van ones you see on eBay, they take them apart and inject them with that special distance-killing sauce before they are sold off. Dastardly.


    Tour decommissioned ?
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  • Jack PearsallJack Pearsall Members Posts: 3,414 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    JP would not know. He’s still positive on his TM sldr 430 tp....it’s like a 100 TM releases ago...image/sad.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' />
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  • SaskwatchSaskwatch Putting From The RoughMembers Posts: 540 ✭✭
    Londoner wrote:


    Londoner wrote:

    gvogel wrote:



    The current 57% win rate for M3/M4 on the PGA Tour in 2018 would seem to indicate these drivers aren't junk, or at least that there is significant room for debate.




    But everyone knows that Tour issue TMade drivers are not the same as in the stores. image/taunt.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':taunt:' />




    Yeah, they have drivers that carry 120 yds further, and straight. They just wont sell them to us! image/taunt.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':taunt:' />




    And even the Tour Van ones you see on eBay, they take them apart and inject them with that special distance-killing sauce before they are sold off. Dastardly.


    Tour decommissioned ?




    The correct phrase is “tour preferred”


  • cphreycphrey #SLDRChallenger Members Posts: 1,828 ✭✭
    I ordered an M4 with Tensei White 70x, sight unseen, never even demoed it...upgrading from my Jetspeed/GBB drivers. I bet it'll be pretty sweet and I am pumped to get it. But the pro at my golf course "forgot to hit submit" on my order so instead of being here now, it will not be here until 3-21...ugh. Anyone w some TM connections want to get my order to the front of the line?
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  • golfnhackgolfnhack Members Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I still use a 2015 Callway Great Big Berth (The one Hideki uses). As a mater of fact, I have 2 of them. One I use for the range, which I have had since 2015, and the other I use specifically for playing rounds. The range one takes all the wear. They are GREAT drivers. I have tried every new driver. I have bought many of them. But they all end up on BST and eBay, because NONE of them are better than the 2015 GBB. The best thing any serious golfer can do is to use equipment that WORKS best for them, and not use equipment because it is the latest/greatest. Best advice... don't ever sell your current equipment until the honeymoon phase is over with the latest/greatest you bought to replace it. Chances are you will regret it.



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  • Bomber_11Bomber_11 Enjoy the Chase. ClubWRX Posts: 3,547 ClubWRX
    cphrey wrote:


    I ordered an M4 with Tensei White 70x, sight unseen, never even demoed it...upgrading from my Jetspeed/GBB drivers. I bet it'll be pretty sweet and I am pumped to get it. But the pro at my golf course "forgot to hit submit" on my order so instead of being here now, it will not be here until 3-21...ugh. Anyone w some TM connections want to get my order to the front of the line?




    I'd cancel that order if i were you, unless you're getting some sort of discount.



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  • FlaBoy239FlaBoy239 Members Posts: 386 ✭✭✭✭
    I didn't have any complaints
  • rchera3rchera3 WhoDatPelican Members Posts: 337 ✭✭✭✭
    edited Feb 23, 2018 #55
    I loved the M3 with Tensei White 70 X! It was a beast for me and clearly out performed the Rogue SZ. However, everyone has a different opinion and the Rogue SZ Fairway worked better for me than the M3 or M4 Fairway. It’s strange how drivers and fairways are so different
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  • viperstudioviperstudio Members Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Feb 23, 2018 #56
    I agreed with you, it was a twist FAIL for me image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />. I like TM but not the M3 and M4, i have better numbers with GMAX and the new Cleveland HB. I think my 2016 M2 will be in the bag for a while.



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  • StarFleetGolferStarFleetGolfer Members Posts: 10,565 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    MUFC689908 wrote:


    It's the Indian not the arrow.




    Right... since I can hit a G30, G400, M2 really well... its my fault I can't hit the M3 well image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    It is, pros have no problem.

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  • Nixhex524Nixhex524 ClubWRX Posts: 4,208 ClubWRX
    Bomber_11 wrote:


    MUFC689908 wrote:


    It's the Indian not the arrow.




    Right... since I can hit a G30, G400, M2 really well... its my fault I can't hit the M3 well image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    It sure isn't the clubs fault, so take from that what you'd like.



    Perhaps you two just aren't a match for each other. Did you hit the M3 w/ the same shaft as the others?




    The shaft to shaft comparison is overrated... what shaft works well in one head may not be a great fit in another and I think only true fittings with each head will produce the best results for a person, but how many of us will actually do that? Most people are going to hit them in stock form, OTR, and decide to buy or not from there. When they see that the M3/4 don't help their misses as much as they hoped they can choose to pass or not. It's not the clubs that are junk, TM has made some winners in the past, it's their marketing claims that need to be trashed and maybe tried from a different approach IMO.
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  • rchera3rchera3 WhoDatPelican Members Posts: 337 ✭✭✭✭
    The PGA Tour players that are not contracted by Taylormade are playing M3 or M4 with no problem! I don’t see many using Rogue as much as Taylormade!
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  • cgasuckscgasucks Members Posts: 2,306 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Me personally even though I'm quite happy with my Superquad, I wouldn't buy an M3 or M4 because of looks alone. I'd rather get a 2016 M2 or M1 instead.
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