Naval Jelly to Raw a wedge

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Sorry if this is in the wrong spot. I've got some SM6's, the Jet Black finish. I used them for a half season and they are showing some wear on the black. I wanted to strip that and make them a raw finish. I've heard Naval Jelly is a good way to go. Has anyone done this that has the process or tips for me? Any help is appreciated. Thank you.
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  • SAM_PGASAM_PGA PGA Professional Knoxville, TN 668WRX Points: 140Members Posts: 668 Golden Tee
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    From what I've read Naval Jelly works... but you have to apply the product evenly and can lead to inconsistent results. Smells like a** too! For best results use CLR or distilled white vinegar. Put the wedges in a small bucket and fill with either product to completely cover the wedge. I've used vinegar, soak for 1-2 hours, rinse, scrub with the grain using a green scotch bright pad, and repeat. Also, after the soak, I've had good success using #3 steel wool and following with #00 steel wool. This gave my wedges a more homogenous look. Patience is virtue!!!
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    Get a liter of Coke and leave it overnight with the clubhead completely immersed. I do that to all my black finish wedges. They look amazing in the morning!
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  • Hot Rod 71Hot Rod 71 #TheWRX  8948WRX Points: 304Handicap: lowClubWRX, BST Volunteer Mods Posts: 8,948 ClubWRX
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    I used CLR as mentioned above to take a set of black Vokey SM6 wedges down to raw. It worked very well.



    http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1435520-sm6-wedges/
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  • SAM_PGASAM_PGA PGA Professional Knoxville, TN 668WRX Points: 140Members Posts: 668 Golden Tee
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    I used my vinegar recommendation this afternoon on four brand new SM6 Raw Black wedges and the whole process took 2 hours from start to end. Here is my step by step process that I've found works best...



    1. Completely clean the wedge heads and wipe down with denatured alcohol to remove any residue

    2. In a bucket, place the wedge/wedges in side and fill to the ferrule with distilled white vinegar

    3. Start a timer for 1 hour

    4. After the first hour, remove the wedge from the vinegar and rinse under water, towel dry

    5. I'd recommend wear some shop or latex gloves for the next step... using a green Scotch-Brite pad scrub the wedge with the grain. This won't take long pretty quick process

    6. Wipe down again with alcohol to remove any residue

    7. Put back in the same vinegar for 1/2 hour

    8. Rinse under water again and towel dry

    9. Scotch-Brite scrub again and follow up with 00 steel wool (if you want but not necessary)

    10. Re-shine the ferrule with acetone and a cotton cloth



    The final product for me is very consistent throughout and is identical to the raw Vokeys that have been built for me by Aaron Dill on the PGA Tour Titleist Tour Truck. I've seen other raw wedge finishes but they had been tumbled to a dull shiny finish. Below is a pic of my 58M from today. As you can see all paint fill is PERFECTLY intact!

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  • Hack DaddyHack Daddy  1001WRX Points: 276Members Posts: 1,001 Platinum Tees
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    Navel Jelly, white vinegar, secret sauce... means nothing. You are trying to remove a PVD coating.



    Get some masking tape, cover two or three inches of the bottom of the shaft and the ferrel. Take your wedge and $20 to your local machine, automotive, cnc, etc. shop and have them bead blast your head. That is the correct way to remove the PVD, and it won't look like you hit it with a wool pad, regardless of if you went with the grain. You can request different bead for different result. Glass, silica, etc.





    Edit: Blasting will also clean up some of the imperfections, as well. For instance, I took a beat-to-death Cleveland Classic 1, blasted, and cerekoted. Pretty much took out all the nicks and dings.



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    Hack Daddy wrote:


    Navel Jelly, white vinegar, secret sauce... means nothing. You are trying to remove a PVD coating.



    Get some masking tape, cover two or three inches of the bottom of the shaft and the ferrel. Take your wedge and $20 to your local machine, automotive, cnc, etc. shop and have them bead blast your head. That is the correct way to remove the PVD, and it won't look like you hit it with a wool pad, regardless of if you went with the grain. You can request different bead for different result. Glass, silica, etc.





    Edit: Blasting will also clean up some of the imperfections, as well. For instance, I took a beat-to-death Cleveland Classic 1, blasted, and cerekoted. Pretty much took out all the nicks and dings.








    Uh you do realize the post above you shows wedges that came out great using easy to find items. I've raw'd out at least 6 different black ox or oil can Vokeys the only one that was a huge pita was the black ion tvd finish
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  • STPBMWSTPBMW  577WRX Points: 75Members Posts: 577 Golden Tee
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    I've tried everything. Fastest easiest method for me is to use toilet bowl cleaner. I just use The Works brand from the dollar store.



    Buy a thin narrow container at the dollar store and soak the heads for a minute. If doing this with the shafts on be careful not to submerge the ferrule.



    Be careful, use gloves etc. Stuff is powerful.
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  • SAM_PGASAM_PGA PGA Professional Knoxville, TN 668WRX Points: 140Members Posts: 668 Golden Tee
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    Hack Daddy wrote:


    Navel Jelly, white vinegar, secret sauce... means nothing. You are trying to remove a PVD coating.



    Get some masking tape, cover two or three inches of the bottom of the shaft and the ferrel. Take your wedge and $20 to your local machine, automotive, cnc, etc. shop and have them bead blast your head. That is the correct way to remove the PVD, and it won't look like you hit it with a wool pad, regardless of if you went with the grain. You can request different bead for different result. Glass, silica, etc.





    Edit: Blasting will also clean up some of the imperfections, as well. For instance, I took a beat-to-death Cleveland Classic 1, blasted, and cerekoted. Pretty much took out all the nicks and dings.



    Photo_2017-03-01_09-06-51_PM_zpsyrkg3niz.png




    FYI... the finish on the SM6 Raw Black wedges is a QPQ, quench/polish/quench. The SM5 Jet was also a QPQ but a deeper Black which resulted in a darker rawer look. Our processes to remove the black color works great and give the results that raw wedge users are looking for and will rust over time. Bead or sand blasting the heads will just result in a lighter finish, remove all paint fill, and potentially rust faster... not to mention more expensive for the extra process and having to repaint if desired.
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  • SAM_PGASAM_PGA PGA Professional Knoxville, TN 668WRX Points: 140Members Posts: 668 Golden Tee
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    Updated pics of my finished project... Vokey SM6 Raw Black with the Vinegar Works! ZERO paint loss and the exact RAW finish I was looking for. Just used a green ScotchBrite pad after a 1 hour soak in vinegar (twice)



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    SM7 "Raw'd"     46.10F   50.12F @ 51º   56.08M   60.08M @ 61º - AMT Tour White S300      

     
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  • wcbjrwcbjr  2902WRX Points: 177Handicap: 3Members Posts: 2,902 Titanium Tees
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    Those are very well done, nice.
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    Nice work, Sam
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    Very informative. Thanks for posting this . As with everything, we have choices so this let's us make up our own minds as which avenue to follow.



    I like the vinegar soak process myself and the results it produced.
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  • The GeneralThe General  1775WRX Points: 162Handicap: 2Members Posts: 1,775 Platinum Tees
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    Sammy that looks amazing. That gray dull look is as good as it gets.
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  • jasonp87jasonp87  2142WRX Points: 98Members Posts: 2,142 Platinum Tees
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    Yah I used vinegar on my RTX 3s. Worked like a charm to remove the Tour raw finish.



    They're rusting up quite nicely now.



    Only took about 20min to get finish off. I just green frog Taper the ferrule and submerged head into vinegar
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  • jll62jll62 Minneapolis 2360WRX Points: 601Handicap: +2.4ClubWRX Posts: 2,360 ClubWRX
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    I just did five of them within the last month using naval jelly and fine steel wool to remove the black finish, followed by 400 grit sandpaper to give them the right look. Start to finish for each wedge when using naval jelly is around 30 minutes, which is why I prefer that over other techniques.



    Now swapping out the paint fill is another story...



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  • NessismNessism To measure is to know...  19289WRX Points: 1,385Members Posts: 19,289 Titanium Tees
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    Kleenstrip Etch and Prep from Home Depot will take off the black finish faster than vinegar and it's way safer than using that toilet bowl cleaner stuff which is really nasty stuff.
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    Just to bump this, is there any way to do this with the standard chrome wedges? I feel like the chrome wedges are tougher to deal with but admittedly don't really know.
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    Nope. Needs to be raw
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    Why not just buy them like that? I have black sm5's and would never dream of doing that to them. I mean they look nice and but why buy black wedges and then strip off the black? Just doesn't make sense to me, thats all.
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    Any tips on if this works for chrome finish? What would work best for the chrome finish to make them raw?
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    fillwelix wrote:


    Any tips on if this works for chrome finish? What would work best for the chrome finish to make them raw?




    You have to strip the chrome before you can do any of things you are reading above
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    tdk8180 wrote:

    fillwelix wrote:


    Any tips on if this works for chrome finish? What would work best for the chrome finish to make them raw?




    You have to strip the chrome before you can do any of things you are reading above




    Yeah I figured as much. Any tips on doing that at home or is that not doable?
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    I dont recommend doing this at home unless ur home is a factory
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    donasdux wrote:


    Why not just buy them like that? I have black sm5's and would never dream of doing that to them. I mean they look nice and but why buy black wedges and then strip off the black? Just doesn't make sense to me, thats all.




    Because it’s easy, economic, and a lot less hassle than custom ordering a wedge from someone like Vokey with a raw finish.
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    tdk8180 wrote:


    I dont recommend doing this at home unless ur home is a factory




    Good to know, thanks!
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