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This is something I completely agree with. Low lead hip and no bumping.

 

From George Gankas:

 

First off this post isn’t directed towards any player or any coach out there so let that be known. I’ve bumped my hips in transition most my life and I got pretty good at golf. There’s so many great players who have some form of a bump in transition but is that the reason they are good at golf ? I’d love to see how different really good players would have been if they had different lower body transitions, would they have been better ball strikers than they are now.? We will never know. I do like pressure to shift forward in transition just not as much body mass as most like but lead side of pelvis lower in transition will do this without having to push off trail leg in transition. This allows us to open up and not stall out through impact also leading to more torque and vertical forces . Most of us have to push off trail leg in transition because of set up or to much pressure gets shifted to backside in backswing, which can work if done with the right matchups in transition. There’s lots of matchups that work and we see some really cool ones on tour that we wouldn’t ask our own players to try but they still work. There is no right or wrong way but there is definitely more efficient ways we can do things. Remember all that matters in ball-striking is solid contact, distance control and missing on correct sides of pins also known as controlling curve, speed is always a bonus.

 

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Baseball pitchers and batter all bump. But I've not seen a javelin thrower bump.

 

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Regardless of what he says..it seems to be a dig at athletic motion golf. Because everything they put out on instagram is a direct contradiction to what he wants you to “feel”. With all the modern technology we have (3d, force plates, etc) we really know now what the best players in the world are actually doing and when they do it. Now the question is what should they be doing??

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The only thing I disagree with with GG is kicking the pelvis forward and pushing with the back leg after making the initial pivot (turn) in order to move the low point forward.

 

I believe its more of a fall forward as does Athletic motion golf and then plow through impact by driving the chest forward.

 

But hes dead on when it comes to keeping the lower body under you.

9 out of 10 times you tell someone to bump...they will slide and get locked up.

 

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I had an email conversation with Tyler about the push/fall and what his take on this was.

 

Here is his reply.

 

+Guy K For me it's more semantics. Sasho did some research on this and found the pressure at left arm parallel had the highest correlation to ball speed of any of the ground reaction parameters. However, While 70+% of the pressure needs to be on the lead foot, you also want to have a relatively constant pressure on the trail foot through that phase. The key is that it's not an explosive push of the trail foot, it's a push like taking a step. Some people have trouble with that idea and do better with the fall concept. But, when some people "fall" they do it more from the upper body lunge. You can still create speed that way but will struggle with AOA and flat spot if you do.

 

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I had an email conversation with Tyler about the push/fall and what his take on this was.

 

Here is his reply.

 

+Guy K For me it's more semantics. Sasho did some research on this and found the pressure at left arm parallel had the highest correlation to ball speed of any of the ground reaction parameters. However, While 70+% of the pressure needs to be on the lead foot, you also want to have a relatively constant pressure on the trail foot through that phase. The key is that it's not an explosive push of the trail foot, it's a push like taking a step. Some people have trouble with that idea and do better with the fall concept. But, when some people "fall" they do it more from the upper body lunge. You can still create speed that way but will struggle with AOA and flat spot if you do.

I think the best way to feel it is to get to the top of the backswing put weight on your lead foot and pick it up off the ground and you will automatically move forward. That's basically what it feels like.
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It's a shot at AMG but it's an uneducated shot. There is a difference in lateral motion and a "bump". Body absolutely moves laterally and it does it without the lower running out from under it while keeping the left hip low in transition. He is fighting a straw man if his own creation.

 

What's the difference between a lateral move a la AMG and the bump shown by GG?

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It's a shot at AMG but it's an uneducated shot. There is a difference in lateral motion and a "bump". Body absolutely moves laterally and it does it without the lower running out from under it while keeping the left hip low in transition. He is fighting a straw man if his own creation.

 

What's the difference between a lateral move a la AMG and the bump shown by GG?

 

In a correct lateral move the center of the rib cage is in front of the center of the pelvis until just after lead arm parallel and the left hip stays below the rightnuntil the hands are hip high. That all happens while the entire body shifts forward about 3-4 inches.

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That video isn’t promoting a bump per se.

 

It’s a video on sequencing and using my understanding of pressure shift at the time.

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It's a shot at AMG but it's an uneducated shot. There is a difference in lateral motion and a "bump". Body absolutely moves laterally and it does it without the lower running out from under it while keeping the left hip low in transition. He is fighting a straw man if his own creation.

 

What's the difference between a lateral move a la AMG and the bump shown by GG?

 

In a correct lateral move the center of the rib cage is in front of the center of the pelvis until just after lead arm parallel and the left hip stays below the rightnuntil the hands are hip high. That all happens while the entire body shifts forward about 3-4 inches.

 

There is more than one way to move, none being more "correct" than the other.

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If you advocate a deliberate bump answer these questions:

 

1. When?;

 

2. How much?

 

3. How fast?

 

4. Are the answers the same for every club and every shot, full out driver to half wedge and if not go back and answers questions 1, 2, and 3 for every club and every shot.

 

An athlete doesn't need to direct his body. Swing the club and the body will move in a way to permit the club to be swung.

 

Steve.

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It's a shot at AMG but it's an uneducated shot. There is a difference in lateral motion and a "bump". Body absolutely moves laterally and it does it without the lower running out from under it while keeping the left hip low in transition. He is fighting a straw man if his own creation.

 

What's the difference between a lateral move a la AMG and the bump shown by GG?

 

In a correct lateral move the center of the rib cage is in front of the center of the pelvis until just after lead arm parallel and the left hip stays below the rightnuntil the hands are hip high. That all happens while the entire body shifts forward about 3-4 inches.

 

There is more than one way to move, none being more "correct" than the other.

 

By correct I mean what good tour players do. Every tour player moves laterally before they rotate

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Is the confusion just based on what "bump implies"? To me bump implies moving the lower half towards the target i.e. increasing or adding secondary tilt. The AMG guys show pretty clearly that upper and lower move laterally towards target in late backswing/transition.

 

GG seems to be attacking the former, which AMG never endorsed.

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Did GG post that due to some IG beef or t**-for-tat with AMG?

Can't speak to what his motives are. I know Shaun started posting videos showing examples of the concepts they teach in response to questions from students and others. When he did he was quickly bombarded. I think GG makes it pretty obvious this is about AMG when he emphasizes "athletic motion" in his video.

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AMG just takes measurements on a small sample of players.

 

George Gankas has his own swing that he teaches and he shouldn't pay attention to what AMG is saying, he should just keep doing his thing since it works for him.

 

There is more than one golf swing out there.

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