GG tip for shallowing the club

[Swisstrader98]

Just thought I would share. I’ve always been a bit confused by drills and tips for shallowing the club but this wall drill from George Gankas somehow clicked for me (at least sitting in my living room:)

 

Not exactly sure how it will xfer to my swing because I’m not really sure after laying down the club how to get it square to the ball but will see how it goes and keep working on it.

 

 

[Golfbeat]

A good video. With all his videos he is telling us one way or another: don't pull the club down, leave the hands up and turn and the club will drop down on it's own as long as you keep rotating.

[airjammer]

Don’t forget the other prerequisites..the shoulder needs to stay down in transition and the left leg is going in external rotation. He isn’t just rotating his shoulders to get his right arm against the wall.

[phillyspecial]

Does this kind of run counter to Montes speeding up the arms concepts?

[BottleCap]

Does this kind of run counter to Montes speeding up the arms concepts?

 

It's a different swing model

[golftech]

I found this quite helpful for the feel of leaving the arms up in transition.

[alphaLo]

Has anyone actually been able to flatten their downswing with this drill?

[kalamazoo]

> @alphaLo said:

> Has anyone actually been able to flatten their downswing with this drill?

 

Shank City, USA every time I watch a GG video. Works for some, not for others. Just depends on your level of flexibility/athleticism and dedication.

 

[dap]

There are no universal feels that work for everyone. Is Justin Rose doing it all wrong according to GG? This drill is literally the complete opposite of what Rosey does.

 

There seems to be the idea that a downward handpath steepens the club. That is not necessarily the case.

 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1323161814493204&id=10643196329&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com.au%2F&_rdr

[benenen]

The GG video seems showing the right arm has no independent movement, it’s the torso rotation moving the right arm forward and shallow the shaft. The angle of right arm and right shoulder at the top should not change during downswing. Am I right?

[MK7Golf21]

> @dap said:

> There are no universal feels that work for everyone. Is Justin Rose doing it all wrong according to GG? This drill is literally the complete opposite of what Rosey does.

>

> There seems to be the idea that a downward handpath steepens the club. That is not necessarily the case.

>

> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1323161814493204&id=10643196329&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com.au%2F&_rdr

 

Exactly, I’ve mentioned Rose before, his hands move out at the top of the swing and he’s always trying to limit it with that drill before shots. When the hands move out, it can promote over the top or less room to swing from inside, you would have to drop down late to prevent that which can limit rotation into the shot. I never work on getting my hands to go out

[MPStrat]

> @dap said:

> There are no universal feels that work for everyone. Is Justin Rose doing it all wrong according to GG? This drill is literally the complete opposite of what Rosey does.

>

> There seems to be the idea that a downward handpath steepens the club. That is not necessarily the case.

>

> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1323161814493204&id=10643196329&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com.au%2F&_rdr

 

A downward hand path doesn't steepen the shaft, pulling down on the handle or tipping the club out steepens the shaft.

[airjammer]

Lead arm supination steepens the shaft. Your body supinates the lead arm when you pull down because it’s the most powerful way to pull something down.

 

Not saying you should but if you force yourself to pronate the lead arm while pulling down you won’t steepen the shaft

[MPStrat]

 

 

> @airjammer said:

> Lead arm supination steepens the shaft. Your body supinates the lead arm when you pull down because it’s the most powerful way to pull something down.

>

> Not saying you should but if you force yourself to pronate the lead arm while pulling down you won’t steepen the shaft

 

Sergio

 

 

[MK7Golf21]

> @airjammer said:

> Lead arm supination steepens the shaft. Your body supinates the lead arm when you pull down because it’s the most powerful way to pull something down.

>

> Not saying you should but if you force yourself to pronate the lead arm while pulling down you won’t steepen the shaft

 

I think most people misinterpret what pull the handle means. Pull the handle is when you pull the hands down into the shot trying to hold the lag/ narrow and steep. Pull the handle isn't swinging the hands from the top of the swing with a proper release, ala Adam Scott/Tiger Woods 2000.

[kobe123]

> @Redjeep83 said:

> > @airjammer said:

> > Lead arm supination steepens the shaft. Your body supinates the lead arm when you pull down because it’s the most powerful way to pull something down.

> >

> > Not saying you should but if you force yourself to pronate the lead arm while pulling down you won’t steepen the shaft

>

> I think most people misinterpret what pull the handle means. Pull the handle is when you pull the hands down into the shot trying to hold the lag/ narrow and steep. Pull the handle isn't swinging the hands from the top of the swing with a proper release, ala Adam Scott/Tiger Woods 2000.

 

Amen! This is gold.

[glk]

Believe what you say is handle dragging and pulling the handle.

Manzella coined handle dragging but have seen Monte video where he refers to it as pulling the handle.

then to add more confusion, pulling the handle or pulling down and getting narrow to start the downswing is the other use. Gankas has

videos on that one and calls it pulling down - a la his stick on the arms or even a box - all to get arms synched with the pivot - versus pulling down with the arms and getting narrow, losing synch with the pivot, cupping the lead wrist, and steepening the shaft.

Golf terminology is certainly confusing at times.

[MPStrat]

> @Redjeep83 said:

> > @airjammer said:

> > Lead arm supination steepens the shaft. Your body supinates the lead arm when you pull down because it’s the most powerful way to pull something down.

> >

> > Not saying you should but if you force yourself to pronate the lead arm while pulling down you won’t steepen the shaft

>

> I think most people misinterpret what pull the handle means. Pull the handle is when you pull the hands down into the shot trying to hold the lag/ narrow and steep. Pull the handle isn't swinging the hands from the top of the swing with a proper release, ala Adam Scott/Tiger Woods 2000.

 

Are you talking about the Tiger/Butch/Malaska manual shaft tipping drill? IMO that's just as bad if not worse than the narrow/lag version you described.

[MK7Golf21]

> @MPStrat said:

> > @Redjeep83 said:

> > > @airjammer said:

> > > Lead arm supination steepens the shaft. Your body supinates the lead arm when you pull down because it’s the most powerful way to pull something down.

> > >

> > > Not saying you should but if you force yourself to pronate the lead arm while pulling down you won’t steepen the shaft

> >

> > I think most people misinterpret what pull the handle means. Pull the handle is when you pull the hands down into the shot trying to hold the lag/ narrow and steep. Pull the handle isn't swinging the hands from the top of the swing with a proper release, ala Adam Scott/Tiger Woods 2000.

>

> Are you talking about the Tiger/Butch/Malaska manual shaft tipping drill? IMO that's just as bad if not worse than the narrow/lag version you described.

 

nope, talking about actively swinging arms and not holding them up. There is nothing wrong with that and will not steepen the shaft on its own. There is nothing wrong with holding them up or being more active in swinging them, its just preferences.

 

also, that shaft tipping drill works for some people. Jim Hardy really helped many people on tour with this move when pitch elbow was all the hype and their miss was a block out to the right and hitting hooks. Before one plane swing came out, he was teaching that move on tour to those guys with success and then it got turned into one plane swing and mass marketed.

[MPStrat]

> @Redjeep83 said:

> > @MPStrat said:

> > > @Redjeep83 said:

> > > > @airjammer said:

> > > > Lead arm supination steepens the shaft. Your body supinates the lead arm when you pull down because it’s the most powerful way to pull something down.

> > > >

> > > > Not saying you should but if you force yourself to pronate the lead arm while pulling down you won’t steepen the shaft

> > >

> > > I think most people misinterpret what pull the handle means. Pull the handle is when you pull the hands down into the shot trying to hold the lag/ narrow and steep. Pull the handle isn't swinging the hands from the top of the swing with a proper release, ala Adam Scott/Tiger Woods 2000.

> >

> > Are you talking about the Tiger/Butch/Malaska manual shaft tipping drill? IMO that's just as bad if not worse than the narrow/lag version you described.

>

> nope, talking about actively swinging arms and not holding them up. There is nothing wrong with that and will not steepen the shaft on its own. There is nothing wrong with holding them up or being more active in swinging them, its just preferences.

>

> also, that shaft tipping drill works for some people. Jim Hardy really helped many people on tour with this move when pitch elbow was all the hype and their miss was a block out to the right and hitting hooks. Before one plane swing came out, he was teaching that move on tour to those guys with success and then it got turned into one plane swing and mass marketed.

 

I am not not a believer that tipping the shaft out in front is the fix for stuck. Although it is an option that gets used. I think it's definitely a matchup for someone like Rickie.

[MK7Golf21]

> @MPStrat said:

> > @Redjeep83 said:

> > > @MPStrat said:

> > > > @Redjeep83 said:

> > > > > @airjammer said:

> > > > > Lead arm supination steepens the shaft. Your body supinates the lead arm when you pull down because it’s the most powerful way to pull something down.

> > > > >

> > > > > Not saying you should but if you force yourself to pronate the lead arm while pulling down you won’t steepen the shaft

> > > >

> > > > I think most people misinterpret what pull the handle means. Pull the handle is when you pull the hands down into the shot trying to hold the lag/ narrow and steep. Pull the handle isn't swinging the hands from the top of the swing with a proper release, ala Adam Scott/Tiger Woods 2000.

> > >

> > > Are you talking about the Tiger/Butch/Malaska manual shaft tipping drill? IMO that's just as bad if not worse than the narrow/lag version you described.

> >

> > nope, talking about actively swinging arms and not holding them up. There is nothing wrong with that and will not steepen the shaft on its own. There is nothing wrong with holding them up or being more active in swinging them, its just preferences.

> >

> > also, that shaft tipping drill works for some people. Jim Hardy really helped many people on tour with this move when pitch elbow was all the hype and their miss was a block out to the right and hitting hooks. Before one plane swing came out, he was teaching that move on tour to those guys with success and then it got turned into one plane swing and mass marketed.

>

> I am not not a believer that tipping the shaft out in front is the fix for stuck. Although it is an option that gets used. I think it's definitely a matchup for someone like Rickie.

 

use whatever works, its not the only move to correct it but it will get you more punch elbow and exiting more left if that's what you want. For the players that need it, the shaft won't get steep

 

The problem is from what I've seen Malaska and Hardy pretty much teach that move to all students

[mocokid]

right arm internal at top of swing (Nicklaus flying right elbow). Downswing: right arm goes external with right elbow pointing at abdomen at p5.5, while back of left hand is skyward, then push up and rotate through impact and drop the plate of pasta (which was sitting nicely on top of your left wrist at p5.5). You of course have the propert address posture, and make the proper GG backswing (UP and around), and downswing (Down with right side bend and right leg external). This from my GG lesson, but keep in mind, these moves are occurring for a milli second and are slight exaggerations. No active hand action is ever mentioned.

[NikeGolferTX]

Don't apply any force whatsoever all the way down to p-6.

Don't try to generate force, don't engage the swing, don't try to move the clubhead.

 

Just let your body fall all the way down. Once you're around p-6...that's when you can turn on the gas.

 

 

[FairwaysToHeaven]

the shallowing at transition is created through rotation, not because you actively use your hands, arms, wrists, etc. i think a lot of players see a gg video and then try to squat while actively using the arms and hands to shallow and find this doesn't work as they shallow then flip.

[mocokid]

> @HoosierMizuno said:

> the shallowing at transition is created through rotation, not because you actively use your hands, arms, wrists, etc. i think a lot of players see a gg video and then try to squat while actively using the arms and hands to shallow and find this doesn't work as they shallow then flip.

 

So true, gotta work on my rotation, and push up through impact.

[SandPiper]

Malaska tipping is a manufactured move. He wouldnt have to do that tipping if he had a better backswing. He rotates his arm out of position. Imo malaska needs to go see Hardy for a lesson.

 

Drive ur car sometime not looking at the road see how u end up.