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I was hoping Monte would tell me how. I thought I understood ball flight laws, but apparently not.

 

You asked me if a proper fade had to be out to in, the answer was no.

 

Face just has to be open to path.

Yes, but isn't a "proper" fade a ball that starts left of target line and curves right to target? If so, it seems like you would need the face open to target line and path even more left. Face 1* closed, path 2* left for example.
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I was hoping Monte would tell me how. I thought I understood ball flight laws, but apparently not.

 

Y.B.

 

I'm not sure how Monte teaches the fade but give this video a watch.

 

https://blog.trackma.../hit-power-cut/

That is an informative video. Just to make sure I understand correctly, if you go to 4:51 and look at DJ's TM numbers you see that his club path is a negative value. If I hadn't seen the preceding video and only the TM numbers I would have thought the negative club path meant he was cutting across the ball from out to in. But if I am understanding correctly the club path is negative because he is aimed left and swinging along his toe line, but the TM is directly behind him so it "reads it" as out to in, but he's actually hitting from the inside. Correct?
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I was hoping Monte would tell me how. I thought I understood ball flight laws, but apparently not.

 

Y.B.

 

I'm not sure how Monte teaches the fade but give this video a watch.

 

https://blog.trackma.../hit-power-cut/

That is an informative video. Just to make sure I understand correctly, if you go to 4:51 and look at DJ's TM numbers you see that his club path is a negative value. If I hadn't seen the preceding video and only the TM numbers I would have thought the negative club path meant he was cutting across the ball from out to in. But if I am understanding correctly the club path is negative because he is aimed left and swinging along his toe line, but the TM is directly behind him so it "reads it" as out to in, but he's actually hitting from the inside. Correct?

 

I think that’s basically correct. If the TM was perfectly positioned I think it still might read that he’s slightly swinging left but it’s not a “cut swing”. It seems to me the point is to try and hone in and be consistent with your own “stock swing” whatever that is and then practice playing cuts and draws (manipulating body position and face angle) to see what you need to do to make sure your on-plane swing has the desired ball flight.

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I was hoping Monte would tell me how. I thought I understood ball flight laws, but apparently not.

 

Y.B.

 

I'm not sure how Monte teaches the fade but give this video a watch.

 

https://blog.trackma.../hit-power-cut/

That is an informative video. Just to make sure I understand correctly, if you go to 4:51 and look at DJ's TM numbers you see that his club path is a negative value. If I hadn't seen the preceding video and only the TM numbers I would have thought the negative club path meant he was cutting across the ball from out to in. But if I am understanding correctly the club path is negative because he is aimed left and swinging along his toe line, but the TM is directly behind him so it "reads it" as out to in, but he's actually hitting from the inside. Correct?

Incorrect. The path reads negative because the club head is moving left of the target line the radar has defined. Has nothing to do with DJs body alignment or relation to the ball. However he aligns himself is irrelevant... he’s moving the club left of targetline

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I was hoping Monte would tell me how. I thought I understood ball flight laws, but apparently not.

 

You asked me if a proper fade had to be out to in, the answer was no.

 

Face just has to be open to path.

Yes, but isn't a "proper" fade a ball that starts left of target line and curves right to target? If so, it seems like you would need the face open to target line and path even more left. Face 1* closed, path 2* left for example.

 

You can hit a ball that starts left of the target line that cuts to the target with an in to out path...some will say that’s the proper fade.

All "tips" are welcome. Instruction not desired. 
 

 

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I was hoping Monte would tell me how. I thought I understood ball flight laws, but apparently not.

 

Y.B.

 

I'm not sure how Monte teaches the fade but give this video a watch.

 

https://blog.trackma.../hit-power-cut/

That is an informative video. Just to make sure I understand correctly, if you go to 4:51 and look at DJ's TM numbers you see that his club path is a negative value. If I hadn't seen the preceding video and only the TM numbers I would have thought the negative club path meant he was cutting across the ball from out to in. But if I am understanding correctly the club path is negative because he is aimed left and swinging along his toe line, but the TM is directly behind him so it "reads it" as out to in, but he's actually hitting from the inside. Correct?

Incorrect. The path reads negative because the club head is moving left of the target line the radar has defined. Has nothing to do with DJs body alignment or relation to the ball. However he aligns himself is irrelevant... he’s moving the club left of targetline

If the radar was placed directly behind him on the target line AND his alignment was parallel to the target line AND he's moving the club left of target line I don't understand how he could not be swinging out to in across the ball???
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How does he square up such a shut face at impact? He could wait tables with his clubface at the top of his backswing.

 

It's Dustin's right hand that's the key. Because he's not holding the club like a rifle or flyswatter with his wrist perpendicular to the shaft, as we're all taught, he can swing it without having to rotate the shaft. Although, Dustin's grip at address looks fairly normal, look closely how he's tweaking the right hand to get the wrist more parallel to the shaft. At the top of the backswing his right hand has moved to be more parallel to the shaft than perpendicular or slightly askew. This allows him to truly use the shaft of the club like a club rather than the rifle grip which dictates you swing the club like a fly swatter.

I don't know why everyone is so concerned with his left wrist. The left wrist is only doing what the right hand forced it to do, not the other way around. For a right handed person the right hand is the most important and dexterous part of our body. The rest of the body reacts to what the right hand is doing or is going to do, and we want to remove this from the golf swing? Well yes, if you're gripping the club like a fly swatter or rifle with your right hand it's impossible to swing the club like Dustin. The club will always release too soon and roll over and it's all caused by the right hand grip.

 

The real secret is to have both wrists aligned and working in the same direction. When the wrists are aligned the forearms are parallel. We grip a baseball bat and a tennis racket this way and it works well, naturally. Why do we hold a golf club like a bat in the left hand and like a fly swatter with the right? How are two grips in different directions supposed to work together? They don't, which is why golf is so hard for so many people.

Solution: It's crazy simple ... Raise the heel pad of your right hand to be just slightly higher on your left thumb. This will put your left thumb across the heel pad and thumb pad of the right hand. Your wrists should now be aligned or at least close and your forearms should be parallel but facing in opposite directions. The club will no longer be in line with either arms and should now be more parallel to the wrists than aligned with them. If you're going to break a board with your hand you'd break it with the heel pad of your right hand without use of the right wrist at all - it's the end of the forearm you're smashing into the board. This is the same feeling you should have when you're approaching a golf ball with the club gripped properly. Your right hand will feel like it's upside down and your right forearm should be facing upward and you're not using the right wrist at all.

Watch any big hitter and you'll see this right hand position, Dustin, Sadlowsky, Flagg ... they all do it.

 

I like where this post is going even though I don’t really get it. Anyone truly get what he’s talking abt with respect to right hand and holding like a fly swatted? Any videos or illustrations out there to demo this concept?

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I was hoping Monte would tell me how. I thought I understood ball flight laws, but apparently not.

 

Y.B.

 

I'm not sure how Monte teaches the fade but give this video a watch.

 

https://blog.trackma.../hit-power-cut/

That is an informative video. Just to make sure I understand correctly, if you go to 4:51 and look at DJ's TM numbers you see that his club path is a negative value. If I hadn't seen the preceding video and only the TM numbers I would have thought the negative club path meant he was cutting across the ball from out to in. But if I am understanding correctly the club path is negative because he is aimed left and swinging along his toe line, but the TM is directly behind him so it "reads it" as out to in, but he's actually hitting from the inside. Correct?

Incorrect. The path reads negative because the club head is moving left of the target line the radar has defined. Has nothing to do with DJs body alignment or relation to the ball. However he aligns himself is irrelevant... he’s moving the club left of targetline

If the radar was placed directly behind him on the target line AND his alignment was parallel to the target line AND he's moving the club left of target line I don't understand how he could not be swinging out to in across the ball???

 

He is, DJ hits a pull cut. That is however not the only way to hit a cut

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How does he square up such a shut face at impact? He could wait tables with his clubface at the top of his backswing.

 

First off, he used to actually hit a big draw. He changed to a fade and it took him a while to get it. But originally he would hit big draws. I have the opposite wrist at the top, a bit cupped, facing towards the back of me. I hit a fade. If you're looking for a more neutral shot, have the flat wrist. But Dustin used to hit a draw, he just changed it in 2015 and in the early part of 2016, and won the U.S Open. But his swing does basically call for a draw naturally, and that's what he hit most of his career until recently.

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How does he square up such a shut face at impact? He could wait tables with his clubface at the top of his backswing.

 

First off, he used to actually hit a big draw. He changed to a fade and it took him a while to get it. But originally he would hit big draws. I have the opposite wrist at the top, a bit cupped, facing towards the back of me. I hit a fade. If you're looking for a more neutral shot, have the flat wrist. But Dustin used to hit a draw, he just changed it in 2015 and in the early part of 2016, and won the U.S Open. But his swing does basically call for a draw naturally, and that's what he hit most of his career until recently.

 

Having a strong left hand grip makes the club face closed at the top but also increases shaft lean when the left wrist is supinated thru impact. The shaft lean keeps the clubface open.

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I was hoping Monte would tell me how. I thought I understood ball flight laws, but apparently not.

 

You asked me if a proper fade had to be out to in, the answer was no.

 

Face just has to be open to path.

Yes, but isn't a "proper" fade a ball that starts left of target line and curves right to target? If so, it seems like you would need the face open to target line and path even more left. Face 1* closed, path 2* left for example.

 

You can hit a ball that starts left of the target line that cuts to the target with an in to out path...some will say that’s the proper fade.

 

I'm curious how because the 9 ball flight laws say that's not possible

 

Edit: swing path determines initial direction, correct? If that's the case, then any in to out swing path would start the ball right off the target line (assuming right handed golfer)

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I was hoping Monte would tell me how. I thought I understood ball flight laws, but apparently not.

 

You asked me if a proper fade had to be out to in, the answer was no.

 

Face just has to be open to path.

Yes, but isn't a "proper" fade a ball that starts left of target line and curves right to target? If so, it seems like you would need the face open to target line and path even more left. Face 1* closed, path 2* left for example.

 

You can hit a ball that starts left of the target line that cuts to the target with an in to out path...some will say that’s the proper fade.

 

I'm curious how because the 9 ball flight laws say that's not possible

 

Edit: swing path determines initial direction, correct? If that's the case, then any in to out swing path would start the ball right off the target line (assuming right handed golfer)

Easy.., aim way left with face wide open. You swing in to out relative to your body but still left of the target and as long as the face is more open than the swing direction the ball will fade. The ball will start on about where that face is pointing

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I was hoping Monte would tell me how. I thought I understood ball flight laws, but apparently not.

 

You asked me if a proper fade had to be out to in, the answer was no.

 

Face just has to be open to path.

Yes, but isn't a "proper" fade a ball that starts left of target line and curves right to target? If so, it seems like you would need the face open to target line and path even more left. Face 1* closed, path 2* left for example.

 

You can hit a ball that starts left of the target line that cuts to the target with an in to out path...some will say that’s the proper fade.

 

I'm curious how because the 9 ball flight laws say that's not possible

 

Edit: swing path determines initial direction, correct? If that's the case, then any in to out swing path would start the ball right off the target line (assuming right handed golfer)

 

No, face determines initial direction (technically around 85% of it). You’ve never seen a hooker of the ball, with a severe in-to-out path, snap hook one that starts left and screams out of bounds? His face needs to be only slightly closed to the target line for that to happen.

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Yes, but isn't a "proper" fade a ball that starts left of target line and curves right to target? If so, it seems like you would need the face open to target line and path even more left. Face 1* closed, path 2* left for example.

 

You can hit a ball that starts left of the target line that cuts to the target with an in to out path...some will say that’s the proper fade.

 

I'm curious how because the 9 ball flight laws say that's not possible

 

Edit: swing path determines initial direction, correct? If that's the case, then any in to out swing path would start the ball right off the target line (assuming right handed golfer)

 

No, face determines initial direction (technically around 85% of it). You’ve never seen a hooker of the ball, with a severe in-to-out path, snap hook one that starts left and screams out of bounds? His face needs to be only slightly closed to the target line for that to happen.

 

No it does not. Club path determines initial direction and then face with respect to club path determines curvature

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Yes, but isn't a "proper" fade a ball that starts left of target line and curves right to target? If so, it seems like you would need the face open to target line and path even more left. Face 1* closed, path 2* left for example.

 

You can hit a ball that starts left of the target line that cuts to the target with an in to out path...some will say that’s the proper fade.

 

I'm curious how because the 9 ball flight laws say that's not possible

 

Edit: swing path determines initial direction, correct? If that's the case, then any in to out swing path would start the ball right off the target line (assuming right handed golfer)

 

No, face determines initial direction (technically around 85% of it). You’ve never seen a hooker of the ball, with a severe in-to-out path, snap hook one that starts left and screams out of bounds? His face needs to be only slightly closed to the target line for that to happen.

 

No it does not. Club path determines initial direction and then face with respect to club path determines curvature

 

He’s absolutely right. The clubface is the largest factor in initial launch direction. Understanding the correct cause and effect will make things a lot easier for you

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Yes, but isn't a "proper" fade a ball that starts left of target line and curves right to target? If so, it seems like you would need the face open to target line and path even more left. Face 1* closed, path 2* left for example.

 

You can hit a ball that starts left of the target line that cuts to the target with an in to out path...some will say that’s the proper fade.

 

I'm curious how because the 9 ball flight laws say that's not possible

 

Edit: swing path determines initial direction, correct? If that's the case, then any in to out swing path would start the ball right off the target line (assuming right handed golfer)

 

No, face determines initial direction (technically around 85% of it). You’ve never seen a hooker of the ball, with a severe in-to-out path, snap hook one that starts left and screams out of bounds? His face needs to be only slightly closed to the target line for that to happen.

 

No it does not. Club path determines initial direction and then face with respect to club path determines curvature

 

Sorry, but your point of view has been disproved by modern technology (Trackman et al).

 

Here is all you may want to know about the “new” ball flight laws, and more: http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/ballflight.htm

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I'm curious how because the 9 ball flight laws say that's not possible

 

Edit: swing path determines initial direction, correct? If that's the case, then any in to out swing path would start the ball right off the target line (assuming right handed golfer)

 

No, face determines initial direction (technically around 85% of it). You’ve never seen a hooker of the ball, with a severe in-to-out path, snap hook one that starts left and screams out of bounds? His face needs to be only slightly closed to the target line for that to happen.

 

No it does not. Club path determines initial direction and then face with respect to club path determines curvature

 

Sorry, but your point of view has been disproved by modern technology (Trackman et al).

 

Here is all you may want to know about the “new” ball flight laws, and more: http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/ballflight.htm

 

Interesting. Ok, I stand corrected and apologize for my misunderstanding. I apparently still was under the impression of old ball fight laws

 

Edit:

I'm slightly confused by this though. Based on the below:

 

NewBallFlight.jpg

 

How would you hit a big push hook or pull slice then? Would it be to hit a big push hook you would have the club face right off Target with in to out path with the face slightly more towards target then the club path?

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