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Nowadays hard to name one

 

You have to go back 5-10 years when Endo made clubs in Japan for Epon, Yamaha, OnOff, PRGR...

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Though the company that owns it isn't Japanese, Honma clubs and shafts are made in Japan.

 

I had thought this also but there’s a thread on TSG that disputes this (assembled in Japan but forged in China). I don’t know who to believe at this point

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Yeah, confusing to say the least. My TW-U driving irons and their shafts say "Made in Japan Sakata," so I have no other reason to believe otherwise seeing how strict Japanese laws are on labeling of products.

 

There is a good article on MGS which says that they outsourced some manufacturing of the Tour World line to China to "meet demand." The article also says....

 

By going more mainstream with the Tour World line, there's criticism Honma is diluting the brand under a narrative of volume sales. This feeling exacerbated by the outsourcing to China, which leaves some of the Tour World Series irons and wedges void of the renowned "Made in JAPAN, Sakata" stamp.

 

So, if I am reading it correct, if you see the "Made in Japan, Sakata" on the club it's made in Japan. If not, it's assembled in Japan.

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Several of the series when purchased new in store will state on the box they come in "made in china". Very few models are "made in japan". What I have found is all of the GI clubs are chinese, where select forged irons are made and assembled in Japan. It seems to me they just moved some of their process to China that they no longer wanted to support in house

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My working assumption is that Miura and Epon (Endo’s brand name) forged heads are Japanese forged. They are not always assembled in Japan. They do sell just heads and are assembled by builders everywhere, including the U.S.

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My working assumption is that Miura and Epon (Endo’s brand name) forged heads are Japanese forged. They are not always assembled in Japan. They do sell just heads and are assembled by builders everywhere, including the U.S.

 

Endo has a plant in Thailand. Not sure what the split is between Japan & Thailand.

 

Miura’s Passing Point Neo Genesis line is made in China & inspected in Japan.

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My working assumption is that Miura and Epon (Endo’s brand name) forged heads are Japanese forged. They are not always assembled in Japan. They do sell just heads and are assembled by builders everywhere, including the U.S.

 

Endo has a plant in Thailand. Not sure what the split is between Japan & Thailand.

 

Miura’s Passing Point Neo Genesis line is made in China & inspected in Japan.

 

Sorry, I meant Miura’s one piece forgings. Neo Genesis is a two piece club. The face is an insert. I try to avoid Chinese forging unless certain circumstances, siuch as the OEM owns the forging house or the house is known and expected. China is a huge country and some manufacturers make excellent heads and some are really no better than counterfeit clubs the tolerances are so loose.

 

Thailand I don’t know much about golf-wise. Taiwan manufacturing is well-regarded in many fields, such as steel bicycle frames, which are outstanding in my epxerience. The challenge is China can be great or awful, and it can be difficult for consumers to know.

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Wilson Staff Model CB 5-G w/DG s300 shafts

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This one for sure made in Japan with decent price and some bargain too.

 

https://store.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/toho562/?page=1

 

 

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My working assumption is that Miura and Epon (Endo's brand name) forged heads are Japanese forged. They are not always assembled in Japan. They do sell just heads and are assembled by builders everywhere, including the U.S.

 

Endo has a plant in Thailand. Not sure what the split is between Japan & Thailand.

 

Miura's Passing Point Neo Genesis line is made in China & inspected in Japan.

 

Sorry, I meant Miura's one piece forgings. Neo Genesis is a two piece club. The face is an insert. I try to avoid Chinese forging unless certain circumstances, siuch as the OEM owns the forging house or the house is known and expected. China is a huge country and some manufacturers make excellent heads and some are really no better than counterfeit clubs the tolerances are so loose.

 

Thailand I don't know much about golf-wise. Taiwan manufacturing is well-regarded in many fields, such as steel bicycle frames, which are outstanding in my epxerience. The challenge is China can be great or awful, and it can be difficult for consumers to know.

 

The Endo plant in Thailand is suppose to be brilliant

 

all features done in house,chroming etc

 

One of the top clubmakers in Singapore has toured it and gave it 100%

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My working assumption is that Miura and Epon (Endo's brand name) forged heads are Japanese forged. They are not always assembled in Japan. They do sell just heads and are assembled by builders everywhere, including the U.S.

 

Endo has a plant in Thailand. Not sure what the split is between Japan & Thailand.

 

Miura's Passing Point Neo Genesis line is made in China & inspected in Japan.

 

Sorry, I meant Miura's one piece forgings. Neo Genesis is a two piece club. The face is an insert. I try to avoid Chinese forging unless certain circumstances, siuch as the OEM owns the forging house or the house is known and expected. China is a huge country and some manufacturers make excellent heads and some are really no better than counterfeit clubs the tolerances are so loose.

 

Thailand I don't know much about golf-wise. Taiwan manufacturing is well-regarded in many fields, such as steel bicycle frames, which are outstanding in my epxerience. The challenge is China can be great or awful, and it can be difficult for consumers to know.

 

The Endo plant in Thailand is suppose to be brilliant

 

all features done in house,chroming etc

 

One of the top clubmakers in Singapore has toured it and gave it 100%

 

Good info and not surprising. The technology and precision in some of these plants is remarkable. I have a steel bicycle frame — steel frames are lighter these days and last forever, far longer than carbon fiber or fragile aluminum — and it was laser-welded in a new plant in Taiwan. The finish on it is perfect. No thick weld beads like you usually see.

 

Your post tells me Endo forged in Thailand means worth considering.

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The key thing is know is: is the Manufacturing PROCESS and QA/QC the same or better in these low cost regions vs Japan? Obviously the labor rate & taxes are lower but if the processes aren’t compromised, then in the end, it shouldn’t matter.

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Nowadays hard to name one

 

You have to go back 5-10 years when Endo made clubs in Japan for Epon, Yamaha, OnOff, PRGR...

 

 

Epon is Endo's own brand they make!

 

Yes, but they do have and also use the plant in Taiwan. The forgings from this plant are as good perhaps better than the forgings in Japan as this is there newest most state of the art facility.

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My working assumption is that Miura and Epon (Endo's brand name) forged heads are Japanese forged. They are not always assembled in Japan. They do sell just heads and are assembled by builders everywhere, including the U.S.

 

Endo has a plant in Thailand. Not sure what the split is between Japan & Thailand.

 

Miura's Passing Point Neo Genesis line is made in China & inspected in Japan.

 

Sorry, I meant Miura's one piece forgings. Neo Genesis is a two piece club. The face is an insert. I try to avoid Chinese forging unless certain circumstances, siuch as the OEM owns the forging house or the house is known and expected. China is a huge country and some manufacturers make excellent heads and some are really no better than counterfeit clubs the tolerances are so loose.

 

Thailand I don't know much about golf-wise. Taiwan manufacturing is well-regarded in many fields, such as steel bicycle frames, which are outstanding in my epxerience. The challenge is China can be great or awful, and it can be difficult for consumers to know.

 

The Endo plant in Thailand is suppose to be brilliant

 

all features done in house,chroming etc

 

One of the top clubmakers in Singapore has toured it and gave it 100%

 

Good info and not surprising. The technology and precision in some of these plants is remarkable. I have a steel bicycle frame — steel frames are lighter these days and last forever, far longer than carbon fiber or fragile aluminum — and it was laser-welded in a new plant in Taiwan. The finish on it is perfect. No thick weld beads like you usually see.

 

Your post tells me Endo forged in Thailand means worth considering.

 

 

Taiwan is good for steels products like bicycle frames and golf shafts eg KBS. As for Thailand it is one of the largest car manufacturing regions in the southern hemisphere, hence ENDO being in Thailand. Interestingly Thailand seems to be a destination for golf manufactuing, Golf Pride (and I think Lamkin) have manufacturing facilities there, Foot Joy as well, I know their Pure Touch glove is made in Thailand.

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My working assumption is that Miura and Epon (Endos brand name) forged heads are Japanese forged. They are not always assembled in Japan. They do sell just heads and are assembled by builders everywhere, including the U.S.

 

Endo has a plant in Thailand. Not sure what the split is between Japan & Thailand.

 

Miuras Passing Point Neo Genesis line is made in China & inspected in Japan.

 

Sorry, I meant Miuras one piece forgings. Neo Genesis is a two piece club. The face is an insert. I try to avoid Chinese forging unless certain circumstances, siuch as the OEM owns the forging house or the house is known and expected. China is a huge country and some manufacturers make excellent heads and some are really no better than counterfeit clubs the tolerances are so loose.

 

Thailand I dont know much about golf-wise. Taiwan manufacturing is well-regarded in many fields, such as steel bicycle frames, which are outstanding in my epxerience. The challenge is China can be great or awful, and it can be difficult for consumers to know.

 

I thought all Miura’s are two piece - spin welded necks.

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My working assumption is that Miura and Epon (Endo’s brand name) forged heads are Japanese forged. They are not always assembled in Japan. They do sell just heads and are assembled by builders everywhere, including the U.S.

 

Endo has a plant in Thailand. Not sure what the split is between Japan & Thailand.

 

Miura’s Passing Point Neo Genesis line is made in China & inspected in Japan.

 

Sorry, I meant Miura’s one piece forgings. Neo Genesis is a two piece club. The face is an insert. I try to avoid Chinese forging unless certain circumstances, siuch as the OEM owns the forging house or the house is known and expected. China is a huge country and some manufacturers make excellent heads and some are really no better than counterfeit clubs the tolerances are so loose.

 

Thailand I don’t know much about golf-wise. Taiwan manufacturing is well-regarded in many fields, such as steel bicycle frames, which are outstanding in my epxerience. The challenge is China can be great or awful, and it can be difficult for consumers to know.

 

I thought all Miura’s are two piece - spin welded necks.

 

I think you are correct on that point - there are videos of the Miura & MG models having the hosel spin welded. I think are only a handful of brands that make fully single piece clubs, and then you get brands milling from single blocks of forged steel for their irons eg Seven Golf.

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