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I wish they would retract the anchor ban OR put a definitive length limit on putters (I don’t care either way, certainly don’t mind my competitors anchoring). I don’t like the current rule because it introduces gray area into the rules.

 

I thought the USGA’s current mission was to clarify and simplify the rules...

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I used a long putter until anchoring ban came in. I found that without anchoring my putting was worse so I went to a short putter for a while. However I could not get consistent with a short putter. I am now trying side saddle (face on) putting with a long putter held vertical or almost vertical. This so far gives me more putts hit down my intended line than any other method including anchoring. I accept that at some stage this method could be banned if some pros started using it.

 

The main point for amateurs is that hitting ball well but putting poorly sucks. It can cause some to give up golf. I am 75 years old and putting is more important now as I cannot reach all greens in regulation. Hence there is a lot of pitch and putt to my game. Take away the long putter or face on putting and my enjoyment will be a lot less.

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To me they should put a limit on the length and set it at 35-36”, as far as I’m concerned those armlock putters are anchored yet legal to play. I don’t think I’ve ever seen any recreational player with a broomstick or armlock so I don’t think it would be hurting the game in any big way. The pro’s should learn to putt with a standard length putter or find another way to make a living.

 

I am definitely a recreational player (10 handicap). I putt sidesaddle and use a 46" inch putter without any type of anchoring. It WOULD hurt my game.

So I wouldn't understand a ban on the length of a putter.

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I used a long putter until anchoring ban came in. I found that without anchoring my putting was worse so I went to a short putter for a while. However I could not get consistent with a short putter. I am now trying side saddle (face on) putting with a long putter held vertical or almost vertical. This so far gives me more putts hit down my intended line than any other method including anchoring. I accept that at some stage this method could be banned if some pros started using it.

 

The main point for amateurs is that hitting ball well but putting poorly sucks. It can cause some to give up golf. I am 75 years old and putting is more important now as I cannot reach all greens in regulation. Hence there is a lot of pitch and putt to my game. Take away the long putter or face on putting and my enjoyment will be a lot less.

 

Never underestimate the ability of the USGA to screw up, but I don't think there is a way to write a rule that prevents side saddle putting.

 

First of all, EVERYBODY stands beside the ball; side saddle is an EXTREMELY open stance, nothing more. The only things they could do would be to put a limit on putter length and prohibit grips that are two pieces. But remember that Snead putted on Tour (and won 4 times!) using a Bullseye standard length and a single piece grip. In any case, a special rule for clubs used on the green limiting them to less than the standard for all clubs of 48" becomes an administrative nightmare on multiple levels.

 

My problem with the anchoring ban is that it is the only time in golf history that I know of that the USGA has made a rule about how a golfer can hold and swing the golf club. That is VERY different kind of rule from rules about equipment, how the game is played, penalties, etc. Golfers have used every possible way to hold the putter, and all sorts of grips and stances to hit full swing shots; this has been going on literally for centuries.

 

In short, the anchoring ban was a solution in search of a problem, and the USGA used a "Ready, Fire, Aim" approach. My distaste for the USGA is second only to my distaste for the NCAA; both are institutions who aim to protect the revenue stream flowing toward people that already have money.

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To me they should put a limit on the length and set it at 35-36”, as far as I’m concerned those armlock putters are anchored yet legal to play. I don’t think I’ve ever seen any recreational player with a broomstick or armlock so I don’t think it would be hurting the game in any big way. The pro’s should learn to putt with a standard length putter or find another way to make a living.

 

Yes Mr Fuji...exactly!

I was ranting about professional's when I started this thread.

If it was up to me...I would say you have to hold all clubs in your hands. No grip or shaft anchored against arm, chin, belly or chest.

Recreational golfers should use whatever method or club that makes the game more fun for them.

Thanks for everyone's opinion!

 

As mentioned earlier i use a 38 inch counterbalanced putter. It's not anchored or against my forearm, the extra 2-3 inches are just a weight counterbalance

 

So you would want these outlawed too?

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Whatever freak show you’re running on the greens, just get it done and get off quickly. Ain’t got time for that crap.

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I used a long putter until anchoring ban came in. I found that without anchoring my putting was worse so I went to a short putter for a while. However I could not get consistent with a short putter. I am now trying side saddle (face on) putting with a long putter held vertical or almost vertical. This so far gives me more putts hit down my intended line than any other method including anchoring. I accept that at some stage this method could be banned if some pros started using it.

 

The main point for amateurs is that hitting ball well but putting poorly sucks. It can cause some to give up golf. I am 75 years old and putting is more important now as I cannot reach all greens in regulation. Hence there is a lot of pitch and putt to my game. Take away the long putter or face on putting and my enjoyment will be a lot less.

The courses here in this retirement and tourist mecca faced the same problem. There are a lot of folks obviously your age and older playing league golf. When the anchoring ban went into effect a lot of those league players were going to give up the game entirely. A lot of the courses instituted a "local rule" which is entirely legal BTW to disregard the anchoring ban for league play. If you do not play stipulated comps or league play (if they don't disregard the rule) I for one have absolutely no problem on anchoring for whatever reason one chooses. Hey you stated it helps you enjoy and play the game that IMHO is a good enough reason. In your case anyone that has a problem with you anchoring has deeper problems themselves. I say to you personally screw em keep on anchoring and have fun and PLAY GOLF

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To me they should put a limit on the length and set it at 35-36”, as far as I’m concerned those armlock putters are anchored yet legal to play. I don’t think I’ve ever seen any recreational player with a broomstick or armlock so I don’t think it would be hurting the game in any big way. The pro’s should learn to putt with a standard length putter or find another way to make a living.

 

Yes Mr Fuji...exactly!

I was ranting about professional's when I started this thread.

If it was up to me...I would say you have to hold all clubs in your hands. No grip or shaft anchored against arm, chin, belly or chest.

Recreational golfers should use whatever method or club that makes the game more fun for them.

Thanks for everyone's opinion!

 

As mentioned earlier i use a 38 inch counterbalanced putter. It's not anchored or against my forearm, the extra 2-3 inches are just a weight counterbalance

 

So you would want these outlawed too?

 

I don’t recall ever seeing Mtljeff on a PGA leaderboard so you’re good to go. I’m only referring to professional players, who cares about recreational golfers so have fun and use what works to make you the best you can be.

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To me they should put a limit on the length and set it at 35-36”, as far as I’m concerned those armlock putters are anchored yet legal to play. I don’t think I’ve ever seen any recreational player with a broomstick or armlock so I don’t think it would be hurting the game in any big way. The pro’s should learn to putt with a standard length putter or find another way to make a living.

 

Yes Mr Fuji...exactly!

I was ranting about professional's when I started this thread.

If it was up to me...I would say you have to hold all clubs in your hands. No grip or shaft anchored against arm, chin, belly or chest.

Recreational golfers should use whatever method or club that makes the game more fun for them.

Thanks for everyone's opinion!

 

As mentioned earlier i use a 38 inch counterbalanced putter. It's not anchored or against my forearm, the extra 2-3 inches are just a weight counterbalance

 

So you would want these outlawed too?

 

I don’t recall ever seeing Mtljeff on a PGA leaderboard so you’re good to go. I’m only referring to professional players, who cares about recreational golfers so have fun and use what works to make you the best you can be.

 

By "recreational golfers", do you mean guys that play once a month on a Saturday with their buddies? Or did you have something bigger in mind? And a lot of those guys don't follow the Rules anyway; they take mulligans, they play the ball up, they don't putt out, they don't take stroke and distance, and so on, so I don't know that anybody cares what they are doing with their equipment, including putters.

 

But you realize, I'm sure, that there is a fair amount of territory in between the PGA leaderboard and "recreational golfers", right?

 

Like college golf. Or junior golf. Or amateur tournament golf. Or club tournament golf. Or league play. I could go on, but you get the idea. The PGA Tour, and ALL professional golf, is a tiny, tiny fraction of the golfers who are playing competitively under the Rules of Golf, and that's the issue. The grooves rule applies to all of us. The 14 club rule applies to all of us. And so does the anchoring ban.

 

And to be clear, the ban was on anchoring. ALL golf clubs are limited to 48"; drivers, putters, all of them. For everybody.

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To me they should put a limit on the length and set it at 35-36”, as far as I’m concerned those armlock putters are anchored yet legal to play. I don’t think I’ve ever seen any recreational player with a broomstick or armlock so I don’t think it would be hurting the game in any big way. The pro’s should learn to putt with a standard length putter or find another way to make a living.

 

Yes Mr Fuji...exactly!

I was ranting about professional's when I started this thread.

If it was up to me...I would say you have to hold all clubs in your hands. No grip or shaft anchored against arm, chin, belly or chest.

Recreational golfers should use whatever method or club that makes the game more fun for them.

Thanks for everyone's opinion!

 

As mentioned earlier i use a 38 inch counterbalanced putter. It's not anchored or against my forearm, the extra 2-3 inches are just a weight counterbalance

 

So you would want these outlawed too?

 

I don’t recall ever seeing Mtljeff on a PGA leaderboard so you’re good to go. I’m only referring to professional players, who cares about recreational golfers so have fun and use what works to make you the best you can be.

 

By "recreational golfers", do you mean guys that play once a month on a Saturday with their buddies? Or did you have something bigger in mind? And a lot of those guys don't follow the Rules anyway; they take mulligans, they play the ball up, they don't putt out, they don't take stroke and distance, and so on, so I don't know that anybody cares what they are doing with their equipment, including putters.

 

But you realize, I'm sure, that there is a fair amount of territory in between the PGA leaderboard and "recreational golfers", right?

 

Like college golf. Or junior golf. Or amateur tournament golf. Or club tournament golf. Or league play. I could go on, but you get the idea. The PGA Tour, and ALL professional golf, is a tiny, tiny fraction of the golfers who are playing competitively under the Rules of Golf, and that's the issue. The grooves rule applies to all of us. The 14 club rule applies to all of us. And so does the anchoring ban.

 

And to be clear, the ban was on anchoring. ALL golf clubs are limited to 48"; drivers, putters, all of them. For everybody.

 

Putters do not have a limit on their length.

 

The overall length of the club must be at least 18 inches (0.457 m) and, except for putters, must not exceed 48 inches (1.219 m).

 

http://www.usga.org/...tml#!rule-14617

Knowledge of the Rules is part of the applied skill set which a player must use to play competitive golf.

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To me they should put a limit on the length and set it at 35-36”, as far as I’m concerned those armlock putters are anchored yet legal to play. I don’t think I’ve ever seen any recreational player with a broomstick or armlock so I don’t think it would be hurting the game in any big way. The pro’s should learn to putt with a standard length putter or find another way to make a living.

 

Yes Mr Fuji...exactly!

I was ranting about professional's when I started this thread.

If it was up to me...I would say you have to hold all clubs in your hands. No grip or shaft anchored against arm, chin, belly or chest.

Recreational golfers should use whatever method or club that makes the game more fun for them.

Thanks for everyone's opinion!

 

As mentioned earlier i use a 38 inch counterbalanced putter. It's not anchored or against my forearm, the extra 2-3 inches are just a weight counterbalance

 

So you would want these outlawed too?

 

I don’t recall ever seeing Mtljeff on a PGA leaderboard so you’re good to go. I’m only referring to professional players, who cares about recreational golfers so have fun and use what works to make you the best you can be.

 

By "recreational golfers", do you mean guys that play once a month on a Saturday with their buddies? Or did you have something bigger in mind? And a lot of those guys don't follow the Rules anyway; they take mulligans, they play the ball up, they don't putt out, they don't take stroke and distance, and so on, so I don't know that anybody cares what they are doing with their equipment, including putters.

 

But you realize, I'm sure, that there is a fair amount of territory in between the PGA leaderboard and "recreational golfers", right?

 

Like college golf. Or junior golf. Or amateur tournament golf. Or club tournament golf. Or league play. I could go on, but you get the idea. The PGA Tour, and ALL professional golf, is a tiny, tiny fraction of the golfers who are playing competitively under the Rules of Golf, and that's the issue. The grooves rule applies to all of us. The 14 club rule applies to all of us. And so does the anchoring ban.

 

And to be clear, the ban was on anchoring. ALL golf clubs are limited to 48"; drivers, putters, all of them. For everybody.

It does not apply to me because I do not play comps or Mini Tours anymore. The groups I play with even gambling for modest stakes do not give 2 rips either what you play and that includes anchoring. I would say that less than 5% of all worldwide that play the game including all the professional tours and those playing USGA comps etc go strictly conforming------ Most folks do like you said in the beginning play like they want to---- I mean what is the USGA gonna do take you out with a drone or something if you have gasp a set of 1982 Macgregors in the bag on the course??? Of course if I want to go back to playing comps etc I do have 2 conforming sets of irons MP-68s or Cally 2013 forged X--- Actually if I submitted my VIPS they would be conforming. I just like playing the old stuff. IMHO 95% of all who play the game could give 2 hoots less about the USGA , The PGA or the R&A for that matter

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To me they should put a limit on the length and set it at 35-36”, as far as I’m concerned those armlock putters are anchored yet legal to play. I don’t think I’ve ever seen any recreational player with a broomstick or armlock so I don’t think it would be hurting the game in any big way. The pro’s should learn to putt with a standard length putter or find another way to make a living.

 

Yes Mr Fuji...exactly!

I was ranting about professional's when I started this thread.

If it was up to me...I would say you have to hold all clubs in your hands. No grip or shaft anchored against arm, chin, belly or chest.

Recreational golfers should use whatever method or club that makes the game more fun for them.

Thanks for everyone's opinion!

 

As mentioned earlier i use a 38 inch counterbalanced putter. It's not anchored or against my forearm, the extra 2-3 inches are just a weight counterbalance

 

So you would want these outlawed too?

 

I don’t recall ever seeing Mtljeff on a PGA leaderboard so you’re good to go. I’m only referring to professional players, who cares about recreational golfers so have fun and use what works to make you the best you can be.

But Mtljeff is one heck of a writer and poster

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To me they should put a limit on the length and set it at 35-36”, as far as I’m concerned those armlock putters are anchored yet legal to play. I don’t think I’ve ever seen any recreational player with a broomstick or armlock so I don’t think it would be hurting the game in any big way. The pro’s should learn to putt with a standard length putter or find another way to make a living.

 

Yes Mr Fuji...exactly!

I was ranting about professional's when I started this thread.

If it was up to me...I would say you have to hold all clubs in your hands. No grip or shaft anchored against arm, chin, belly or chest.

Recreational golfers should use whatever method or club that makes the game more fun for them.

Thanks for everyone's opinion!

 

As mentioned earlier i use a 38 inch counterbalanced putter. It's not anchored or against my forearm, the extra 2-3 inches are just a weight counterbalance

 

So you would want these outlawed too?

 

I don’t recall ever seeing Mtljeff on a PGA leaderboard so you’re good to go. I’m only referring to professional players, who cares about recreational golfers so have fun and use what works to make you the best you can be.

 

By "recreational golfers", do you mean guys that play once a month on a Saturday with their buddies? Or did you have something bigger in mind? And a lot of those guys don't follow the Rules anyway; they take mulligans, they play the ball up, they don't putt out, they don't take stroke and distance, and so on, so I don't know that anybody cares what they are doing with their equipment, including putters.

 

But you realize, I'm sure, that there is a fair amount of territory in between the PGA leaderboard and "recreational golfers", right?

 

Like college golf. Or junior golf. Or amateur tournament golf. Or club tournament golf. Or league play. I could go on, but you get the idea. The PGA Tour, and ALL professional golf, is a tiny, tiny fraction of the golfers who are playing competitively under the Rules of Golf, and that's the issue. The grooves rule applies to all of us. The 14 club rule applies to all of us. And so does the anchoring ban.

 

And to be clear, the ban was on anchoring. ALL golf clubs are limited to 48"; drivers, putters, all of them. For everybody.

 

I’m taking about the ones playing for a living. Everyone below that level can use what they want if it helps/works for them. Kind of like using aluminum bats until you hit the bigs then you’re swinging wood as they’re supposed be the best of the best and shouldn’t need an advantage to aid in their abilities.

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Kind of an interesting topic, personally I had no issue with anchoring and I believe the governing bodies made it worse with the way the rules were implemented. I think the long putter is fine, I would never use one but we shouldn't discourage others from trying it. There are plenty of other equipment related issues with the game that one could say gives players an advantage. That was and currently is my biggest issue with the anchor ban, anybody could've used that technique and if it were such a performance enhancer everybody would've used it.

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To me they should put a limit on the length and set it at 35-36”, as far as I’m concerned those armlock putters are anchored yet legal to play. I don’t think I’ve ever seen any recreational player with a broomstick or armlock so I don’t think it would be hurting the game in any big way. The pro’s should learn to putt with a standard length putter or find another way to make a living.

 

Yes Mr Fuji...exactly!

I was ranting about professional's when I started this thread.

If it was up to me...I would say you have to hold all clubs in your hands. No grip or shaft anchored against arm, chin, belly or chest.

Recreational golfers should use whatever method or club that makes the game more fun for them.

Thanks for everyone's opinion!

 

As mentioned earlier i use a 38 inch counterbalanced putter. It's not anchored or against my forearm, the extra 2-3 inches are just a weight counterbalance

 

So you would want these outlawed too?

 

I don’t recall ever seeing Mtljeff on a PGA leaderboard so you’re good to go. I’m only referring to professional players, who cares about recreational golfers so have fun and use what works to make you the best you can be.

 

MtlJeff is just my username here, on tour i go by my given name: Jeev Milkha Singh

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Somewhere along the line, somebody important must have defined “the spirit of the game” in order to begin regulating the equipment and/or methods used to golf a ball... based solely on that definition.

 

Here’s the R&As definition:

 

“The game relies on the integrity of the individual to show consideration for other players and to abide by the Rules. All players should conduct themselves in a disciplined manner, demonstrating courtesy and sportsmanship at all times, irrespective of how competitive they may be. This is the spirit of the game of golf.”

 

How on Gods green earth did a ruling body ban anchored putters based on that?

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Somewhere along the line, somebody important must have defined "the spirit of the game" in order to begin regulating the equipment and/or methods used to golf a ball... based solely on that definition.

 

Here's the R&As definition:

 

"The game relies on the integrity of the individual to show consideration for other players and to abide by the Rules. All players should conduct themselves in a disciplined manner, demonstrating courtesy and sportsmanship at all times, irrespective of how competitive they may be. This is the spirit of the game of golf."

 

How on Gods green earth did a ruling body ban anchored putters based on that?

 

Go away and start another tedious discussion on why you deserve free relief from divot holes. :swoon:

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Somewhere along the line, somebody important must have defined "the spirit of the game" in order to begin regulating the equipment and/or methods used to golf a ball... based solely on that definition.

 

Here's the R&As definition:

 

"The game relies on the integrity of the individual to show consideration for other players and to abide by the Rules. All players should conduct themselves in a disciplined manner, demonstrating courtesy and sportsmanship at all times, irrespective of how competitive they may be. This is the spirit of the game of golf."

 

How on Gods green earth did a ruling body ban anchored putters based on that?

 

Go away and start another tedious discussion on why you deserve free relief from divot holes. :swoon:

 

Dear Sue,

 

Thanks for that nice comment.

 

I'm not going away, but now that you mentioned it, divots deserve way more attention than long putters. Not everybody has a long putter, but everybody has a divot with their name on it.

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      New Swag covers - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jacob Bridgeman's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Bud Cauley's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Ryo Hisatsune's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Chris Kirk - new black Callaway Apex CB irons and a few Odyssey putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alejandro Tosti's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #3
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put and questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Monday #1
      2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Monday #2
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Ben Taylor - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Garrick Higgo - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Billy Horschel - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Justin Lower - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Lanto Griffin - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Bud Cauley - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Corbin Burnes (2021 NL Cy Young) - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Greyson Sigg - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Charley Hoffman - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Nico Echavarria - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Victor Perez - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Sami Valimaki - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Ryo Hisatsune - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
       
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Jake Knapp's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      New Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Tyler Duncan's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Greyson Sigg's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Sunjae Im's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Ping's Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Vincent Whaley's custom Cameron - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Odyssey Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Super Stroke custom grips - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Zac Blair's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Bettinardi Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
       
       
       
       
       
       

       
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