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Hey, I play pretty good but I don’t really spin the ball well. Any suggestions for a wedge shaft to help with this?

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Hey, I play pretty good but I don’t really spin the ball well. Any suggestions for a wedge shaft to help with this?

 

Honestly for me it’s something softer and lighter than what’s in my irons. I currently play $-taper 125 S+ in my irons and play $-Taper 120 Stiff in my wedges. I promise a wedge shaft isn’t going to really make that much of a difference though. It’s all about impact position combined with a urethane golf ball and clean grooves.

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The wedge I am working with is a tm Hitoe 58 degree

Driver: Paradym 3D Ventus black TR 6x

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19 degree UW: Ventus black TR 8x

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Hey, I play pretty good but I don’t really spin the ball well. Any suggestions for a wedge shaft to help with this?

 

It’s not the shaft, nor is it the wedges you play. Look at the last line in your signature...the ball is the thing.

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I was playing a Bridgestone BXS Ball. I have played every ball there there is. I know that I am generally a low spin player.

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Lots of forward shaft lean at impact with a spinny ball and a wedge with deep, sharp, and clean grooves. Shaft is irrelevant.

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I was playing a Bridgestone BXS Ball. I have played every ball there there is. I know that I am generally a low spin player.

 

The Hi-Toe is VERY high spin... Shaft won't really be much of a factor. I agree with a ball change; Prov1, TP5, and Chrome Soft with fresh clean grooves and a shallow yet accelerated downward strike will give you what you're looking for.

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Lots of forward shaft lean at impact with a spinny ball and a wedge with deep, sharp, and clean grooves. Shaft is irrelevant.

 

Incorrect, " Lots" of forward shaft lean results in decreasing the actual loft of the clubface. Therefore a 58* with too much shaft lean will only have an effective loft of between 52-55*.

 

Yes, you want SOME shaft lean but to reaaaalllly generate Tour Player wedge spin... You want to attempt a downward strike on the ball with the most loft you can while achieving the distance you need.

 

Ex. 58* opened to 61* will spin, but you will be 20 yards short of your target.

 

EDIT: ... And contrary to the belief that you're supposed to be hitting a wedge in the back of your stance. If you watch Spieth, DJ, Rory, and Tiger... They typically are hitting those "Spinners" off their left foot to at their left shoulder. This allows a more lofted yet shallow angle of attack.

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I was playing a Bridgestone BXS Ball. I have played every ball there there is. I know that I am generally a low spin player.

 

The Hi-Toe is VERY high spin... Shaft won't really be much of a factor. I agree with a ball change; Prov1, TP5, and Chrome Soft with fresh clean grooves and a shallow yet accelerated downward strike will give you what you're looking for.

 

Completely agree with this, especially a shallow AOA and acceleration/speed through impact.

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Lots of forward shaft lean at impact with a spinny ball and a wedge with deep, sharp, and clean grooves. Shaft is irrelevant.

 

Incorrect, " Lots" of forward shaft lean results in decreasing the actual loft of the clubface. Therefore a 58* with too much shaft lean will only have an effective loft of between 52-55*.

 

Yes, you want SOME shaft lean but to reaaaalllly generate Tour Player wedge spin... You want to attempt a downward strike on the ball with the most loft you can while achieving the distance you need.

 

Ex. 58* opened to 61* will spin, but you will be 20 yards short of your target.

 

EDIT: ... And contrary to the belief that you're supposed to be hitting a wedge in the back of your stance. If you watch Spieth, DJ, Rory, and Tiger... They typically are hitting those "Spinners" off their left foot to at their left shoulder. This allows a more lofted yet shallow angle of attack.

 

Actually, you are probably more incorrect than he is. The most efficient spin is generated around 45*+- of spin loft. Higher lofted wedges at a number close to their static loft are pretty inefficient for generating spin and need to be delofted at impact to increase efficiency. So no, your assumption of how this all works is not correct.

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Spin is mostly a combination of the hit and the grooves.

 

I used to play the Aldila Lobster Pro 120 wedge shaft when I had Aldila NV Pro 105s on my irons.. Still have one on a sand wedge that I occasionally bag.

 

Now I order wedges with whatever shaft is on my irons, presently UST Recoil 95s.

 

The best solution for maximum spin, I'm not ashamed to say, is a machine shop that can mill radically non-conforming grooves.

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I find softer tip shafts will help *some*. I wouldn't be surprised if the cbx wedge spins more as well, due to the increased ballspeed on slight mishits

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I think shaft can help promote spin. Softer tips and slightly different kick point will alter the shot. A lot of tour guys go s400 in their wedges due to softer tips and it kicks to create more spin. A lot of companies are offering spinner shafts due to softer tips. I created my own spinner shaft on my wedges and I can suck that ball back 10 to 15 ft if I want to. AOA helps on how you pinch the ball, but there are shafts that can help. There are multiple threads on here creating spinner shafts.

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I just ordered Callaway Mack Daddy Four 54 and 58 degree wedges with XP95 shaft. I'm sceptical and there's a chance the shaft will spin the living jesus out of the ball but I'll give it a try. Maybe it's not a bad thing to mostly play partial shots but have a lot of "spin reserve" if one needs to give the ball a full whack and spin it like there's no tomorrow.

 

If this doesn't work I'll just change the shafts.

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Lots of forward shaft lean at impact with a spinny ball and a wedge with deep, sharp, and clean grooves. Shaft is irrelevant.

 

Incorrect, " Lots" of forward shaft lean results in decreasing the actual loft of the clubface. Therefore a 58* with too much shaft lean will only have an effective loft of between 52-55*.

 

Yes, you want SOME shaft lean but to reaaaalllly generate Tour Player wedge spin... You want to attempt a downward strike on the ball with the most loft you can while achieving the distance you need.

 

Ex. 58* opened to 61* will spin, but you will be 20 yards short of your target.

 

EDIT: ... And contrary to the belief that you're supposed to be hitting a wedge in the back of your stance. If you watch Spieth, DJ, Rory, and Tiger... They typically are hitting those "Spinners" off their left foot to at their left shoulder. This allows a more lofted yet shallow angle of attack.

 

Actually, you are probably more incorrect than he is. The most efficient spin is generated around 45*+- of spin loft. Higher lofted wedges at a number close to their static loft are pretty inefficient for generating spin and need to be delofted at impact to increase efficiency. So no, your assumption of how this all works is not correct.

 

You sir... are incorrect. It is a known fact that a 56* wedge will spin the most out of ANY wedge or loft. More then a 60* as well. Watch videos from Martin Chuck, Butch Harmon, etc.

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Spin is mostly a combination of the hit and the grooves.

 

I used to play the Aldila Lobster Pro 120 wedge shaft when I had Aldila NV Pro 105s on my irons.. Still have one on a sand wedge that I occasionally bag.

 

Now I order wedges with whatever shaft is on my irons, presently UST Recoil 95s.

 

The best solution for maximum spin, I'm not ashamed to say, is a machine shop that can mill radically non-conforming grooves.

 

Or get a set of Haywood wedges, have you seen the face on those things????!

Never seen such aggressive milling on a wedge in my life.

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Suggestion from the Vokey camp: Softstep the same shaft you have in your numbered irons.

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Lots of forward shaft lean at impact with a spinny ball and a wedge with deep, sharp, and clean grooves. Shaft is irrelevant.

 

Incorrect, " Lots" of forward shaft lean results in decreasing the actual loft of the clubface. Therefore a 58* with too much shaft lean will only have an effective loft of between 52-55*.

 

Yes, you want SOME shaft lean but to reaaaalllly generate Tour Player wedge spin... You want to attempt a downward strike on the ball with the most loft you can while achieving the distance you need.

 

Ex. 58* opened to 61* will spin, but you will be 20 yards short of your target.

 

EDIT: ... And contrary to the belief that you're supposed to be hitting a wedge in the back of your stance. If you watch Spieth, DJ, Rory, and Tiger... They typically are hitting those "Spinners" off their left foot to at their left shoulder. This allows a more lofted yet shallow angle of attack.

 

Actually, you are probably more incorrect than he is. The most efficient spin is generated around 45*+- of spin loft. Higher lofted wedges at a number close to their static loft are pretty inefficient for generating spin and need to be delofted at impact to increase efficiency. So no, your assumption of how this all works is not correct.

 

You sir... are incorrect. It is a known fact that a 56* wedge will spin the most out of ANY wedge or loft. More then a 60* as well. Watch videos from Martin Chuck, Butch Harmon, etc.

 

You go ahead and keep telling yourself that.

 

Here’s what is a known fact...

 

Static loft number has nothing to do with the spin loft number created at impact. Above about 45* of spin loft, spin effeciency starts to deminish as the oblique impact loses the ability to generate friction between the club and ball.

 

Go ahead and ask Martin or any of the other guys out there and they’ll provide you the same info. Go ask Monte or Dan(iTeach) in the instruction forum and you’ll get the same answer.

 

Just one small example...

 

You do not understand things as well as you think you do.

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Lots of forward shaft lean at impact with a spinny ball and a wedge with deep, sharp, and clean grooves. Shaft is irrelevant.

 

Incorrect, " Lots" of forward shaft lean results in decreasing the actual loft of the clubface. Therefore a 58* with too much shaft lean will only have an effective loft of between 52-55*.

 

Yes, you want SOME shaft lean but to reaaaalllly generate Tour Player wedge spin... You want to attempt a downward strike on the ball with the most loft you can while achieving the distance you need.

 

Ex. 58* opened to 61* will spin, but you will be 20 yards short of your target.

 

EDIT: ... And contrary to the belief that you're supposed to be hitting a wedge in the back of your stance. If you watch Spieth, DJ, Rory, and Tiger... They typically are hitting those "Spinners" off their left foot to at their left shoulder. This allows a more lofted yet shallow angle of attack.

 

I guess you've never seen Lee Trevino make a low flying wedge spinner on the green while taking a huge divot.

 

The ignorance is strong in you....

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Lots of forward shaft lean at impact with a spinny ball and a wedge with deep, sharp, and clean grooves. Shaft is irrelevant.

 

Incorrect, " Lots" of forward shaft lean results in decreasing the actual loft of the clubface. Therefore a 58* with too much shaft lean will only have an effective loft of between 52-55*.

 

Yes, you want SOME shaft lean but to reaaaalllly generate Tour Player wedge spin... You want to attempt a downward strike on the ball with the most loft you can while achieving the distance you need.

 

Ex. 58* opened to 61* will spin, but you will be 20 yards short of your target.

 

EDIT: ... And contrary to the belief that you're supposed to be hitting a wedge in the back of your stance. If you watch Spieth, DJ, Rory, and Tiger... They typically are hitting those "Spinners" off their left foot to at their left shoulder. This allows a more lofted yet shallow angle of attack.

 

I guess you've never seen Lee Trevino make a low flying wedge spinner on the green while taking a huge divot.

 

The ignorance is strong in you....

 

I've seen many guys hit a low high spinning shot with the ball towards the back of their stance. I'm not saying it's not possible. I am simply stating the margin for error is higher with that ball position. Secondly, in addition to being an easier shot, the strike with the ball neutral or slightly forward will give you a great angle to perform a shallow descending blow while keeping the loft on the clubface as close to true as possible.

 

I can hit the low trajectory high spinner if I want to... It's just a harder shot and I've seen plenty of tour Pros have difficulty with that shot... Flubbing or chili dipping the $hit out of it in front of millions of people.

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Lots of forward shaft lean at impact with a spinny ball and a wedge with deep, sharp, and clean grooves. Shaft is irrelevant.

 

Incorrect, " Lots" of forward shaft lean results in decreasing the actual loft of the clubface. Therefore a 58* with too much shaft lean will only have an effective loft of between 52-55*.

 

Yes, you want SOME shaft lean but to reaaaalllly generate Tour Player wedge spin... You want to attempt a downward strike on the ball with the most loft you can while achieving the distance you need.

 

Ex. 58* opened to 61* will spin, but you will be 20 yards short of your target.

 

EDIT: ... And contrary to the belief that you're supposed to be hitting a wedge in the back of your stance. If you watch Spieth, DJ, Rory, and Tiger... They typically are hitting those "Spinners" off their left foot to at their left shoulder. This allows a more lofted yet shallow angle of attack.

 

There’s a real popular line from Billy Madison that I’d love to quote right now but that would be mean so I’ll refrain from doing so.

 

Honestly, if I’m trying to create spin I’m probably using my 56 or 52 with forward shaft lean, ball back in my stance and a slightly shallow angle of attack to keep from hitting the ball high on the face. If I have a shot where I’m not really able to spin it due to the lie or slope of the green then I’m going to use my 60 and try to stop it with trajectory.

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Lots of forward shaft lean at impact with a spinny ball and a wedge with deep, sharp, and clean grooves. Shaft is irrelevant.

 

Incorrect, " Lots" of forward shaft lean results in decreasing the actual loft of the clubface. Therefore a 58* with too much shaft lean will only have an effective loft of between 52-55*.

 

Yes, you want SOME shaft lean but to reaaaalllly generate Tour Player wedge spin... You want to attempt a downward strike on the ball with the most loft you can while achieving the distance you need.

 

Ex. 58* opened to 61* will spin, but you will be 20 yards short of your target.

 

EDIT: ... And contrary to the belief that you're supposed to be hitting a wedge in the back of your stance. If you watch Spieth, DJ, Rory, and Tiger... They typically are hitting those "Spinners" off their left foot to at their left shoulder. This allows a more lofted yet shallow angle of attack.

 

Actually, you are probably more incorrect than he is. The most efficient spin is generated around 45*+- of spin loft. Higher lofted wedges at a number close to their static loft are pretty inefficient for generating spin and need to be delofted at impact to increase efficiency. So no, your assumption of how this all works is not correct.

 

You sir... are incorrect. It is a known fact that a 56* wedge will spin the most out of ANY wedge or loft. More then a 60* as well. Watch videos from Martin Chuck, Butch Harmon, etc.

 

Where do all you experts get your education?

 

Like Golfrnut is trying to explain, max spin has a peak where spin loft is 45*

 

Spin loft

= Dynamic loft - AOA + Face to path.

 

I would love to see how we could get a 56* static lofted wedge down to a spin loft of 45...

 

A club with 45* static loft, 0* AOA, face to path of 0* and no forward shaft bending would have a spin loft of 45*

 

If we add a negative AOA of -5*, spin loft would now go up to 50*, so in this case, a AOA of 5* adds spin to the club with a static loft of 40* while the same AOA of -5* reduces spin on the club with a static loft of 45*

 

When it comes to wedge shafts, we can add spin by using a shaft like DG Spinner, or the 8 iron spinner trick. Both of them holds back spin loft, thats where the added spin comes from.

 

If we use a softer tipped shaft, it will add dynamic loft and launch, who gives a steaper descent and softer landing, but NOT added spin....not for any club where we go beyond a spin loft of 45*

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Lots of forward shaft lean at impact with a spinny ball and a wedge with deep, sharp, and clean grooves. Shaft is irrelevant.

 

Incorrect, " Lots" of forward shaft lean results in decreasing the actual loft of the clubface. Therefore a 58* with too much shaft lean will only have an effective loft of between 52-55*.

 

Yes, you want SOME shaft lean but to reaaaalllly generate Tour Player wedge spin... You want to attempt a downward strike on the ball with the most loft you can while achieving the distance you need.

 

Ex. 58* opened to 61* will spin, but you will be 20 yards short of your target.

 

EDIT: ... And contrary to the belief that you're supposed to be hitting a wedge in the back of your stance. If you watch Spieth, DJ, Rory, and Tiger... They typically are hitting those "Spinners" off their left foot to at their left shoulder. This allows a more lofted yet shallow angle of attack.

 

Actually, you are probably more incorrect than he is. The most efficient spin is generated around 45*+- of spin loft. Higher lofted wedges at a number close to their static loft are pretty inefficient for generating spin and need to be delofted at impact to increase efficiency. So no, your assumption of how this all works is not correct.

 

You sir... are incorrect. It is a known fact that a 56* wedge will spin the most out of ANY wedge or loft. More then a 60* as well. Watch videos from Martin Chuck, Butch Harmon, etc.

 

Where do all you experts get your education?

 

Like Golfrnut is trying to explain, max spin has a peak where spin loft is 45*

 

Spin loft

= Dynamic loft - AOA + Face to path.

 

I would love to see how we could get a 56* static lofted wedge down to a spin loft of 45...

 

A club with 45* static loft, 0* AOA, face to path of 0* and no forward shaft bending would have a spin loft of 45*

 

If we add a negative AOA of -5*, spin loft would now go up to 50*, so in this case, a AOA of 5* adds spin to the club with a static loft of 40* while the same AOA of -5* reduces spin on the club with a static loft of 45*

 

When it comes to wedge shafts, we can add spin by using a shaft like DG Spinner, or the 8 iron spinner trick. Both of them holds back spin loft, thats where the added spin comes from.

 

If we use a softer tipped shaft, it will add dynamic loft and launch, who gives a steaper descent and softer landing, but NOT added spin....not for any club where we go beyond a spin loft of 45*

 

so, since this conversation has switched from shafts, to spin loft. i started reading up about spin loft. It is very interesting. The question i have is that you can have a high spin loft than 45, and you will get more spin from that, it just become less efficient in terms of spin generated. Correct?

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Lots of forward shaft lean at impact with a spinny ball and a wedge with deep, sharp, and clean grooves. Shaft is irrelevant.

 

Incorrect, " Lots" of forward shaft lean results in decreasing the actual loft of the clubface. Therefore a 58* with too much shaft lean will only have an effective loft of between 52-55*.

 

Yes, you want SOME shaft lean but to reaaaalllly generate Tour Player wedge spin... You want to attempt a downward strike on the ball with the most loft you can while achieving the distance you need.

 

Ex. 58* opened to 61* will spin, but you will be 20 yards short of your target.

 

EDIT: ... And contrary to the belief that you're supposed to be hitting a wedge in the back of your stance. If you watch Spieth, DJ, Rory, and Tiger... They typically are hitting those "Spinners" off their left foot to at their left shoulder. This allows a more lofted yet shallow angle of attack.

 

Actually, you are probably more incorrect than he is. The most efficient spin is generated around 45*+- of spin loft. Higher lofted wedges at a number close to their static loft are pretty inefficient for generating spin and need to be delofted at impact to increase efficiency. So no, your assumption of how this all works is not correct.

 

You sir... are incorrect. It is a known fact that a 56* wedge will spin the most out of ANY wedge or loft. More then a 60* as well. Watch videos from Martin Chuck, Butch Harmon, etc.

 

You go ahead and keep telling yourself that.

 

Here’s what is a known fact...

 

Static loft number has nothing to do with the spin loft number created at impact. Above about 45* of spin loft, spin effeciency starts to deminish as the oblique impact loses the ability to generate friction between the club and ball.

 

Go ahead and ask Martin or any of the other guys out there and they’ll provide you the same info. Go ask Monte or Dan(iTeach) in the instruction forum and you’ll get the same answer.

 

Just one small example...

 

You do not understand things as well as you think you do.

 

Dude gonna read this reply like...

 

 

 

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