2018 Titleist AVX Golf Balls

[nsxguy]

Update: Bought a couple of dozen and it will be my ball for the foreseeable future.

 

A side, though subtle, benefit(?) of the extra distance is I am a "drop it in the front lip" putter and, of course, leave more than my share of putts a turn short. Drives me crazy and I've tried to hit 'em harder.

 

With this ball I've found myself leaving them short less often. True story.

 

Last 6 since the experiment started,,,,,,,,,, all within the 10 best,,,,,,,,, :o

 

 

[Singapore Joe]

Got an email that it's now available in Australia. Click the link and get "In store only" message. This from a \retailer whose main business is to sell over the Internet. Don't even know where they have stores here.

 

Ping and Titleist do not allow retailers to display any prices on the web sites and apprently not allowing them to sell by mail, either. How outdated and ridiculous can you possibly be! Been boycotting both as long as I've been living here but unfortunately had to slip a bit and get a Ping putter, nothing else was available leftie CS. I guess I will continue the boycott and stick to the good ol' Z-Star XV.

[Gary Gutful]

Titleist were doing the big sell at my golf club today. I stuffed about 4 doz balls down my pants when Titleist man was 'blah blahing' to everyone. Hope to test them on the course in the next couple of weeks.

[Hondabuff]

Played a local course last night I used to live by when I first got married and got paired up with 2 guys who were pretty good players. This was the first time I have played this course in over 5 years and probably have over 200 rounds on this course. Usually by mid July this course is rock hard and super fast. Just played 9 but some of my thoughts of the AVX on a hard baked out course. Drives were long, really really long, One guy kept making the comment that he has never seen someone play from some of the spots I was hitting from. Consistent 265-270 of carry and had a few that rolled 50 yards on the ground. 2 par 3's and one played 185 and I hit a 5 iron and almost jarred it but the ball released and settled in a collection area about 30' from the pin. Tough pin placement and pretty severe green. The other Par 3 was 172 down hill and had the AVX spin back 4' with a 6 iron. Soft receptive green down in the valley and shielded from all the sun. I was stuffing my irons all day and the stopping power of the AVX was all about the condition and slope of the green. I had 2 pitch and runs where one was executed to 3' being a 40' pitch and another 30' pitch that wouldnt stop and rolled off the green. If I had to do the 2nd shot over I would of used my LW to add a higher trajectory to the shot. It was a down hill pitch to a down hill green. Last hole was a uphill par 5 510 yards and I hit my longest drive ever on this hole. I always played it from the white tees and there is a bunker that is 242 to the front and I have been in the bunker more times then I can count. I ended up 10 yards past the bunker and was playing from the back tees that added another 25 yards. With all my combinations of 905R, 905T, 975 JVS, R510 TP and countless combinations of balls, I finally got past that dam bunker and had a uphill 180 shot to an evil green with a severe slope on the left. Airmailed the green with my hybrid and two putted for a par. Overall the AVX has some many more ticks in the plus column vs what It does bad. There are times I wish it had more stopping power but I have to remind myself of how I have to play this ball. Trajectory is key with pitch shots as the AVX likes to be feathered to the hole vs aggressive spin like the ProV1x. For my game this ball is no doubt a game changer.

[craz-e]

Saw them in the local store today here in Australia

Will prob buy a dozen and give them a go on Monday

Will see how they compare to the project (a)

[Gary Gutful]

Not a fan. I'm sure a lot of people will like it but it is not for me. Too soft and mushy and didn't have the typical launch window that I am used to seeing. I could end up being wrong, but I'll also venture that very few tour players will use it. If that happens then it will speak volumes.

[Mcgeeno]

I’m not a tour player and couldn’t hit half the stuff they use anyways so that’s at the bottom of my list of cares.

 

I care about how it effects my game.

 

 

[Zakers23]

Not a fan. I'm sure a lot of people will like it but it is not for me. Too soft and mushy and didn't have the typical launch window that I am used to seeing. I could end up being wrong, but I'll also venture that very few tour players will use it. If that happens then it will speak volumes.

 

How many wins do you have on Tour?

[North Butte]

The fact that Titleist is selling tons of AVX at $48+ a dozen with zero Tour usage seems to indicate it must work really, really good for a lot of less-than-Tour players, no?

 

It certainly works good for my game.

[Break81]

The fact that Titleist is selling tons of AVX at $48+ a dozen with zero Tour usage seems to indicate it must work really, really good for a lot of less-than-Tour players, no?

 

It certainly works good for my game.

no questioning that it works for you and others , but how do you know they are selling “tons” ?

 

In the markets that have had the AVX for over a year , like here in CA , is it outselling the Project A (same ball category IMO)

 

I agree they are probably outselling the competition in the newly released markets but even I bought a couple sleeves last year just to try.

 

Are there numbers published to supports actually sales ?

[North Butte]

You show your numbers first, Mr. Information

[Hondabuff]

The Gist of this thread now again:

 

 

:ontopic:

Titleist Ball user: "Titleist released a ball thats soft, flies lower and improved my game instantly!

:smilie_cally:

Callaway Ball user: Nah ah, No they didnt, No you didnt, Copy Cats, not original, Bridgestone did it first. Its not a ProV1, No one on Tour plays it. No Such thing!

:sorry:

Ksig user: Im not paying those prices!! I can buy 12 cases of Toilet Paper, A pallet of water, 5 pairs of Wranglers and a rotisserie chicken for that!

:betty:

Bridgestone user: I have been using that ball for years in the Tour B330RXXrxsSXLMNOP ball

:smilie_tm:

Taylormade User: Too soft and mushy for my 125mph club head speed and didn't have the typical launch window and spins too little for my 230 yard 7 iron approaches, so Im out

[owu23]

The Gist of this thread now again:

 

 

:ontopic:

Titleist Ball user: "Titleist released a ball thats soft, flies lower and improved my game instantly!

:smilie_cally:

Callaway Ball user: Nah ah, No they didnt, No you didnt, Copy Cats, not original, Bridgestone did it first. Its not a ProV1, No one on Tour plays it. No Such thing!

:sorry:

Ksig user: Im not paying those prices!! I can buy 12 cases of Toilet Paper, A pallet of water, 5 pairs of Wranglers and a rotisserie chicken for that!

:betty:

Bridgestone user: I have been using that ball for years in the Tour B330RXXrxsSXLMNOP ball

:smilie_tm:

Taylormade User: Too soft and mushy for my 125mph club head speed and didn't have the typical launch window and spins too little for my 230 yard 7 iron approaches, so Im out

 

Lol. Awesome post

[Gary Gutful]

 

 

Not a fan. I'm sure a lot of people will like it but it is not for me. Too soft and mushy and didn't have the typical launch window that I am used to seeing. I could end up being wrong, but I'll also venture that very few tour players will use it. If that happens then it will speak volumes.

 

How many wins do you have on Tour?

 

77 wins on the Gary Tour. Three more and I'll overtake Tiger.

 

Here's a question for you. Why do you think all of the tour players are still using ProV1 or ProV1x? I think it is a legitimate question to ask. Performance is everything for a tour player and there is no such thing as a ball that is 'too good for' someone. Anyone can play ProV1 and ProV1x.

 

So with that BS dealt with, why is it the case? Genuinely curious to know.

[BiggErn]

 

 

Not a fan. I'm sure a lot of people will like it but it is not for me. Too soft and mushy and didn't have the typical launch window that I am used to seeing. I could end up being wrong, but I'll also venture that very few tour players will use it. If that happens then it will speak volumes.

 

How many wins do you have on Tour?

 

77 wins on the Gary Tour. Three more and I'll overtake Tiger.

 

Here's a question for you. Why do you think all of the tour players are still using ProV1 or ProV1x? I think it is a legitimate question to ask. Performance is everything for a tour player and there is no such thing as a ball that is 'too good for' someone. Anyone can play ProV1 and ProV1x.

 

So with that BS dealt with, why is it the case? Genuinely curious to know.

 

 

I prefer a ball that spins a little less than ProV1(x). That said there’s quite a few to choose from that have that characteristic and still perform. To act like the AVX is some kind of “stand alone” ball is what I find so absurd.

[nsxguy]

Not a fan. I'm sure a lot of people will like it but it is not for me. Too soft and mushy and didn't have the typical launch window that I am used to seeing. I could end up being wrong, but I'll also venture that very few tour players will use it. If that happens then it will speak volumes.

 

How many wins do you have on Tour?

 

77 wins on the Gary Tour. Three more and I'll overtake Tiger.

 

Here's a question for you. Why do you think all of the tour players are still using ProV1 or ProV1x? I think it is a legitimate question to ask. Performance is everything for a tour player and there is no such thing as a ball that is 'too good for' someone. Anyone can play ProV1 and ProV1x.

 

So with that BS dealt with, why is it the case? Genuinely curious to know.

 

Don't know the answer but my guess would be Tour players find more spin preferable to slightly more distance.

[Gary Gutful]

In order to shoot better scores, would amateurs with lower swing speeds typically benefit from more or less spin?

[Break81]

In order to shoot better scores, would amateurs with lower swing speeds typically benefit from more or less spin?

Well they used to say more back spin off the driver helped keep the ball in the fairway (less side spin).

 

I think drivers like the PING SF series have higher spin numbers than the LS or M1 etc etc , thus supporting more spin can be straighter but less distance.

 

So I guess it boils down to what you need to play better , distance or accuracy. If your a short hitter but consistent with your ball striking you would take less spin in most cases.

 

If your a strong long hitter that struggles to find the fairway or even stay in bounds then a little backspin could be your friend.

[Gary Gutful]

In order to shoot better scores, would amateurs with lower swing speeds typically benefit from more or less spin?

Well they used to say more back spin off the driver helped keep the ball in the fairway (less side spin).

 

I think drivers like the PING SF series have higher spin numbers than the LS or M1 etc etc , thus supporting more spin can be straighter but less distance.

 

So I guess it boils down to what you need to play better , distance or accuracy. If your a short hitter but consistent with your ball striking you would take less spin in most cases.

 

If your a strong long hitter that struggles to find the fairway or even stay in bounds then a little backspin could be your friend.

Also, if your club head speed is low, more spin might equal more distance. Not to mention better control around the green.

 

Based on my observations over the last 30 years of playing I can only see 'low launch, low spin' being optimal for a very select group of amateurs.

[North Butte]

Low trajectory, not low “launch”.

[craz-e]

Had my first 18 holes with the AVX this morning, very happy with the performance.

No problem stopping the ball with a full shot or short chip shot, felt great, went the distances I wanted. Shot a good score on a tough course, I’m impressed!

[Gary Gutful]

Low trajectory, not low “launch”.

Based on my observations over the last 30 years of playing I can only see 'low trajectory, low spin' being optimal for a very select group of amateurs.

[scrap22]

The Gist of this thread now again:

 

 

:ontopic:

Titleist Ball user: "Titleist released a ball thats soft, flies lower and improved my game instantly!

:smilie_cally:

Callaway Ball user: Nah ah, No they didnt, No you didnt, Copy Cats, not original, Bridgestone did it first. Its not a ProV1, No one on Tour plays it. No Such thing!

:sorry:

Ksig user: Im not paying those prices!! I can buy 12 cases of Toilet Paper, A pallet of water, 5 pairs of Wranglers and a rotisserie chicken for that!

:betty:

Bridgestone user: I have been using that ball for years in the Tour B330RXXrxsSXLMNOP ball

:smilie_tm:

Taylormade User: Too soft and mushy for my 125mph club head speed and didn't have the typical launch window and spins too little for my 230 yard 7 iron approaches, so Im out

 

OMG. That is the best post. Thank you. :cheesy:

[Gary Gutful]

The fact that Titleist is selling tons of AVX at $48+ a dozen with zero Tour usage seems to indicate it must work really, really good for a lot of less-than-Tour players, no?

 

It certainly works good for my game.

Lets actually assume that there is some substance behind this statement as I note you declined to provide any supporting evidence when asked.

 

Amateurs buying something in vast numbers isn't an indication that it is optimal for their game. Amateur golfers buy equipment for all types of reasons (marketing, tour usage, brand loyalty etc). I would suggest that beyond the most enlightened WRXer that represents <1%, performance is pretty low on the list. If it is on the list then they are probably ill equipped to even measure it.

 

I hope AVX is a big success for Titleist as I love the brand. But I cant help but feel that in 12 months time we wont be talking about it having the same impact that the TP5, Chrome Soft and indeed ProV1/X have had in the past.

 

Unless of course, they can get it into the hands of some tour players. ;)

[Break81]

The fact that Titleist is selling tons of AVX at $48+ a dozen with zero Tour usage seems to indicate it must work really, really good for a lot of less-than-Tour players, no?

 

It certainly works good for my game.

Lets actually assume that there is some substance behind this statement as I note you declined to provide any supporting evidence when asked.

 

Amateurs buying something in vast numbers isn't an indication that it is optimal for their game. Amateur golfers buy equipment for all types of reasons (marketing, tour usage, brand loyalty etc). I would suggest that beyond the most enlightened WRXer that represents <1%, performance is pretty low on the list. If it is on the list then they are probably ill equipped to even measure it.

 

I hope AVX is a big success for Titleist as I love the brand. But I cant help but feel that in 12 months time we wont be talking about it having the same impact that the TP5, Chrome Soft and indeed ProV1/X have had in the past.

 

Unless of course, they can get it into the hands of some tour players. ;)

I agree - at the end of the day people in general will tend to slide back to “what the pros play”.

 

I was about to buy some stock in BStone yesterday had Tiger finished the deal.

 

Right now the AVX is the new pretty girl on the block. Nothing wrong with that just know another pretty girl is just around the corner, and then another after that.

[Hondabuff]

The fact that Titleist is selling tons of AVX at $48+ a dozen with zero Tour usage seems to indicate it must work really, really good for a lot of less-than-Tour players, no?

 

It certainly works good for my game.

Lets actually assume that there is some substance behind this statement as I note you declined to provide any supporting evidence when asked.

 

Amateurs buying something in vast numbers isn't an indication that it is optimal for their game. Amateur golfers buy equipment for all types of reasons (marketing, tour usage, brand loyalty etc). I would suggest that beyond the most enlightened WRXer that represents <1%, performance is pretty low on the list. If it is on the list then they are probably ill equipped to even measure it.

 

I hope AVX is a big success for Titleist as I love the brand. But I cant help but feel that in 12 months time we wont be talking about it having the same impact that the TP5, Chrome Soft and indeed ProV1/X have had in the past.

 

Unless of course, they can get it into the hands of some tour players. ;)

 

So its OK for Bridgestone to gain majority of its sales from the B330-RX line without a single ball played on tour but double standard for Titleist correct? I would bet Titleist knew the ball was good after the validation period or else It wouldnt be on the same shelf as the ProV1 line. Why risk the erosion of the flagship brand?

[North Butte]

Low trajectory, not low “launch”.

Based on my observations over the last 30 years of playing I can only see 'low trajectory, low spin' being optimal for a very select group of amateurs.

 

Of the limited sample of people at my club who have tried it, that seems true. Three people (including me) found it worked great, the others who have tried it didn't like it at all.

[North Butte]

The fact that Titleist is selling tons of AVX at $48+ a dozen with zero Tour usage seems to indicate it must work really, really good for a lot of less-than-Tour players, no?

 

It certainly works good for my game.

Lets actually assume that there is some substance behind this statement as I note you declined to provide any supporting evidence when asked.

 

Amateurs buying something in vast numbers isn't an indication that it is optimal for their game. Amateur golfers buy equipment for all types of reasons (marketing, tour usage, brand loyalty etc). I would suggest that beyond the most enlightened WRXer that represents <1%, performance is pretty low on the list. If it is on the list then they are probably ill equipped to even measure it.

 

I hope AVX is a big success for Titleist as I love the brand. But I cant help but feel that in 12 months time we wont be talking about it having the same impact that the TP5, Chrome Soft and indeed ProV1/X have had in the past.

 

Unless of course, they can get it into the hands of some tour players. ;)

 

So its OK for Bridgestone to gain majority of its sales from the B330-RX line without a single ball played on tour but double standard for Titleist correct? I would bet Titleist knew the ball was good after the validation period or else It wouldnt be on the same shelf as the ProV1 line. Why risk the erosion of the flagship brand?

 

My point is, given the scale that Titleist works on any ball that was added to the permanent lineup after a lengthy trial period must have sold what most companies would consider a huge number of balls. They're not going to add a third Urethane variation to their lineup just because it sold a few thousand dozen.

 

Will it ever be as popular as the ProV1/ProV1x? Not on your life. But a ball is bought by a tenth as many people as ProV1/ProV1x would still be like the fifth or sixth more popular Urethane ball on the market. The entire Srixon Urethane-ball lineup sells a few percent as many as the ProV1/ProV1x.

 

Put it another way, I'll bet Titleist has sold as many AVX's in one year as Costco has sold K-Sig/K3, ever. Which makes it a niche product for Titleist but that's only because Titleist's consumer base is so huge.

[nsxguy]

The fact that Titleist is selling tons of AVX at $48+ a dozen with zero Tour usage seems to indicate it must work really, really good for a lot of less-than-Tour players, no?

 

It certainly works good for my game.

Lets actually assume that there is some substance behind this statement as I note you declined to provide any supporting evidence when asked.

 

Actually, if there was anything to criticize in NB's statement it would have been the use of "good" instead of "well". :D

 

Amateurs buying something in vast numbers isn't an indication that it is optimal for their game. Amateur golfers buy equipment for all types of reasons (marketing, tour usage, brand loyalty etc). I would suggest that beyond the most enlightened WRXer that represents <1%, performance is pretty low on the list. If it is on the list then they are probably ill equipped to even measure it.

 

I hope AVX is a big success for Titleist as I love the brand. But I cant help but feel that in 12 months time we wont be talking about it having the same impact that the TP5, Chrome Soft and indeed ProV1/X have had in the past.

 

Unless of course, they can get it into the hands of some tour players. ;)

 

I would tend to disagree.

 

Excepting "golf on a budget", I would suggest that performance is rather high on the list of serious golfers, even those into the high teens handicap-wise, that can afford to play a $4 ball, even among higher handicappers.

 

They/we may not even be the best judge of what ball actually works best but I still think that would be the major concern. I mean other than cost what else IS there ?

 

Now the casual/recreational golfer ? They couldn't care less. They play whatever they find or whatever is the cheapest.

 

So I think it's about WHO you're talking about.

 

Further, you probably won't see it in the hands of Tour players because they don't NEED the extra distance and they don't want less spin - and that IS, after all, the selling points for this ball. Slightly modified ProV1 type performance. For ME, right now, they are doing exactly that and I am loving it. :good:

[Gary Gutful]

The fact that Titleist is selling tons of AVX at $48+ a dozen with zero Tour usage seems to indicate it must work really, really good for a lot of less-than-Tour players, no?

 

It certainly works good for my game.

Lets actually assume that there is some substance behind this statement as I note you declined to provide any supporting evidence when asked.

 

Amateurs buying something in vast numbers isn't an indication that it is optimal for their game. Amateur golfers buy equipment for all types of reasons (marketing, tour usage, brand loyalty etc). I would suggest that beyond the most enlightened WRXer that represents <1%, performance is pretty low on the list. If it is on the list then they are probably ill equipped to even measure it.

 

I hope AVX is a big success for Titleist as I love the brand. But I cant help but feel that in 12 months time we wont be talking about it having the same impact that the TP5, Chrome Soft and indeed ProV1/X have had in the past.

 

Unless of course, they can get it into the hands of some tour players. ;)

 

So its OK for Bridgestone to gain majority of its sales from the B330-RX line without a single ball played on tour but double standard for Titleist correct? I would bet Titleist knew the ball was good after the validation period or else It wouldnt be on the same shelf as the ProV1 line. Why risk the erosion of the flagship brand?

I was just pointing out that tour usage would likely increase their sales.