shafts similar to ping Alta CB 55, and who is it made by?

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Title pretty much sums it up, just curious of other similar shafts. Also, anyone know who makes this shaft for ping? Thanks!
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  • storm319storm319 USMembers  4323WRX Points: 500Posts: 4,323 Titanium Tees
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    Historically Aldila and/or UST have produced Ping's proprietary shafts so I assume the Alta CB is the same. I know that UST produces the Tour 65/75.
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  • SocratesSocrates Warning Points 1+ WinnipegClubWRX  10211WRX Points: 1,113Handicap: 4ishPosts: 10,211 ClubWRX
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    Aldila makes the Alta shaft. The G/G30 stock shaft is better (a UST product).
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    so, would you say it's similar to the x-torsion copper?
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    4cowboys wrote:
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    so, would you say it's similar to the x-torsion copper?<br />
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    No. The X-Torsion is a FAR better shaft than the Alta. Significant upcharge.
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    Ping G400 9º TFC 419 Stiff at 45"
    Cobra F8 5-6 Fwy at 18.5° Stiff
    Ping i20 3 Hyb 707H Stiff
    X2 Hot 4_-PW Recoil 660 F3 +1/2"
    Vokey SM2 52º cc, Ping ES 56º and ES 60º
    Ping Sigma2 Valor at 34.75"
    MCC Align Midsize

  • erock9174erock9174 North Canton, OHMembers  4177WRX Points: 252Handicap: 10.5Posts: 4,177 Titanium Tees
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    Socrates wrote:
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    Aldila makes the Alta shaft. The G/G30 stock shaft is better (a UST product).<br />
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    The G25 Black TFC was made by UST. <br />
    The G30 blue TFC was made by Aldila <br />
    The G blue Alta was made by Aldila <br />
    The G400 copper Alta CB is made by Aldila <br />
    The Tour 65/70/80 are made by UST.
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    erock9174 wrote:
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    Socrates wrote:
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    Aldila makes the Alta shaft. The G/G30 stock shaft is better (a UST product).<br />
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    The G25 Black TFC was made by UST.<br />
    The G30 blue TFC was made by Aldila<br />
    The G blue Alta was made by Aldila<br />
    The G400 copper Alta CB is made by Aldila<br />
    The Tour 65/70/80 are made by UST.<br />
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    G30 and G are UST shafts. I have several and shaft labels say UST Mamiya.
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    Ping G400 9º TFC 419 Stiff at 45"
    Cobra F8 5-6 Fwy at 18.5° Stiff
    Ping i20 3 Hyb 707H Stiff
    X2 Hot 4_-PW Recoil 660 F3 +1/2"
    Vokey SM2 52º cc, Ping ES 56º and ES 60º
    Ping Sigma2 Valor at 34.75"
    MCC Align Midsize

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  • 4cowboys4cowboys Members  478WRX Points: 80Posts: 478 Greens
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    Thanks for the replies! What aftermarket shaft would you say plays closes to the alta 55 cb?
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    Giving this a bump. I demoed a G400 max today with the Alta 55. I don’t know if it was the shaft or head but I was hitting it a mile.<br />
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    As per the previous comment, what after market shaft plays like the Alta 55. Would live to try one in my M2.
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    gaffs wrote:
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    As per the previous comment, what after market shaft plays like the Alta 55. Would live to try one in my M2.<br />
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    Hit up eBay and buy a basically brand new Alta pull for around $30. Use the actual Shaft if you liked it.
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    Called Ping to see if i could order a new driver with the alta shaft tipped to stiffen it up a bit. The Ping representative said they will not tip that shaft. When I asked why not he said because the shaft is designed not to be tipped.<br />
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    I left it at that, but was surprised by his answer.
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    Yeah it's an aldila tour blue for std alta and UST elements for tour shaft.....or used to be anyways<br />
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    I believe they are all counterbalanced as well
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    SubaruWRX wrote:
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    gaffs wrote:
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    As per the previous comment, what after market shaft plays like the Alta 55. Would live to try one in my M2.<br />
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    Hit up eBay and buy a basically brand new Alta pull for around $30. Use the actual Shaft if you liked it.<br />
    exactly, that's what I'd do
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    Lottaouts wrote:
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    Called Ping to see if i could order a new driver with the alta shaft tipped to stiffen it up a bit. The Ping representative said they will not tip that shaft. When I asked why not he said because the shaft is designed not to be tipped.<br />
    <br />
    I left it at that, but was surprised by his answer.<br />
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    Ping tipped an x torsion for me
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  • 03trdblack03trdblack Wake Forest, NCClubWRX  2143WRX Points: 342Handicap: 0.8Posts: 2,143 ClubWRX
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    Is the Alta 55 CB that comes with the Ping G410 driver just a black/red repainted version of the copper shaft that was in the G400? When I took the grip off the shaft to regrip it I also noticed the "counterbalance" is done with a plug that sits in the butt of the shaft. This was a little surprising as I assumed the counterbalance was built into the butt end of the shaft through heavier material. When you take this plug out of the butt end of the shaft, the counterbalance effect is no longer present.

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    On -, @03trdblack said:

    Is the Alta 55 CB that comes with the Ping G410 driver just a black/red repainted version of the copper shaft that was in the G400? When I took the grip off the shaft to regrip it I also noticed the "counterbalance" is done with a plug that sits in the butt of the shaft. This was a little surprising as I assumed the counterbalance was built into the butt end of the shaft through heavier material. When you take this plug out of the butt end of the shaft, the counterbalance effect is no longer present.

    Same shaft as is the blue Alta that was stock in the G line.

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  • Stuart_GStuart_G New HampshireMembers  25101WRX Points: 1,653Posts: 25,101 Titanium Tees
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    It's really not worth it worry about who made what. They are all shafts that are designed and spec'd out by Ping and made by the lowest bidder. So regardless of what factory they came out of, they are still Ping shafts.

    I haven't run across anything that was similar to the Alta's I have tried in all the Aldila shafts I've demo's or seen detailed specs on - but that doesn't mean there might not be one out there.

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    On -, @Stuart_G said:

    It's really not worth it worry about who made what. They are all shafts that are designed and spec'd out by Ping and made by the lowest bidder. So regardless of what factory they came out of, they are still Ping shafts.

    I haven't run across anything that was similar to the Alta's I have tried in all the Aldila shafts I've demo's or seen detailed specs on - but that doesn't mean there might not be one out there.

    Ping may specify some preferred attributes based on an existing offering as a reference point and likely the cosmetic design, but I doubt Ping is getting into the specific details of composite prepreg flag placement/orientation which is what design is really about. No idea what the agreement with the design rights actually are that has allowed them to use multiple OEMs for production in the past, but if Ping was really doing the full design in house, they could likely cut out the shaft OEMs and work directly with an Asian factory for production.

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    On -, @storm319 said:

    On -, @Stuart_G said:

    It's really not worth it worry about who made what. They are all shafts that are designed and spec'd out by Ping and made by the lowest bidder. So regardless of what factory they came out of, they are still Ping shafts.

    I haven't run across anything that was similar to the Alta's I have tried in all the Aldila shafts I've demo's or seen detailed specs on - but that doesn't mean there might not be one out there.

    Ping may specify some preferred attributes based on an existing offering as a reference point and likely the cosmetic design, but I doubt Ping is getting into the specific details of composite prepreg flag placement/orientation which is what design is really about. No idea what the agreement with the design rights actually are that has allowed them to use multiple OEMs for production in the past, but if Ping was really doing the full design in house, they could likely cut out the shaft OEMs and work directly with an Asian factory for production.

    The problem with your logic is that you're only considering two extremes. There is a big difference between what you've assumed I mean and Ping designing the FULL set of desired specs (e.g. EI and/or Torque profiles, weights, etc...) - then leaving the shaft OEM to figure out how to accomplish those specs and designs. That's how outsourcing is typically done - not by micro-managing the details of the production but rather by specifying the requirements for the finished product and leaving it up to the manufacturer to worry about the details of how it's created.

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    On -, @Stuart_G said:

    On -, @storm319 said:

    On -, @Stuart_G said:

    It's really not worth it worry about who made what. They are all shafts that are designed and spec'd out by Ping and made by the lowest bidder. So regardless of what factory they came out of, they are still Ping shafts.

    I haven't run across anything that was similar to the Alta's I have tried in all the Aldila shafts I've demo's or seen detailed specs on - but that doesn't mean there might not be one out there.

    Ping may specify some preferred attributes based on an existing offering as a reference point and likely the cosmetic design, but I doubt Ping is getting into the specific details of composite prepreg flag placement/orientation which is what design is really about. No idea what the agreement with the design rights actually are that has allowed them to use multiple OEMs for production in the past, but if Ping was really doing the full design in house, they could likely cut out the shaft OEMs and work directly with an Asian factory for production.

    The problem with your logic is that you're only considering two extremes. There is a big difference between what you've assumed I mean and Ping designing the FULL set of desired specs (e.g. EI and/or Torque profiles, weights, etc...) - then leaving the shaft OEM to figure out how to accomplish those specs and designs. That's how outsourcing is typically done - not by micro-managing the details of the production but rather by specifying the requirements for the finished product and leaving it up to the manufacturer to worry about the details of how it's created.

    Requirements <> R&D. Many times the focus of the requirements are “I have X problem, I need you to figure out a way to solve it” and the solving it portion is the R&D or “design” that the OEM would be performing. EI profile, torque, etc are more post-production measurable requirements than technical specs.

    Outsourcing can also mean many things, the detail of what is outsourced is what is important. If Ping outsourced both R&D and production to a shaft OEM and simply provides requirements , then who the OEM is becomes more important. If Ping only outsources production (like they do with club heads), then the who question becomes less important.

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    On -, @storm319 said:

    Requirements <> R&D. Many times the focus of the requirements are “I have X problem, I need you to figure out a way to solve it” and the solving it portion is the R&D or “design” that the OEM would be performing. EI profile, torque, etc are more post-production measurable requirements than technical specs.

    You're talking about product design requirements, that's different than production requirements. But no, the EI profiles, torques, etc.. are not post-production requirements by any means. Yes, there is a stage where someone at Ping needs to decide what they want in a stock shaft in more general performance terms. Call it early stages of the design, call it product design, lots of name for it. The result of those decisions will dictate the EI profiles, weights, balance point, torques, costs limits, etc... but those are pre-production requirements, not post. Now how that get's translated into manufacturing specs, production methods, layers of pre-preg, orientations, amount of epoxy, etc.. is probably done by the shaft OEM's - or done iteratively back and forth between the two parties.

    Outsourcing can also mean many things, the detail of what is outsourced is what is important. If Ping outsourced both R&D and production to a shaft OEM and simply provides requirements , then who the OEM is becomes more important.

    Not as long as they stick to any of the major shaft OEM's with a basic level of competency and experience in their engineering staff. We are not dealing with leading edge technology for these stock shafts. Regardless of where the middle work happens. Ping is still dictating the top level performance requirements - and that's what's going to make or break the shaft for any particular individual customer, not the details of the manufacturing - assuming they've picked a manufacturer with that basic level of competency.

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    Hey Lads I just bought the G410 with the Alta 55 CB shaft yesterday, I usually use the Tour 65 in their drivers. This time I thought I would try their Stock shaft, it felt pretty good my first time out with it. I just worry the Torque may be too soft for my swing. Unfortunately there is no info on the Torque of this Alta Shaft. I know the Torque for the Tour shaft in Stiff is 3.4 but have no idea of the Alta’s Specs. Does anybody know the Torque of the new Alta shaft?

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    Really doesn’t matter, it’s just a number, go hit both shaft and then decide.

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    Just for curiosity: how similar is the Fujikura Vista Pro 55 Reg shaft to the PING Alta CB 55 driver shaft for G410 ?

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