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They have had my M10 since May of 2017. Dave was providing me monthly updates for awhile but has gone radio silent the past two months.

He kept saying it was close to completion etc etc. Many many broken promises as is well documented here.

 

My question is, this is theft and fraud right? Do I have an avenue to call the local police in Plano, TX to report a crime here?

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Hate to hear that there are still issues going on with Machine, however it is my understanding that relocated to McKinney TX quite a bit ago. Maybe attempt a restricted delivery certified letter first as seems that electronic communication has been unsuccessful? Address is listed on Facebook page. Regarding avenues for remedy, best to contact civil clerk's office in the appropriate jurisdiction for advice as there were some bankruptcy issues with company at one point and they may be able to advise appropriate means of action considering all factors.

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Wow...why anyone still messes with Dave and Machine is crazy. There’s been way too many things that have gone wrong over the last 3 years. I’m glad that I was one of the last ones to get a putter in early 2016...but will NEVER deal with them again

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What the hell happened with Dave ?

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If you look in the putter threads section there’s a big long thread in everything. Basically Dave started taking people’s money in 2016 and not delivering putters. Kept giving stories how progress was taking place with putters but there was not.

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If you look in the putter threads section there’s a big long thread in everything. Basically Dave started taking people’s money in 2016 and not delivering putters. Kept giving stories how progress was taking place with putters but there was not.

So it’s theft? How is it the authorities haven’t been involved for two years of this going on?

 

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If you look in the putter threads section there’s a big long thread in everything. Basically Dave started taking people’s money in 2016 and not delivering putters. Kept giving stories how progress was taking place with putters but there was not.

So it’s theft? How is it the authorities haven’t been involved for two years of this going on?

Not sure, all depends on how each customer handled their situations I guess. I was forced to start a PayPal claim which is only reason I ended up getting my putter before things really went south. I don’t remember all the specifics, but seems like Dave said there were lots of transitions taking place with the business, etc and they filed bankruptcy and moved the business etc. just search Machine in the Putter threads, it will come up.

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Fwy:  MIZUNO ST-G Titanium 3w (15) - UST Lin-Q M40X Red 60s

Fwy:  COBRA F6 Baffler (19) - Project X Hzrdus Red 75/6.0
Hybrid:  COBRA F7 Hybrid (22) - Aldila Tour Blue 85s

Iron:  MIZUNO MP 245 (5 - G) - Recoil Proto 125 F4
Wedge:  MIZUNO T24 Denim Copper (54/10) - Recoil Wedge Proto F4     
Wedge:  TAYLORMADE Hi-Toe Copper (60/10) - KBS Hi Rev 2.0 

Putter:  LAJOSI DD201 Copper Flow or MANNKRAFTED MA-55 Flow
Bag:  BENNINGTON LQO-9 Stand Bag

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I vaguely knew of Machine by seeing the putters pop up on bst once in a while at ridiculous prices. Recently saw one on a used rack for cheap so I picked it up to play around with. The quality and craftsmanship are absolutely jaw dropping. I will be on the lookout for more certainly.

 

Makes me a little sad to hear about these terrible business practices which possibly constitute fraud. I would love to see this company back on its feet to the point where I could order something but who could trust the guy after all this? Seems like such a shame. I guess I’ll just scavenge what I can when stuff pops up.

 

 

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The whole problem is that Dave is a putter maker and not a Business Manager. I told him that.

 

If I recall correctly, for a while he had new CNC machines and then there was a storm that did some damage and then it went down hill from there.

 

I went through a long stint to get my arm lock machine back. That was before his move out of Plano. It was just the megalodon tail and arm lock shaft. He did a great job but I can tell it was off. So could he - as he provided some angular loft/lie spacers - those are so brilliant and they actually work! Pure, pure, pure innovation.

 

Machine was way ahead of its time, it could have been BIG but really bad mismanagement is what-it-is now...a distant memory. Of what could have been. Those with the quality MACHINE putters are not likely to give it up, not me. My MACHINE can be configured as a long neck twisty, or rincon blade, or a megalodon mallet or an armlock - no other putter can do that.

 

 

Op, sorry to hear your story, you gotta do what you gotta do... you might try and reach out to Choeps, I thiink he's still a member here, great guy. He's offered to help out before.

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He had two of my putters and delivered one, so I've been hopeful he would finish the second one and send it back.

 

I called the McKinney police dept and they told me to file a report with the BBB. The BBB will investigate and could issue a fine.

They said I could get a lawyer and file a case with small claims court in my jurisdiction as well.

 

I'm doubtful I'll see the 2nd putter again, but I am going to try to get it back.

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He had two of my putters and delivered one, so I've been hopeful he would finish the second one and send it back.

 

I called the McKinney police dept and they told me to file a report with the BBB. The BBB will investigate and could issue a fine.

They said I could get a lawyer and file a case with small claims court in my jurisdiction as well.

 

I'm doubtful I'll see the 2nd putter again, but I am going to try to get it back.

I was going to say, this sounds like you'd want to file a claim with BBB then possible civil lawsuit citing fraud. Judge could order him to deliver the product within X days/weeks or to repay to you the cost you spent for the work. I'm not a lawyer though, so maybe there's other ways. Good luck...hate hearing stories like this, as I have a custom putter in work and am currently on month 4 of waiting, when one month was the quoted lead.

 

 

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Contact the Texas Attorney General and file a claim with them against the company. You can do it online.

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I hate reading threads like this because it kinda cements my thoughts on never buying from a small custom company. There is a lesson to be learned though and that's

always use a credit card or PayPal so you can have recourse. I had something similar happen with a small custom holster maker and I had to file a PayPal claim to get a refund

after getting dicked around and lied to for 6 months. Unfortunately this story repeats over and over across many hobbies.

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I opened a case with the Texas AG against this thief.

 

You did the right thing..... No Excuse for it no matter what the circumstance..... Another Strike for small shops struggling to make it.

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