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I've only played 2 of them - TOC & RSG...loved them both, but had to vote for Old just because of history.

 

Next trip intend to tick off 3 more...also played 2 that definitely could be worthy ( but for location/logistics I guess) - Dornoch & County Down.

 

I've been to UK/Ireland 3 times now, and plan to return as much as I can. Absolutely love links golf!

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As a viewer, I'd have to go with the Old Course at St. Andrews

 

As someone who attended last year's Open, and also played three open courses while out there...I can tell you which one would NEVER EVER get my vote, and that's Royal St. George's. That course didn't wow me at all...and I'm a bit biased when I factor in how poorly we were treated as guests.

 

I agree, but based on a different reason. I haven't played it, but did attend the Open there in 2003 and watched ball after ball land in the middle of a fairway then carom off the knobs into the rough. It just looked to me like there was way too much luck involved.

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I can see people picking the Old Course for many reasons. But I thought we were picking the best course to host the Open now. Just like Pine Valley and Cypress Point are great courses in The US I wouldn’t necessarily pick them as better tournament courses than say Augusta or even Pebble for the top professionals. Some of the reply’s are rating the Courses on the Doak scale which is a rating of quality of the course but not how it relates to professional tournament play.

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I like Dornoch the best, and it should be in the Rota but it's not. Muirfield is great too.

 

Well, that's a wonderful idea, and the players would be totally thrilled. And the whole world (what little is left that doesn't already know it) will find out that Royal Dornoch is one of the ten best-and-most-important golf courses in the world.

 

Problems: It's 6800 yards and Par 70. And probably just not equipped to deal with modern tour distances.

 

But oh what a course. I think Tom Doak's (Dornoch is a Doak "Perfect 10") description is really wonderful: "The most significant feature of Dornoch's design is its greens. Most of them are sited atop good-sized natural plateaux, and all are open to the front to allow a carefully judged approach to bounce on, yet carefully conceived to receive that shot only from a particular spot in the fairway.

 

For anyone who'd been there; isn't that a great, concise description?

 

I'm not sure that we can or should rule out Dornoch based on location; but it would be the most remote British Open ever conducted. Inverness is an hour away.

 

And as always, I think I might hate what the R&A might feel is needed in terms of alterations to the course in order to conduct an Open. I honestly have lost track of what elite-level competitions that they even do at Dornoch anymore. I think that they have some junior events there (which is a wonderful idea) but I don't think that they even use it for Open qualifying. Do they have qualifiers for the Scottish Open at Dornoch?

 

I like Dornoch how it is. The Open would mean more tourists and higher prices.

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I can't tell any of them apart. Maybe the 18th holes of St. Andrews and Carnoustie are easier to identify than the rest.

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I like Dornoch the best, and it should be in the Rota but it's not. Muirfield is great too.

 

Well, that's a wonderful idea, and the players would be totally thrilled. And the whole world (what little is left that doesn't already know it) will find out that Royal Dornoch is one of the ten best-and-most-important golf courses in the world.

 

Problems: It's 6800 yards and Par 70. And probably just not equipped to deal with modern tour distances.

 

But oh what a course. I think Tom Doak's (Dornoch is a Doak "Perfect 10") description is really wonderful: "The most significant feature of Dornoch's design is its greens. Most of them are sited atop good-sized natural plateaux, and all are open to the front to allow a carefully judged approach to bounce on, yet carefully conceived to receive that shot only from a particular spot in the fairway.

 

For anyone who'd been there; isn't that a great, concise description?

 

I'm not sure that we can or should rule out Dornoch based on location; but it would be the most remote British Open ever conducted. Inverness is an hour away.

 

And as always, I think I might hate what the R&A might feel is needed in terms of alterations to the course in order to conduct an Open. I honestly have lost track of what elite-level competitions that they even do at Dornoch anymore. I think that they have some junior events there (which is a wonderful idea) but I don't think that they even use it for Open qualifying. Do they have qualifiers for the Scottish Open at Dornoch?

 

I like Dornoch how it is. The Open would mean more tourists and higher prices.

 

Played Dornoch today, absolutely brilliant. Members as well. All in all wonderful place that IMHO doesn't need to and shouldn't change for an open.

 

My caddie today told me they are making a few changes to a couple holes in the upcoming years, you never know. IF they were to do it, they wouldn't need to do much except add a couple tee boxes back where they shouldn't be and wont ever get used. haha.

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I like Dornoch the best, and it should be in the Rota but it's not. Muirfield is great too.

 

Well, that's a wonderful idea, and the players would be totally thrilled. And the whole world (what little is left that doesn't already know it) will find out that Royal Dornoch is one of the ten best-and-most-important golf courses in the world.

 

Problems: It's 6800 yards and Par 70. And probably just not equipped to deal with modern tour distances.

 

But oh what a course. I think Tom Doak's (Dornoch is a Doak "Perfect 10") description is really wonderful: "The most significant feature of Dornoch's design is its greens. Most of them are sited atop good-sized natural plateaux, and all are open to the front to allow a carefully judged approach to bounce on, yet carefully conceived to receive that shot only from a particular spot in the fairway.

 

For anyone who'd been there; isn't that a great, concise description?

 

I'm not sure that we can or should rule out Dornoch based on location; but it would be the most remote British Open ever conducted. Inverness is an hour away.

 

And as always, I think I might hate what the R&A might feel is needed in terms of alterations to the course in order to conduct an Open. I honestly have lost track of what elite-level competitions that they even do at Dornoch anymore. I think that they have some junior events there (which is a wonderful idea) but I don't think that they even use it for Open qualifying. Do they have qualifiers for the Scottish Open at Dornoch?

 

I like Dornoch how it is. The Open would mean more tourists and higher prices.

 

Played Dornoch today, absolutely brilliant. Members as well. All in all wonderful place that IMHO doesn't need to and shouldn't change for an open.

 

My caddie today told me they are making a few changes to a couple holes in the upcoming years, you never know. IF they were to do it, they wouldn't need to do much except add a couple tee boxes back where they shouldn't be and wont ever get used. haha.

 

I had the honour of playing Dornoch earlier this year. The only thing stopping it from being an open venue is its isolated location. Fantastic course.

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St. Andrew’s is historic, but is the most overrated course ever.

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Having played all but two of them...and many of them I have played a few times....

 

1 or 2. The redesigned Ailsa course at Turnberry. I stayed at Turnberry, was skeptical going in, and only one thing ticked me off about the "Trumpness" - the dinner menu at 1906 was meh...but everything else surprisingly top notch and Trumpness minimized. Back to the course. Amazing redesign. Obviously the R&A had a lot of influence with their people. I really cannot think of a bad hole on that course and from the back tees it is all the challenge you can want without it being gimmicky. Even the 1 or 2 holes that by themselves seem nothing special, just straight away with a couple of bunkers are perfectly placed as a welcome relief after getting beat up the two or three previous holes. Ailsa was already good and the thought it needed a redesign was surprising, and now you play it and think they just made a jewel go to another level.

 

1 or 2. Troon. Totally different look and feel than Turnberry, much more of a challenge than Old Course, and some challenging sightlines. When the wind gets going it is a nasty course, really a test of all your shots. The irony is that in terms of strategy, Troon is pretty straight forward, but it is target golf, and while you know where to hit it, execution is another matter. Birdie chances are rare, it's really down to pin positions because of any course, truly here, middle of green is key. And to really drive home how weather is such a big factor at the Open - look at Mickelson and Stenson duel in '16. Ten birdies for Stenson is amazing at that course and I don't care if it was less than usual tough weather...it was an awesome display of golf.

 

3 or 4. St. Andrews. Is there any other course in the world so influenced by its pedigree? I love the start there going out through the par 5 and love the finish starting with the par 5 14th. But the middle holes...ZZZZZZzzzzzzzz. You can have just a blah round there and then all of the sudden as you get past hell bunker at 14 you start to pay more attention to the clubhouse and town, and it really gets you amped as you near the road hole. 17th approach to 18 finish is super cool, but it is not really that kind of experience the entire course except maybe the first time. That virginal experience at the old course is certainly unmatched with the possible exception of Augusta (but that's a totally different situation).

 

3 or 4. Royal St. Georges. It's an underrated course. It's unfortunate some of you had a bad experience there. I can totally see why; it is an unusual place compare to the others. If there's one course you better pay close attention to the website and how they want your tee time arranged, and what to expect, this is it. I can see it being a bit intimidating or off-putting on arrival, but it's nowhere near as bad as the "coots" at Muirfield. I have only had great experiences at RSG and I like the course. Maybe it was the fact the last two Opens played there I watched pretty closely on TV, so being there I can recall many of the holes and shots that were the demise of pros (DJ going OB on easy (for him) short par 5 just as he was starting to pressure Clarke...and Bjorn imploding on the 16th when the Open was in his grasp). I even showed up over an hour late to a tee time at RSG (had a "rookie" with me that didn't understand trains), that could be disaster at another club, but I called, was very apologetic, tipped the caddies extra, and was treated very nice. Go there "quiet and humble" and you will enjoy the old clubhouse, the pro is nice, caddies cool...it's not a big place, it's far from the show at something like Turnberry. Keep expectations of the off the golf course experience low, and just enjoy a great course.

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It's a pitty royal St David's can't handle the infrastructure as that's the best links course in the land for me...had seniors open but I'd love to see the world's best at Harlech

 

The front nine is "ok" but the back nine is quite incredible.

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I’ve played them all except St George’s and Portrush and all are fantastic but imho Carnoustie is the best course.

 

St Andrews is the best for The Open atmosphere but the worst viewing course on the rota.

 

Turnberry is the most scenic.

 

Royal Birkdale is also very attractive as on some holes you feel very secluded. Probably the least links like with an inland feel on some holes.

 

Muirfield is the one I’ve played most but I find it too inhibiting off the tee. The rough is brutal if you are driving badly so take a stack of balls.

 

Anyone visiting should be thankful these courses are available to play. I don’t fancy my chances of playing all the historic US Open course on a visit.

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Having played all but two of them...and many of them I have played a few times....

 

1 or 2. The redesigned Ailsa course at Turnberry. I stayed at Turnberry, was skeptical going in, and only one thing ticked me off about the "Trumpness" - the dinner menu at 1906 was meh...but everything else surprisingly top notch and Trumpness minimized. Back to the course. Amazing redesign. Obviously the R&A had a lot of influence with their people. I really cannot think of a bad hole on that course and from the back tees it is all the challenge you can want without it being gimmicky. Even the 1 or 2 holes that by themselves seem nothing special, just straight away with a couple of bunkers are perfectly placed as a welcome relief after getting beat up the two or three previous holes. Ailsa was already good and the thought it needed a redesign was surprising, and now you play it and think they just made a jewel go to another level.

 

1 or 2. Troon. Totally different look and feel than Turnberry, much more of a challenge than Old Course, and some challenging sightlines. When the wind gets going it is a nasty course, really a test of all your shots. The irony is that in terms of strategy, Troon is pretty straight forward, but it is target golf, and while you know where to hit it, execution is another matter. Birdie chances are rare, it's really down to pin positions because of any course, truly here, middle of green is key. And to really drive home how weather is such a big factor at the Open - look at Mickelson and Stenson duel in '16. Ten birdies for Stenson is amazing at that course and I don't care if it was less than usual tough weather...it was an awesome display of golf.

 

3 or 4. St. Andrews. Is there any other course in the world so influenced by its pedigree? I love the start there going out through the par 5 and love the finish starting with the par 5 14th. But the middle holes...ZZZZZZzzzzzzzz. You can have just a blah round there and then all of the sudden as you get past hell bunker at 14 you start to pay more attention to the clubhouse and town, and it really gets you amped as you near the road hole. 17th approach to 18 finish is super cool, but it is not really that kind of experience the entire course except maybe the first time. That virginal experience at the old course is certainly unmatched with the possible exception of Augusta (but that's a totally different situation).

 

3 or 4. Royal St. Georges. It's an underrated course. It's unfortunate some of you had a bad experience there. I can totally see why; it is an unusual place compare to the others. If there's one course you better pay close attention to the website and how they want your tee time arranged, and what to expect, this is it. I can see it being a bit intimidating or off-putting on arrival, but it's nowhere near as bad as the "coots" at Muirfield. I have only had great experiences at RSG and I like the course. Maybe it was the fact the last two Opens played there I watched pretty closely on TV, so being there I can recall many of the holes and shots that were the demise of pros (DJ going OB on easy (for him) short par 5 just as he was starting to pressure Clarke...and Bjorn imploding on the 16th when the Open was in his grasp). I even showed up over an hour late to a tee time at RSG (had a "rookie" with me that didn't understand trains), that could be disaster at another club, but I called, was very apologetic, tipped the caddies extra, and was treated very nice. Go there "quiet and humble" and you will enjoy the old clubhouse, the pro is nice, caddies cool...it's not a big place, it's far from the show at something like Turnberry. Keep expectations of the off the golf course experience low, and just enjoy a great course.

 

if anyone could expand on that, i'd greatly appreciate it ... i'd like to go over to england before meeting my crew in scotland next summer, and St. Georges is on the list (Sunningdale, Cinque Ports, Porthcawl, Birkdale & L/A - possibly Enodoc, though doubtful) ... wouldn't want to ignore protocol in obtaining/requesting a tee time ...

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Having been privileged enough to go to University there and play those golf courses for 5 years, St Andrews is an awesome course to play, full of history. However, I've always felt it was overrated as it isn't particularly hard with double fairways, double greens and multiple drivable par 4s. I always found the neighbouring Jubilee course far harder and the New course more interesting to play. Plus it's a nightmare to watch golf on as it's quite flat. Sadly, as much as I love St Andrews (the town and the golf course) it's just not my favourite to watch the Open at.

 

So for me, I voted Birkdale. I went last year and the design of the course means it's very easy to watch the golf and it produced an interesting final round in particular. I've also played Royal Lytham and it's a tough course despite being relatively short. Carnasty is a great course to watch golf on and I also love Turnberry but for me Birkdale was the best from the opens I've been to.

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if anyone could expand on that, i'd greatly appreciate it ... i'd like to go over to england before meeting my crew in scotland next summer, and St. Georges is on the list (Sunningdale, Cinque Ports, Porthcawl, Birkdale & L/A - possibly Enodoc, though doubtful) ... wouldn't want to ignore protocol in obtaining/requesting a tee time ...

 

I know we're going OT here, but wanted to address your question.

TBH, IDK what anyone is on about in regards to RSG. Everyone was lovely and it was easier getting tee times sorted there than other places. For example, this email exchange took 70mins to conclude while at work one morning:

 

Good morning,

 

I wanted to ask about booking a 2 round day on Monday April 16th for myself.

I see online there is a 9:40 time available, plus a number of options after 14:00.

 

Is there a requirement to leave a certain amount of time between the two times?

And should I book through yourself via email/ringing up or does online booking accommodate the two.

 

Thanks for your time and I look forward to the chance to tee it up at Royal St. Georges,

 

Hello duffer987,

Yes, 36 holes are possible for this date.

 

I can start you from the 10th if you would prefer. It opens earlier than the 1st tee and there are tees available between 08.10 - 09.10.

 

If you took a 09.00 or 09.10 tee from the 10th, then allowing 4 hours for a round, teeing off from the 1st at 14.20 would work well for you, allowing around an hour for some lunch.

 

What do you think?

 

Please have a look at our website www.royalstgeorges.com . You will be able to see the available times and once you decide, please ring me. You cannot book 36 holes online.

 

I will need to take full payment at the time of booking and this can be done via M/Card or Visa.

 

Look forward to hearing from you.

 

Kind Regards,

RSG Person

 

Thanks for the quick reply RSG person!

As long as I get to play it the right way round at least once, that wouldn't be a problem.So how about that 8:30 off the 10th (which I assume has me rounding the 1st during one of those 10:00-10:30ish times) and the 14:20 off the 1st.

It might make for a bit of a long lunch, but I could always loiter with intent around the practice green in case a member is looking for a match or something :-)

 

I cannot ring in until this afternoon, so if providing my details via email is grand, here they are.

 

My CC is:

 

Thanks for your time,

 

Hello

 

I have made your reservation and debited £250 from the card details you have provided.

 

Please look out for an invoice from Intelligent Golf, possible to your ‘junk’ mail.

 

Let me know if you need anything further ie. accommodation nearby, caddie, breakfast...

 

Kind Regards,

 

When I showed up, the pro and the caddie master were great. They ended up starting me on the 1st for both rounds - as the caddie master said, well you want to see if the right way round. We were first out and zipped around, so much so I went back out well in advance of my scheduled time - after having an early lunch/late breakfast - which put me out ahead of a group of 16.

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I've played them all except St George's and Portrush and all are fantastic but imho Carnoustie is the best course.

 

St Andrews is the best for The Open atmosphere but the worst viewing course on the rota.

 

Turnberry is the most scenic.

 

Royal Birkdale is also very attractive as on some holes you feel very secluded. Probably the least links like with an inland feel on some holes.

 

Muirfield is the one I've played most but I find it too inhibiting off the tee. The rough is brutal if you are driving badly so take a stack of balls.

 

Anyone visiting should be thankful these courses are available to play. I don't fancy my chances of playing all the historic US Open course on a visit.

 

Played Birkdale two Summers ago, was not impressed (I also played pretty bad so that might be a factor). Enjoyed the test at RSG, loved Carnoustie and Portrush.

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3 months after The Open was finished and one post in the last 3 weeks, does this thread really need to be pinned at the top of the Tour Talk forum?

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I was at the Open in ‘95 and will always be completely in love with the Old Course. I am also in disagreement with some here who say that less town encroachment is better. Golf courses in Scotland are the town, and the towns connection to them makes them all the more wonderful. That being said if they played the Open at the Old Course every year no one would complain.

I have played three of the Rota: Old Course, Turnberry and Muirfield my favorite being St. Andrews, but I would have rather played additional rounds at Nairn or Royal Dornoch (my favorite Scottish Course period) than Muirfield. A stuffy place where they (at least in the past) went out of their way to remind you you are a guest at their discretion.

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I was at the Open in '95 and will always be completely in love with the Old Course. I am also in disagreement with some here who say that less town encroachment is better. Golf courses in Scotland are the town, and the towns connection to them makes them all the more wonderful. That being said if they played the Open at the Old Course every year no one would complain.

I have played three of the Rota: Old Course, Turnberry and Muirfield my favorite being St. Andrews, but I would have rather played additional rounds at Nairn or Royal Dornoch (my favorite Scottish Course period) than Muirfield. A stuffy place where they (at least in the past) went out of their way to remind you you are a guest at their discretion.

 

Nairn and Royal Dornoch are great venues. Dornoch gets all the publicity and I would happily play there any time but Nairn even though it is relatively high ranked is criminally underrated in my opinion. The first hole is boring (if a welcome relatively easy introduction) and the green on the 14th is awful but beyond that, is a brilliant place to play some golf. Luckily, it is only 30 minutes away from where I stay.

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      Tony Finau's new driver shaft – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Valspar Championship WITB Photos (Thanks to bvmagic)- Discussion & Links to Photos
      This weeks WITB Pics are from member bvmagic (Brian). Brian's first event for WRX was in 2008 at Bayhill while in college. Thanks so much bv.
       
      Please put your comments or question on this thread. Links to all the threads are below...
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Matt (LFG) Every - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Sahith Theegala - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Cameron putters (and new "LD" grip) - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Bettinardi MB & CB irons - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Bettinardi API putter cover - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Swag API covers - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Golf Pride Reverse Taper grips - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Cognizant Classic - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #1
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #2
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #3
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #4
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Brandt Snedeker - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Max Greyserman - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Eric Cole - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Carl Yuan - WITb - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Russell Henley - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Justin Sun - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alex Noren - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Shane Lowry - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Taylor Montgomery - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jake Knapp (KnappTime_ltd) - WITB - - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Super Stoke Pistol Lock 1.0 & 2.0 grips - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      LA Golf new insert putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Garsen Quad Tour 15 grip - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Swag covers - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jacob Bridgeman's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Bud Cauley's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Ryo Hisatsune's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Chris Kirk - new black Callaway Apex CB irons and a few Odyssey putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alejandro Tosti's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #3
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
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