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They need a new format, this year's version is as boring as last years.The Wilson President too fixated on what the club will look like on the retail rack. Should be focused on innovative technology and how to market it. Much like Callaway has done with the jailbreak technology. Not visible but they sure know how to market it.

 

I agree 100%, but that just lets you know exactly how these big companies approach drivers. Its all about visual tech, like TM and Twist-face. Why else would they produce those enlarged over angled face plates to show off their "tech". Besides Y track, instead of T track, the M4 showed no new "visual tech" besides Hammerhead, but nobody bought the M4 or M3 only because of Hammerhead sole, but maybe they did due to Twistface tech (I'm speaking on the 98% golfers outside of Golfwrx).

 

Also the Epic/Rogue does have the "visual tech" with the JailBreak. It shows on the sole where those 2 bars supposedly show on the sole by the face. So it does kind of show "visual tech".

 

Honestly watching this show makes me feel more like a sucker considering any drivers from this year. I start to think of Turbulators, Hammerhead, ARC (917 line), Jailbreak, Drangonfly crown etc. and then I start to feel stupid as a consumer, and actually turns me off from wanting to a current driver. Yeah maybe I can gain 3-5 yards with a good fitting. Is it worth the $500-800 (with an upgraded shaft), probably not.... LOL I haven't felt this feeling of "why upgrade" since the last time I saw this show.

 

And yes, I realize its an hour long Wilson commercial too.

 

So I will watch the show, but only off my DVR when there's nothing else watch. But I am happy for Rick Shiels. I've been following his channel for a few years, and enjoy his content. Also I Like watching Jeremy as well, I met him in an airport and was just a nice guy, and always used the Blackhawks in the NHL 93-95 on Sega Genesis :drinks:

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Given the fact that the first show produced a total flop, why on earth would it get another go? I didn't make it through an entire episode of the first one unless I needed a nap. Ugh....

 

The golf channel has to fill space during what is essentially the off-season for golf.

 

I'd rather bring Big Break back.... I do like Shiels on TV... he seems natural. May wind up with his own spot...

 

 

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Big Break was by far the best show they've had. Heck even a couple of them actually made a splash on the PGA tour, Tommy 2 Gloves, and Tony Finau.

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Given the fact that the first show produced a total flop, why on earth would it get another go? I didn't make it through an entire episode of the first one unless I needed a nap. Ugh....

 

The golf channel has to fill space during what is essentially the off-season for golf.

 

I'd rather bring Big Break back.... I do like Shiels on TV... he seems natural. May wind up with his own spot...

 

 

+10000

Big Break was by far the best show they've had. Heck even a couple of them actually made a splash on the PGA tour, Tommy 2 Gloves, and Tony Finau.

I’d say Finau is still “making” his splash.

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I'd be willing to bet if TM or Callaway had the show all you 300 plus yarders would think it's rhe greatest thing going. Yeah, some of the ideas are plum dumb, I get it, but regardless, W/S does make some great products. I love taking money in our weekly scat game with my W/S products. ✌️

 

They also came out with Triton and "Power Holes" (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)...so yeah, they make some real garbage too.

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Have no intention of watching season 2.

Is Melanie Collins still the host?

Shark Tank is cool. This is a ripoff of that.

Maybe instead of drivers, they should open it up to anything golf related, including apparel & accessories.

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Given the fact that the first show produced a total flop, why on earth would it get another go? I didn't make it through an entire episode of the first one unless I needed a nap. Ugh....

 

The golf channel has to fill space during what is essentially the off-season for golf.

 

I'd rather bring Big Break back.... I do like Shiels on TV... he seems natural. May wind up with his own spot...

 

 

+10000

Big Break was by far the best show they've had. Heck even a couple of them actually made a splash on the PGA tour, Tommy 2 Gloves, and Tony Finau.

 

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I'd be willing to bet if TM or Callaway had the show all you 300 plus yarders would think it's rhe greatest thing going. Yeah, some of the ideas are plum dumb, I get it, but regardless, W/S does make some great products. I love taking money in our weekly scat game with my W/S products. ✌️

 

Not knocking W/S as a whole... they do make some great stuff. Can't argue that. Out of curiosity, what driver of theirs do you game? I'm always open to checking something out I haven't looked at...

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I'd be willing to bet if TM or Callaway had the show all you 300 plus yarders would think it's rhe greatest thing going. Yeah, some of the ideas are plum dumb, I get it, but regardless, W/S does make some great products. I love taking money in our weekly scat game with my W/S products. ✌️

 

They also came out with Triton and "Power Holes" (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)...so yeah, they make some real garbage too.

You’ll probably love the Twistier Face on the new TM M5 then sounds like ????

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I'd be willing to bet if TM or Callaway had the show all you 300 plus yarders would think it's rhe greatest thing going. Yeah, some of the ideas are plum dumb, I get it, but regardless, W/S does make some great products. I love taking money in our weekly scat game with my W/S products. ✌️

 

Not knocking W/S as a whole... they do make some great stuff. Can't argue that. Out of curiosity, what driver of theirs do you game? I'm always open to checking something out I haven't looked at...

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I'd be willing to bet if TM or Callaway had the show all you 300 plus yarders would think it's rhe greatest thing going. Yeah, some of the ideas are plum dumb, I get it, but regardless, W/S does make some great products. I love taking money in our weekly scat game with my W/S products. ✌️

 

Not knocking W/S as a whole... they do make some great stuff. Can't argue that. Out of curiosity, what driver of theirs do you game? I'm always open to checking something out I haven't looked at...

C300 that sees lots of bag time, I'm a hoplus currently bagging V6 Raw irons as well. Bagging a FG Tour F5 5 wood opened to 16* for fairway currently as well.

 

I have almost bought the V6s many times.... beautiful irons. What do you think of the C300? Saw one the other day, didn't look too bad... I will have to give it a try.

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Not familiar with the first season, but I am familiar with the Storm guys personally and the quality that they put out I'm not even sure why they would waste their time on this show when they could probably do this on their own. The only thing that makes sense is there is some kind of corporate connection between Storm and Wilson and now I'm wondering why I just didn't email this directly to Hank and find out...

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Given the fact that the first show produced a total flop, why on earth would it get another go? I didn't make it through an entire episode of the first one unless I needed a nap. Ugh....

 

The golf channel has to fill space during what is essentially the off-season for golf.

 

I'd rather bring Big Break back.... I do like Shiels on TV... he seems natural. May wind up with his own spot...

 

 

+10000

Big Break was by far the best show they've had. Heck even a couple of them actually made a splash on the PGA tour, Tommy 2 Gloves, and Tony Finau.

 

Wesley Bryan was also on the Big Break with his brother.

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lets get a group together from WRX and apply next year with a product. see if we can win. "If it isnt that hard"...

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I wish they'd hire some content developers to create a cross between Big Break and equipment testing. DvD is a dumb show!!!!

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Its a joke of a show. I watched 20 minutes of the first episode and it was unwatchable. I like Rick on the show but that's it. WS needs to just stop making this show and woods in general.

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Show is designed to be both entertaining and exposure to Wilson products. Don't think they focus on finding the next great driver, but instead on getting people thinking about Wilson Golf products with lots of ads during the broadcast, etc. The really bad driver designs make it for the entertainment factor alone. It's a TV show that has scripted ideas. Having Rick Shiels on it will only bring relevance as he's one of the more popular club reviewers out there and will bring more exposure to his ventures going forward. And like others said it's filler for the off season anyway.

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I didn't realize the Triton was so universally looked down upon. I finally upgraded my old r580 to a Triton over the winter when they were on clearance price, and I've been getting on with it quite well. What's the reason why everyone thinks it is so bad?

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Given the fact that the first show produced a total flop, why on earth would it get another go? I didn't make it through an entire episode of the first one unless I needed a nap. Ugh....

 

The golf channel has to fill space during what is essentially the off-season for golf.

 

I'd rather bring Big Break back.... I do like Shiels on TV... he seems natural. May wind up with his own spot...

 

 

+10000

Big Break was by far the best show they've had. Heck even a couple of them actually made a splash on the PGA tour, Tommy 2 Gloves, and Tony Finau.

 

Don't forget Wesley Bryant

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Show is designed to be both entertaining and exposure to Wilson products. Don't think they focus on finding the next great driver, but instead on getting people thinking about Wilson Golf products with lots of ads during the broadcast, etc. The really bad driver designs make it for the entertainment factor alone. It's a TV show that has scripted ideas. Having Rick Shiels on it will only bring relevance as he's one of the more popular club reviewers out there and will bring more exposure to his ventures going forward. And like others said it's filler for the off season anyway.

 

It sends a message that our R&D team can't figure it out so we need Joe public to help us.

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I'd be willing to bet if TM or Callaway had the show all you 300 plus yarders would think it's rhe greatest thing going. Yeah, some of the ideas are plum dumb, I get it, but regardless, W/S does make some great products. I love taking money in our weekly scat game with my W/S products. ✌️

 

Not knocking W/S as a whole... they do make some great stuff. Can't argue that. Out of curiosity, what driver of theirs do you game? I'm always open to checking something out I haven't looked at...

C300 that sees lots of bag time, I'm a ho����plus currently bagging V6 Raw irons as well. Bagging a FG Tour F5 5 wood opened to 16* for fairway currently as well.

 

I have almost bought the V6s many times.... beautiful irons. What do you think of the C300? Saw one the other day, didn't look too bad... I will have to give it a try.

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Given the fact that the first show produced a total flop, why on earth would it get another go? I didn't make it through an entire episode of the first one unless I needed a nap. Ugh....

 

The golf channel has to fill space during what is essentially the off-season for golf.

 

I'd rather bring Big Break back.... I do like Shiels on TV... he seems natural. May wind up with his own spot...

 

 

+10000

Big Break was by far the best show they've had. Heck even a couple of them actually made a splash on the PGA tour, Tommy 2 Gloves, and Tony Finau.

 

Don't forget Wesley Bryant

 

I can't believe you all have forgotten Richy Werenski.

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I didn't realize the Triton was so universally looked down upon. I finally upgraded my old r580 to a Triton over the winter when they were on clearance price, and I've been getting on with it quite well. What's the reason why everyone thinks it is so bad?

 

It's generally regarded as ugly. It sounds awful. It's a little weird with the interchangeable sole plates. Being non-conforming when it was first released was a dig drawback with it's perception. It didn't do anything spectacular from a performance standpoint. It didn't help that it's from Wilson, a company that isn't ever in the conversation when it comes to major OEM's and already had a very weak public perception of it's drivers (seriously, the last Wilson driver I even remember was the INVEX).

 

And the proof is in the pudding. At the time of it's release, the 125 MSI Aldila Rogue was one of the 'it' shafts in the golf world. Wilson put a real deal Rogue in the Triton and it STILL didn't sell. Enough said.

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It's getting pretty easy to predict Tim Clarke's reaction. If it isn't flat on the bottom, he's scared that it's going to tip when it gets set on a hard surface. If it is flat on the bottom, there's not enough visual technology. If the crown is unique or has an alignment aid, it's going to turn off "better golfers". If the adjustability requires any thought or tools, it's too demanding, but if it doesn't require tools it's probably not USGA compliant.

 

For that reason, I would have figured that he would love the exoskeleton idea, but he found a way to slam that too.

 

That being said, I can't imagine how people could show up with plans for something with magnetic weights.

 

I bet if you gave him something similar to the Cobra King LTD with a sliding weight track, he'd write the check on the first episode. Of the first group of entries, the one with the Big Bertha circular track looks like the winner to me. The one that interests me the most is the "no sex" driver. If you could find a design that would blend driver distance/performance with driving iron looks, it probably wouldn't be a bad club to play.

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So it performs on par with the rest? Or worse? Or does most of the dislike just come from the look and sound... it does sound like an aluminum baseball bat. I do get on with it fairly well, would you think a different head would perform much better? It was between the Triton, old stock f6, and a used G at the time I bought it, I liked the PING head the best but it was the cost of the Triton new., and the Triton came with the nice rouge shaft.

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i feel like this show (at least with the WRX market segment) does nothing good for wilsons product. it just adds to the gimmick status of whatever club wins.

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Tim Clarke doesn’t like anything. One contestant had a stabilizing “ring” inside to accomplish the same thing that jailbreak does. Clarke basically well if no one can see it then it won’t help it sell. Seriously?

 

I literally thought the same thing while he was talking nonsense.

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      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put and questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Monday #1
      2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Monday #2
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Ben Taylor - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Garrick Higgo - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Billy Horschel - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Justin Lower - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Lanto Griffin - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Bud Cauley - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Corbin Burnes (2021 NL Cy Young) - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Greyson Sigg - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Charley Hoffman - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Nico Echavarria - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Victor Perez - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Sami Valimaki - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Ryo Hisatsune - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
       
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Jake Knapp's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      New Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Tyler Duncan's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Greyson Sigg's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Sunjae Im's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Ping's Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Vincent Whaley's custom Cameron - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Odyssey Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Super Stroke custom grips - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Zac Blair's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Bettinardi Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
       
       
       
       
       
       

       
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