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  • LambLamb LondonMembers Posts: 342 ✭✭✭✭
    jromes23 wrote:


    Lead shoulder actually should always move up and out




    Rubbish
  • oz dee ceeoz dee cee Members Posts: 507 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I see Adams shoulder going down on the way back, then staying down through transition. Am I missing something here?
  • GolfbeatGolfbeat Swing Lessee Members Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    jromes23 wrote:


    Lead shoulder actually should always move up and out




    Only after impact it should move up, in and back.
  • BottleCapBottleCap Members Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Golfbeat wrote:

    jromes23 wrote:


    Lead shoulder actually should always move up and out




    Only after impact it should move up, in and back.




    Yes, but like Monte said people have different perceptions, i need to move up and out from the start or i won’t get to impact
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  • iteachgolfiteachgolf Members Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    oz dee cee wrote:


    I see Adams shoulder going down on the way back, then staying down through transition. Am I missing something here?




    It definitely goes down in transition
  • iteachgolfiteachgolf Members Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Oct 6, 2018 #37
  • GolfbeatGolfbeat Swing Lessee Members Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Oct 6, 2018 #38
    Very few people above scratch are in a back swing position like Adam Scott to begin with. Like, almost nobody.
  • Buckets2Buckets2 Members Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    i've been struggling with keeping the left shoulder starting down with driver while still hitting up on the ball. Any tips?
  • iteachgolfiteachgolf Members Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Go_Time wrote:


    i've been struggling with keeping the left shoulder starting down with driver while still hitting up on the ball. Any tips?




    You’re **** up somewhere else. Nobody could possibly know without seeing you swing. And hitting up on it absolutely isn’t as important as most think it is.
  • Swisstrader98Swisstrader98 Members Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes and yes to the OP! Same for me.



    I watched one of these Golf with Aimee videos (great stuff!) where she simply says lead shoulder down not around. Tried this a few wks ago and it was instant success and stripping the ball.



    Felt great but I was also like why was I never told this!!
  • Krt22Krt22 East BayMembers Posts: 7,496 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    iteachgolf wrote:

    oz dee cee wrote:


    I see Adams shoulder going down on the way back, then staying down through transition. Am I missing something here?




    It definitely goes down in transition




    Yep, clear as day to me,
  • Krt22Krt22 East BayMembers Posts: 7,496 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    jromes23 wrote:


    Lead shoulder actually should always move up and out




    For the first move in transition? Sure..if you want to hit hooks and shanks (speaking from experience)
  • kowalgolfkowalgolf Members Posts: 211 ✭✭✭
    Nobody is talking about the right femur down in transition for right handed golfers. Monte has this in Drive for Dough video. I keep coming back to this feel when things go bad. It's getting that rt foot pressure during setup that i struggle with and my feet are slightly closed. Knees, hips, and shoulders OK. Looks like Adam Scott's femur does drop.
  • LambLamb LondonMembers Posts: 342 ✭✭✭✭
    iteachgolf wrote:

    oz dee cee wrote:


    I see Adams shoulder going down on the way back, then staying down through transition. Am I missing something here?




    It definitely goes down in transition




    Thanks for the Adam Scott highlight!
  • MonteScheinblumMonteScheinblum Rebellion Golf Southern CaliforniaMembers Posts: 18,483 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    A few ironic observations about how the golf public reacts to tour players golf swings.



    1. When a tour player has a unique aspect to his swing, everyone wants to copy it thinking it’s the magic move. DJ’s wrist, Rory’s double hip clutch, Sergio’s excess lay down, etc.

    2. When someone has a swing fault hurting their swing and ball striking, they want to point to a very few players on tour who do that as reasoning for it being OK. Bubba and Daly’s long swing, Montomerie’s hip sway, Day and Koepka’s limited hip turn.

    3. When it’s shown that the vast majority, or all players do a certain thing that flies in the face of conventional wisdom or long held beliefs, it’s no good and one player not doing it would prove it wrong.



    I guess we’re all nuts to begin with for chasing a white ball with crooked sticks.



    As The late great Robin Williams once opined, why would you want to hit it again, you’re lucky you found it after hit it the first time. (Paraphrase)
  • kowalgolfkowalgolf Members Posts: 211 ✭✭✭


    A few ironic observations about how the golf public reacts to tour players golf swings.



    1. When a tour player has a unique aspect to his swing, everyone wants to copy it thinking it’s the magic move. DJ’s wrist, Rory’s double hip clutch, Sergio’s excess lay down, etc.

    2. When someone has a swing fault hurting their swing and ball striking, they want to point to a very few players on tour who do that as reasoning for it being OK. Bubba and Daly’s long swing, Montomerie’s hip sway, Day and Koepka’s limited hip turn.

    3. When it’s shown that the vast majority, or all players do a certain thing that flies in the face of conventional wisdom or long held beliefs, it’s no good and one player not doing it would prove it wrong.



    I guess we’re all nuts to begin with for chasing a white ball with crooked sticks.



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  • Buckets2Buckets2 Members Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    iteachgolf wrote:

    Go_Time wrote:


    i've been struggling with keeping the left shoulder starting down with driver while still hitting up on the ball. Any tips?




    You're **** up somewhere else. Nobody could possibly know without seeing you swing. And hitting up on it absolutely isn't as important as most think it is.




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  • golfarb1golfarb1 Members Posts: 180 ✭✭
    Golfbeat wrote:


    Very few people above scratch are in a back swing position like Adam Scott to begin with. Like, almost nobody.


    A good point

    To go a step further ,golfers who want to get into a better position in their downswing should work on improving their backswing.

    And an integral part of improving the backswing is setting up correctly.
  • rangersgoalierangersgoalie Members Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭✭✭✭


    A few ironic observations about how the golf public reacts to tour players golf swings.



    1. When a tour player has a unique aspect to his swing, everyone wants to copy it thinking it’s the magic move. DJ’s wrist, Rory’s double hip clutch, Sergio’s excess lay down, etc.

    2. When someone has a swing fault hurting their swing and ball striking, they want to point to a very few players on tour who do that as reasoning for it being OK. Bubba and Daly’s long swing, Montomerie’s hip sway, Day and Koepka’s limited hip turn.

    3. When it’s shown that the vast majority, or all players do a certain thing that flies in the face of conventional wisdom or long held beliefs, it’s no good and one player not doing it would prove it wrong.



    I guess we’re all nuts to begin with for chasing a white ball with crooked sticks.



    As The late great Robin Williams once opined, why would you want to hit it again, you’re lucky you found it after hit it the first time. (Paraphrase)






    But, but,but It’s all absolutes......younhave to do it that way!

  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker CAMembers Posts: 5,745 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭


    A few ironic observations about how the golf public reacts to tour players golf swings.



    1. When a tour player has a unique aspect to his swing, everyone wants to copy it thinking it’s the magic move. DJ’s wrist, Rory’s double hip clutch, Sergio’s excess lay down, etc.

    2. When someone has a swing fault hurting their swing and ball striking, they want to point to a very few players on tour who do that as reasoning for it being OK. Bubba and Daly’s long swing, Montomerie’s hip sway, Day and Koepka’s limited hip turn.

    3. When it’s shown that the vast majority, or all players do a certain thing that flies in the face of conventional wisdom or long held beliefs, it’s no good and one player not doing it would prove it wrong.



    I guess we’re all nuts to begin with for chasing a white ball with crooked sticks.



    As The late great Robin Williams once opined, why would you want to hit it again, you’re lucky you found it after hit it the first time. (Paraphrase)




    Monte, you’re getting so wise in your old age.
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  • JesterdocJesterdoc Members Posts: 38
    edited Oct 6, 2018 #52
    Somebody help me out. I’ve spent a few days trying to get this “lead shoulder down not aroun” feel in transition, and am having a very hard time wrapping my mind around the mechanics of it. I can’t make it feel or look like my lead shoulder is going
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker CAMembers Posts: 5,745 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Oct 6, 2018 #53
    Jesterdoc wrote:


    Somebody help me out. I’ve spent a few days trying to get this “lead shoulder down not aroun” feel in transition, and am having a very hard time wrapping my mind around the mechanics of it. I can’t make it feel or look like my lead shoulder is going




    Try this: complete your backswing and to start your downswing feel “belt buckle down” as your swing thought. Like your dropping the level of your belt buckle
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  • JesterdocJesterdoc Members Posts: 38
    ebrasmus21 wrote:
    Jesterdoc wrote:


    Somebody help me out. I’ve spent a few days trying to get this “lead shoulder down not aroun” feel in transition, and am having a very hard time wrapping my mind around the mechanics of it. I can’t make it feel or look like my lead shoulder is going




    Try this: complete your backswing and to start your downswing feel “belt buckle down” as your swing thought.




    Kind of like Hogan’s squat or different?
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker CAMembers Posts: 5,745 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Jesterdoc wrote:

    ebrasmus21 wrote:
    Jesterdoc wrote:


    Somebody help me out. I’ve spent a few days trying to get this “lead shoulder down not aroun” feel in transition, and am having a very hard time wrapping my mind around the mechanics of it. I can’t make it feel or look like my lead shoulder is going




    Try this: complete your backswing and to start your downswing feel “belt buckle down” as your swing thought.




    Kind of like Hogan’s squat or different?




    Monte might have to chime in but I don’t think so. It sounds like you have the same struggle I do with the lead shoulder. Thinking about that didn’t work for me. So, instead of thinking about my shoulder Monte had me think about “belt buckle down” to get some flexion in transition which accomplished the same thing.



    It was a swing thought that worked better for me. Give it a try.
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  • buckeyeflbuckeyefl Members Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭


    It's a bunch of different things. Hopefully, you only have to do 1/2 things and get them all.



    Left arm off chest

    Left shoulder off chin

    "Keep back to target"

    Left shoulder down and forward to left leg

    Lead with right elbow

    Stay in left tilt longer

    Regain flexion

    Dropping arms (out and forward too)



    All of those are basically the same move. It's all how you perceive it.




    And its good if your coach can use the different "moves" or ideas to get you to where you need to be because people learn so differently.
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker CAMembers Posts: 5,745 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    buckeyefl wrote:



    It's a bunch of different things. Hopefully, you only have to do 1/2 things and get them all.



    Left arm off chest

    Left shoulder off chin

    "Keep back to target"

    Left shoulder down and forward to left leg

    Lead with right elbow

    Stay in left tilt longer

    Regain flexion

    Dropping arms (out and forward too)



    All of those are basically the same move. It's all how you perceive it.




    And its good if your coach can use the different "moves" or ideas to get you to where you need to be because people learn so differently.




    Exactly.
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  • JesterdocJesterdoc Members Posts: 38




    So would this be a drill to help the “back to target” feel?



    I tried it and it felt horrible and weird and wrong. Which generally for me means I need to work on it because it’s different from what I’m currently doin’. And what I’m currently doin’ ain’t workin’
  • RohlioRohlio Members Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Jesterdoc wrote:


    Somebody help me out. I’ve spent a few days trying to get this “lead shoulder down not aroun” feel in transition, and am having a very hard time wrapping my mind around the mechanics of it. I can’t make it feel or look like my lead shoulder is going




    Go find a full length mirror to practice in front of and work on it very slowly. I would bet you will be stunned what it actually feels like to do this properly. I know I was.
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  • HackinatorHackinator Members Posts: 463 ✭✭✭✭
    iteachgolf wrote:


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    Omg, so we are talking about 2 inch move. Good luck trying to make that happen.
  • Ghost of SneadGhost of Snead Members Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Jesterdoc wrote:


    https://youtu.be/wq5T8P18Mfg



    So would this be a drill to help the “back to target” feel?



    I tried it and it felt horrible and weird and wrong. Which generally for me means I need to work on it because it’s different from what I’m currently doin’. And what I’m currently doin’ ain’t workin’




    Ah, the 2 o'clock drill ... looks like Steve might have pinched that one from Bobby Lopez.
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