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Another thing to the OP to consider is to consider ballspeed over your clubhead speed. If your impact isn't right you can be loosing 20 yards of distance if say you have a 90 chs but your smash of 1.4. A smash of 1.5 with the same swing speed is 9 mph improvement in ball speed, which could be 20 or more yards to your drives.

 

While true, its an assumption most people who are better players hit the ball at least somewhat solid, let's say average smash 1.45 or better so it's a pretty even correlation with clubhead speed

 

Not to mention the better players will typically have more mechanically sound swings with fewer compensations, which makes generating (or adding additional) speed easier. So if there is a clear correlation between index and CHS, I'd say the CHS is an effect and not the cause.

 

Are their some high index players that can generate a ton of speed? Yes of course. Are there low index players that can still get around the course without being lengthy? Yes of course. But statistically I can see why CHS would trend up as index drops.

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Age: 56

Hdcp: +0.4

DSS: Ave. = 114

 

Distance: I play in MN. It has been around 40 degrees for a high in my last few rounds. Ball goes nowhere. Hands and body cold. Lots of gear, hand warmers, booze, advil etc. October has been terrible. April was bad as well. First round is typically late March or early April. This year: April 28. Put me in mid summer at 80+ degrees, no wind, and 210 to the pin: it's a 5i. (Specs = 24 degrees and 38.5"). I believe that tracks correctly with the swing speed listed?

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I'm 46.

SS about 100-103.

Carry : If the carry on a bunker is any longer than 245, I start thinking about it.

Index : Currently 1.3. That's as low as I've ever been.

 

Currently, if you offered me a little more distance off the tee, or a little more accuracy, or a little better putting i'd take the distance. Distance leads to everything. Closer to the green leads to closer to the pin leads to more sinks.

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TL/DR: Please post your handicap index, and your driver swing speed and/or carry distance.

 

A link to this article http://www.swingmang...-speed-chart-2/ was posted yesterday in another thread.

 

I'm 53. My driver swing speed is ~90 mph and my carry distances correlate to the distances in this article http://www.golfwrx.c...ng-speed-chart/ . I'm currently a 20 index.

 

The chart in the first article "Handicap VS Average Driver Club Speed", correlates a 90 mph driver swing speed with ~16 handicap. After seeing the data I thought "My swing speed and carry distances are going to limit me to being around a 16 index or so." However, I know that a lot of this data is the average for ALL golfers, which skews things. Also, my boss is a 4 index and carries his driver around 225 yards (he's 1 year older than me). Also to keep in mind: The article referenced is selling swing speed training, so I'd expect them to spin their information around making your slow swing speed seem more limiting than it really is.

 

So I'm curious: What's are some "realistic" handicap potentials for various swing speeds based on the participants in this forum?

 

Added after seeing 4 replies:

 

Based on the replies so far, I sat down and thought about my scoring potential on my home course given where my tee shots normally end up. The course is rated 69.9 / 126.

 

My criteria for determining my scoring potential was based on my distance for my approach shot vs. 150 yards: If my approach shot is 140 or less, I have a good potential to make par most times. 160 yards or more I'm more likely to bogey. Right around 150 yards can go either way.

 

Based on the above, my "likely" scores if I play well range from 73 to 78, which indicate an index range of 2.7 to 7.8 if my calculations are correct.

 

Does this sound reasonable as a basis for setting a handicap goal based on my swing speed, which seems to be my limiting factor?

 

 

Im 29yo.

Driver SS is 110-113. Average carry distance about 270. 2016 M2 with PX Hzrdus red shaft

HC is 4.9

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49, SS last tested was the 2016 Gear Trials at 97 mph. My smash factor stinks back then, but I'm better now:

http://www.golfwrx.com/354028/2016-gear-trials-player-profiles-bob-areddy/

 

But I'm actually better now than then. Need to get back on a TM to see my #s.

 

Handicap ranged from a low of 0.8 this year to a current 2.5

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OP,

 

With an index of 20 and SS of 90(ish), you need to and CAN improve in every area of your game. A few years ago, when I got serious about golf again, I was in the same boat. It takes work on your swing mechanics, and on your short game. Its not one or the other.

 

It takes time and patience, but if you stay determined and practice, you can get into single digits. Here is a starter for you. Do whatever you have to do to stay away from Double Bogies and 3 putts. They are the plague of a scorecard.

 

Me

Age 61

SS = low to mid 90's

Carry is somewhere from 220 to 230

Index is currently 12.8 and trending lower

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Driver ss most relevant from the tips.

~90 mph ss. I'm between 200-240, depending on conditions and quality of strike. Well struck shots have a higher speed and go further, technique issue.

Hcp is in the teens. Was 15 for a minute and couldn't play for a bit and went into a funk, just coming out of it.

I suspect the correlation bt and hcp is very indirect, and is more relevant to less devoted golfers.

Most of this forum have worked hard enough to attain an acceptable driver and a putter that doesn't bleed. These two things seem to be the most easily attained.

Some people have worked on pitching and chipping more than others, also attainable.

I think the real handicap killer is irons. Approaches. Almost everyone sucks at approaches.

If your second shot is good, I'm willing to bet you're low single digits or better.

So driver speed doesn't befront me, unless we're all playing from the tips.

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Let’s take a few minutes to regroup.

 

Several people have commented that increasing your swing speed will give you the potential for a lower handicap. I don’t think many people would argue that a higher swing speed, and therefore the ability to hit the ball farther, wouldn’t give you that potential.

 

However, that’s almost the opposite of what this thread is about. I have to believe there are plenty of golfers like me; people who have slow swing speeds and high handicaps and spend the majority of their practice time trying to significantly increase their swing speeds in the belief that it’s the key to getting their handicaps down, but continue for years with high handicaps and never make any progress.

 

In the responses so far we’ve seen what I was hoping to see; numerous golfers with relatively slow swing speeds and handicap indexes that I would be very happy to own. This “proves” to me what many on this forum have been saying, which is that most of us would be better off working on learning to score rather than trying to hit the ball farther. I recall Monte Scheinblum commenting in a thread that he’s seen a lot of good swings ruined in the pursuit of more distance.

 

I’ve plotted the responses so far (hey, I’m an analyst, that’s what I do!). While the trendline definitely correlates higher swing speeds to lower indexes, we can see that there are plenty of golfers with sub-100 MPH swing speeds carrying indexes in the single digits. A few of these are even down below 90 MPH.

 

This tells me that if we (slow-swingers) start spending a lot more time learning to score instead of trying to swing significantly faster (full swings focused on accuracy instead of speed/distance, dialed in short-game, etc.), we have a decent chance of shooting significantly better scores, even with our slow swing speeds.

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This tells me that if we (slow-swingers) start spending a lot more time learning to score instead of trying to swing significantly faster (full swings focused on accuracy instead of speed/distance, dialed in short-game, etc.), we have a decent chance of shooting significantly better scores, even with our slow swing speeds.

Very true. Another thing to add is that sometimes it can actually work the other way as well: i.e instead of working to improve swing speed to improve scoring potential, by instead working on your swing with the goal of limiting your dispersion (and therefore helping your scoring), your swing speed will actually improve. That's actually what happened in my case...by working to get my swing and ballflight under control when I was swinging 108, I actually improved my speed up to 113 simply as a byproduct of better mechanics.

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Let’s take a few minutes to regroup.

 

Several people have commented that increasing your swing speed will give you the potential for a lower handicap. I don’t think many people would argue that a higher swing speed, and therefore the ability to hit the ball farther, wouldn’t give you that potential.

 

However, that’s almost the opposite of what this thread is about. I have to believe there are plenty of golfers like me; people who have slow swing speeds and high handicaps and spend the majority of their practice time trying to significantly increase their swing speeds in the belief that it’s the key to getting their handicaps down, but continue for years with high handicaps and never make any progress.

 

In the responses so far we’ve seen what I was hoping to see; numerous golfers with relatively slow swing speeds and handicap indexes that I would be very happy to own. This “proves” to me what many on this forum have been saying, which is that most of us would be better off working on learning to score rather than trying to hit the ball farther. I recall Monte Scheinblum commenting in a thread that he’s seen a lot of good swings ruined in the pursuit of more distance.

 

I’ve plotted the responses so far (hey, I’m an analyst, that’s what I do!). While the trendline definitely correlates higher swing speeds to lower indexes, we can see that there are plenty of golfers with sub-100 MPH swing speeds carrying indexes in the single digits. A few of these are even down below 90 MPH.

 

This tells me that if we (slow-swingers) start spending a lot more time learning to score instead of trying to swing significantly faster (full swings focused on accuracy instead of speed/distance, dialed in short-game, etc.), we have a decent chance of shooting significantly better scores, even with our slow swing speeds.

 

Nice graph.

 

Golfers and instruction tend to look at things backwards.

 

As you swing and play better, you will tend to hit it farther, as your swing gets better and more efficient, which allows it to hit the ball in the center more often and swing faster.

 

You don’t really get better while just singke mindedly trying to hit it farther.

 

When people come for a lesson with me wanting to hit it farther, I improve their 7-iron swing and driver club speed goes up.

 

 

All "tips" are welcome. Instruction not desired. 
 

 

The problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.

BERTRAND RUSSELL

 

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It's a nice plot indeed but I would say without context it could be a bit misleading and perhaps convince some golfers trying to improve into believing false hoods. In reality, most single digit golfers with lower than average swing speeds are likely older (55+), been playing the game a long time, and used to swing it a lot faster.

 

In reality, if you are 40 or younger, not severely out of shape, and swinging the driver 90mph, well that probably isnt something I'd be content with.

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It's a nice plot indeed but I would say without context it could be a bit misleading and perhaps convince some golfers trying to improve into believing false hoods. In reality, most single digit golfers with lower than average swing speeds are likely older (55+), been playing the game a long time, and used to swing it a lot faster.

 

In reality, if you are 40 or younger, not severely out of shape, and swinging the driver 90mph, well that probably isnt something I'd be content with.

I'm not sure I can agree, what falsehoods do you think the graph could promote? I see a correlation between lower handicaps and higher clubhead speed, and I think that's consistent with every other study that I've seen. Better players, in general, hit it longer.

 

That doesn't mean that a high swing speed automatically produces a lower handicap, or that a player should prioritize increasing his swing speed above all else. Better players also hit it more consistently solid, and straighter, and with better distance control. In my view, all of that is caused by having better swing mechanics. Improving swing mechanics is the way to becoming a better player for most people. Higher clubhead speed is a by-product of improved mechanics for most players, as Monte said a few posts back. Improved short game and putting is important too, but to a smaller degree.

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The graph itself is clear (lower index players typically swing the club faster), but the conjecture about some of the outliers is what might lead some down the wrong path, most specifically what I touched on, the single digit players with low (90 or lower) swing speeds.

 

I agree with everything you are saying about mechanics, improving in general, and gaining speed as a byproduct. But some folks may see the graph, accept they are just a slow swinger, and then simply go out and try to steer the ball vs figuring out what flaws and compensations are keeping them from reaching their theoretical max speed.

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Let’s take a few minutes to regroup.

 

Several people have commented that increasing your swing speed will give you the potential for a lower handicap. I don’t think many people would argue that a higher swing speed, and therefore the ability to hit the ball farther, wouldn’t give you that potential.

 

However, that’s almost the opposite of what this thread is about. I have to believe there are plenty of golfers like me; people who have slow swing speeds and high handicaps and spend the majority of their practice time trying to significantly increase their swing speeds in the belief that it’s the key to getting their handicaps down, but continue for years with high handicaps and never make any progress.

 

In the responses so far we’ve seen what I was hoping to see; numerous golfers with relatively slow swing speeds and handicap indexes that I would be very happy to own. This “proves” to me what many on this forum have been saying, which is that most of us would be better off working on learning to score rather than trying to hit the ball farther. I recall Monte Scheinblum commenting in a thread that he’s seen a lot of good swings ruined in the pursuit of more distance.

 

I’ve plotted the responses so far (hey, I’m an analyst, that’s what I do!). While the trendline definitely correlates higher swing speeds to lower indexes, we can see that there are plenty of golfers with sub-100 MPH swing speeds carrying indexes in the single digits. A few of these are even down below 90 MPH.

 

This tells me that if we (slow-swingers) start spending a lot more time learning to score instead of trying to swing significantly faster (full swings focused on accuracy instead of speed/distance, dialed in short-game, etc.), we have a decent chance of shooting significantly better scores, even with our slow swing speeds.

 

I think your statement about learning to score better, and just play better, is spot on.

 

I started playing at 12 and wasn't very good. By 13 I was breaking 100 regularly. By 14 I was breaking 90 regularly. My swing speed didn't change much. By 16 I was breaking 80 regularly. Between 16 and 17 I broke par for 9 holes occassionally. My swing speed increased as I got older and stronger, but not significantly. I grew up pre tiger so I was in that camp of "lifting will make me stiff and hurt my game".

 

I mostly got better because i learned to play better and score better. Short game, putting, course mgmt...

 

I got the all a good way today. For 5'8 and 175, I generate a decent bit of power. But I've had that swing speed for many, many years. The last year alone I've dropped my handicap by 3 shots just by focusing on hitting greens. My swi g speed is the same today as it was a year ago. I'm a better player than I was a year ago...

 

Now, can you help me make a few more putts per round?

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The graph itself is clear (lower index players typically swing the club faster), but the conjecture about some of the outliers is what might lead some down the wrong path, most specifically what I touched on, the single digit players with low (90 or lower) swing speeds.

 

I agree with everything you are saying about mechanics, improving in general, and gaining speed as a byproduct. But some folks may see the graph, accept they are just a slow swinger, and then simply go out and try to steer the ball vs figuring out what flaws and compensations are keeping them from reaching their theoretical max speed.

 

Exactly the point I was trying to get across earlier in the thread.

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OP, did you run the regression for that plot? I'm curious about the model for index considering speed and age.

 

No, just a simple plot using swing speed and index and just let Excel determine the trendline. My initial curiosity was purely getting a feel for a realistic HI goal based on my swing speed and club distances.

 

For others:

 

As I alluded to previously, I spend pretty much zero practice time on anything other than trying to hit each club farther than I do now. Included in that is that I have to be making decent contact and the ball has to go relatively straight with decent trajectory. But I definitely haven't been working on learning to score.

 

I have found over the past year or so that if I accept my current club distances for what they are and swing within myself, I can get the ball to, or around, the green in a number of strokes that if I then worked on my chipping and putting would likely get my index at least sub 15. I'm not talking about "steering" it, just focusing on making a good swing, making good contact, and not trying to kill it However, I end up playing with someone who out-drives me by 20 yards and I get blinded by the red mist, even though the third guy who's 20 yards behind me is beating both of us.

 

I'm over 50, been playing casually since I was about 10. I'm very fit for my age with little-to-no injuries or physical limitations. How much realistically could I expect to increase my swing speed? And would that be the best use of my practice time? I'm thinking I'd be better served splitting that time between improving my swing for accuracy vs. speed (some speed increase may be a by-product), and the other parts of my game that I'm currently ignoring.

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OP, did you run the regression for that plot? I'm curious about the model for index considering speed and age.

 

No, just a simple plot using swing speed and index and just let Excel determine the trendline. My initial curiosity was purely getting a feel for a realistic HI goal based on my swing speed and club distances.

 

For others:

 

As I alluded to previously, I spend pretty much zero practice time on anything other than trying to hit each club farther than I do now. Included in that is that I have to be making decent contact and the ball has to go relatively straight with decent trajectory. But I definitely haven't been working on learning to score.

 

I have found over the past year or so that if I accept my current club distances for what they are and swing within myself, I can get the ball to, or around, the green in a number of strokes that if I then worked on my chipping and putting would likely get my index at least sub 15. I'm not talking about "steering" it, just focusing on making a good swing, making good contact, and not trying to kill it However, I end up playing with someone who out-drives me by 20 yards and I get blinded by the red mist, even though the third guy who's 20 yards behind me is beating both of us.

 

I'm over 50, been playing casually since I was about 10. I'm very fit for my age with little-to-no injuries or physical limitations. How much realistically could I expect to increase my swing speed? And would that be the best use of my practice time? I'm thinking I'd be better served splitting that time between improving my swing for accuracy vs. speed (some speed increase may be a by-product), and the other parts of my game that I'm currently ignoring.

 

It largely depends on your current swing speed, but you could easily have more in the tank being limited by swing flaws. I play with one guy who is 60+ and some days can barely walk due to his bad back, but can still poke it out there 250 because he has a nice mechanically efficient swing.

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