Diesel_z06 Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Would it be funky to have a combo Hot Metal 4-6 then Tour 7-P? Probably. Plus you might need HM 5-7 and Tour 7-P to get the yardages right. Two 7 irons. Bold strategy. I guess I'm all for innovation. I lold so hard at this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobYakes Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 I'm all for a HM Pro/Tour version if Mizuno is thinking that they need a player's/low-hdcp distance iron in addition to their current MP and JPX offerings. I think the only way Mizuno does these is they make them with similar specs as TM's P790s in size/offset. Same Hot Metal tech but in a size and offset that would be between the 919 Tours and 919 Forged. Maybe use initials "JPX 919 HM Pro" Quote STEALTH 2 Tour AD DI 6X // SIM Oban Devotion 65-04 // 699 v2 MMT105s // JB Full Groove MMT105w // TOULON ATLANTA // Vice Pro+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hd.softail Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 I heard the Hot Metal Pro are a copy of the Players Distance Iron niche that's getting so popular like PXG, P790, I500, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlkNGld Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 I heard the Hot Metal Pro are a copy of the Players Distance Iron niche that's getting so popular like PXG, P790, I500, etc. Those are pretty different so not sure how it copies them all... might be better to say it addresses the same market. That said, many are reporting distances with the 919 forged that are only slightly behind the HM, or the i500. If that becomes commonplace, it's reasonable to ask what else an HM Pro brings to the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becon Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 As someone with a slower swing that likes the 919 tour's aesthetic, I want a 919 similar to the i500 so I can play longer irons. No way I can gap the 4,5,6 tour correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardten Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Based on the fact that the 919 fitting carts have open clubhead spots marked with that name, I have to say yes. IMO, a bit of fail not announcing it with the rest given this lets the cat out of the bag anyway. No matter what, there are going to be questions about where the HM Pro sits vs the JPX Forged regardless of when it's unveiled, and getting your own messaging and position out there is almost always preferable to unfounded speculations that'll otherwise fill the void.Agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeberlin Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Would it be funky to have a combo Hot Metal 4-6 then Tour 7-P? Probably. Plus you might need HM 5-7 and Tour 7-P to get the yardages right. I've been thinking of MP 18 FliHi 4-6 and 919 Tour 7-PW. Bending the lofts of the FliHis to get the gapping right. Anyone see any potential issues with this setup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardten Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I have hit all the new 919 stuff. If you like the genre of club the HM falls under, you will love it!!! Great looking, feeling, performing club! ;) Any thoughts on 919 HM vs the 900 version, any real improvement or mainly cosmetic?I don't notice an appreciable difference hitting both a couple demo sessions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nic19 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Has anyone actually seen these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_fish Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Sounds a little like an AP3 challenger? Sure sounds like it and it's a welcome addition to any OEM product line. For a 10hdcp like me who thinks the forged are not forgiving enough yet can't get along with the significantly more chunky Hot Metal something in between is just what I need. It's not just about looks either. When fitting, we can't get the Hot Metal in the correct fitting window where the forged are the right club on paper but, just not forgiving enough. I have the same issue between AP1 and AP2. AP3 for me is a perfect fit. Thanks to Titleist and Miz for adding the clubs I've been waiting a long time for! I've called out PING on this before. I'd love to see them put something in between the i210 and the g400. Specifically something with a little longer blade length for forgiveness. See, 10 handicapers don't necessarily need more height or higher launch/lower spin, or more offset. They just need a little more blade length to allow for our 50 cent coin miss range vs the pro/single digit who has a strike pattern the size of a dime.Totally agree. For the last few years I've been on a search for longer blade length with minimal offset. Only getting out a few times a year means I really need the forgiveness but don't have an issue getting the ball airborne. My "crazy" won't allow me to have a mish-mash set of irons so 0311X 5 iron, with XF 6-7 and "P" in 8-G is what I rock. I tried the MMC and Fli-hi MP before the PXG but just not as forgiving. Between the JPX Fli-Hi utility rumored and these I may be able to try something different. I haven't played Mizuno since T-Zoid Pro and love the looks of the newest JPX. old as the hills now, but the j40dpc's were exactly what I wanted when I wanted a low offset longer length iron. The reminded me of my old Ram ProSet long irons I had in the early 90's would love for Bridgestone to re-release the j40dpc irons. I loved mine and cannot tell you how many times I have kicked myself for selling them. Quote Srixon ZX5 10.5* Titleist Tsi 2 15* Callaway Apex UW 19* hybrid Mizuno JPX 923 Forged 4-GW Taylor Made Milled Grind Raw 54* Taylor Made Milled Grind Raw 58* Clay Long SS A220.2 custom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyKrasnodar Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I have hit all the new 919 stuff. If you like the genre of club the HM falls under, you will love it!!! Great looking, feeling, performing club! ;) Any thoughts on 919 HM vs the 900 version, any real improvement or mainly cosmetic?I don't notice an appreciable difference hitting both a couple demo sessions. Ever so slightly longer, a yard or two, same feel, same dispersion, more or less the same trajectory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwingMan Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Would it be funky to have a combo Hot Metal 4-6 then Tour 7-P? Yes, the Forged is a natural upgrade from the HM with some loft adjustment Quote Father, Wannabe Golfer, Novelist Ping G430 Max 9/TPT 19Hi Golf Shaft @45 in. (coming soon) Ping G430 3 wd/TPT 19 Hi Callaway Paradym 18/ TPT Golf 18 Hi Ping G430 4H/TPT Golf Ping i230 5-PW Recoil Dart 90 Artisan 50, 55, 59 or Ping Glide Forged Pro, Both with Nippon 105 Putter: LAB DF3 TPT Shaft (waiting) Vessel Bag ProV1x Ping ChipR in messy or no turf conditions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
payerasjl Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 I cant believe its not butter. love my new mizzys. Dont think i will ever leave mizzuno irons after grabbing my first set a few weeks ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairwindsgolfer Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 I cant believe its not butter. love my new mizzys. Dont think i will ever leave mizzuno irons after grabbing my first set a few weeks agoWhich Mizuno clubs did you get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTown3011 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Has anyone actually seen these? It looks exactly like the hot metal but smaller head, thinner sole, thinner topline, and less offset. Quote Epic Flash SZ 9.5* Mitsubishi Tensei AV Blue 65XEpic Flash 15.0* Mitsubishi Tensei AV Blue 75XApex '19 20* Fujikura Atmos HB TS Blue 8XX-Forged UT 21* KBS C-Taper Lite XApex CF19 Combo #5-P KBS $-Taper 120MD4 Raw 50-S/56-X/60-S KBS 610 120Odyssey MXM-V #7 "Tank" @ 38"Snell MTB-X / Chrome Soft X Triple Track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nic19 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Any release date? Sorry if someone has mentioned it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
third-times-a-charm Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Any release date? Sorry if someone has mentioned it? Supposedly mid February 2019 Quote PRDYMTC TOUR 9.8° + UB6 / PRDYMTC 15°@16 + UB6 / MVRKTC 18° + UB8 / G430 26°@25+ IZ95 / FRGD TEC5-G + MODUS115 / MD5TC / SPDR EXTC + GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcs11 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 These sound like they will be amazing driving iron/long iron replacements. Quote Titleist TSi3 10° - Diamana R Series 60 Cobra Rad 14.5° - Diamana BlueForce 70 Cobra F9 18.5° - Diamana BlueForce 80 Taylormade P790 (4-9) - Nippon Modus 105 Vokey 46F 50F 54S 58T - Nippon Modus 115 Scotty Cameron Squareback 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
76mpg Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Has anyone actually seen these? It looks exactly like the hot metal but smaller head, thinner sole, thinner topline, and less offset. Nice, when did you see them? Any idea when the carts will get demo heads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetmech879 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Has anyone actually seen these? It looks exactly like the hot metal but smaller head, thinner sole, thinner topline, and less offset. Nice, when did you see them? Any idea when the carts will get demo heads? Any word if there will be a 2 or 3 iron in these to compete in the driving iron market? Quote -Taylormade BRNR 11.5* set at 9.5* Ventus Red TR 7X playing 44.25” -Mizuno STz 230 hybrid 16* set at 15* Ventus Blue 8X -Mizuno STz 230 hybrid 19* Ventus Blue 9X -Mizuno JPX 923 Forged4&5, Tour 6-PW Project X LS 6.5 -Titleist Vokey SM9 50F set to 51*, 56D, & 62M set to 61* -Mizuno M-Craft OMOI Type 1 Blue Putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonflesh Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 What is gonna be the difference between the hm pro and the forged. Hm slightly more forgiving and slightly stronger lofts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwingMan Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 What is gonna be the difference between the hm pro and the forged. Hm slightly more forgiving and slightly stronger lofts? Based on their inherent design, HM is a cup face for better ball speed on off-center hits; the forged has thinned out its face for more ballspeed and will still be more playable from various lies due to its smaller size - and you will probably not see the back of the sole on longer irons as one does with the HM. Just a guess based on the present irons and description of HM Pro Quote Father, Wannabe Golfer, Novelist Ping G430 Max 9/TPT 19Hi Golf Shaft @45 in. (coming soon) Ping G430 3 wd/TPT 19 Hi Callaway Paradym 18/ TPT Golf 18 Hi Ping G430 4H/TPT Golf Ping i230 5-PW Recoil Dart 90 Artisan 50, 55, 59 or Ping Glide Forged Pro, Both with Nippon 105 Putter: LAB DF3 TPT Shaft (waiting) Vessel Bag ProV1x Ping ChipR in messy or no turf conditions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFargo Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 This topic has REALLY got my attention! I currently play HM 900’s and am pretty happy with them. I’ve been testing the 919’s and am settling on a split set of HM 4-6 and Forged 7-P. The new Hot Metal 919 is longer and higher than the 900 and is a great club with one problem, (for me), the occasional “jumper”. I hit a teed up 7, 180 yards the other day, not good. My normal distance might stretch to 160. That’s why I’m looking to the Forged. The 919 Forged is more forgiving than the 900 and has the buttery feel of a blade. A concern is the gapping of the split set.The HM Pro sounds like it would be perfect. The name alone helps with our egos. If I had a wish list, I’d make the low irons forged, or ?, to accomplish what I’m looking to do with the 919’s split set. Mizuno would corner the market for the “better” player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTown3011 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Has anyone actually seen these? It looks exactly like the hot metal but smaller head, thinner sole, thinner topline, and less offset. Nice, when did you see them? Any idea when the carts will get demo heads? I’m sworn to secrecy! Quote Epic Flash SZ 9.5* Mitsubishi Tensei AV Blue 65XEpic Flash 15.0* Mitsubishi Tensei AV Blue 75XApex '19 20* Fujikura Atmos HB TS Blue 8XX-Forged UT 21* KBS C-Taper Lite XApex CF19 Combo #5-P KBS $-Taper 120MD4 Raw 50-S/56-X/60-S KBS 610 120Odyssey MXM-V #7 "Tank" @ 38"Snell MTB-X / Chrome Soft X Triple Track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmeeksDC Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 I was checking this line out today. The HM 919 has quite a wide sole. Disguised by the different finishes splitting it, but it is wide and that explains why these are so forgiving despite the low bounce. To my eye the Tour and Forged looked better but I could see a HM as a long iron replacement instead of a hybrid. I am going to hit them all at some point and I want to see the HM Pro. But I am thinking 9-P in the Tour and the rest 919 Forged. With the thinner face on the Forged it seems you get all the distance you need and I don’t necessarily see an advantage to the HM. The Pros really will be tweeners. Quote Callaway Paradym Triple Diamond 10.5 w/Diamana TB 60S PXG GEN6 5 wood w/Diamana S-plus 70 stiff Yamaha RMX VD 7 wood w/Diamana S-plus 70 stiff Callaway Mavrik Pro hybrid (22) w/Aldila Tour Blue 85 stiff hybrid Wilson Staff Model CB 5-G w/DG s300 shafts Edel T grind 54 w/Nippon 125 wedge shaft Fourteen RM-12 58 w/Dynamic Golds400 Axis1 Rose putter, 34 inches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evoviiiyou Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I was checking this line out today. The HM 919 has quite a wide sole. Disguised by the different finishes splitting it, but it is wide and that explains why these are so forgiving despite the low bounce. To my eye the Tour and Forged looked better but I could see a HM as a long iron replacement instead of a hybrid. I am going to hit them all at some point and I want to see the HM Pro. But I am thinking 9-P in the Tour and the rest 919 Forged. With the thinner face on the Forged it seems you get all the distance you need and I don’t necessarily see an advantage to the HM. The Pros really will be tweeners. This is just about what I just ordered: 4-9 ForgedPW Tour 1*strong At Carl’s Golf Land outside with real ball flight, the Forged are just lovely. Seemingly more responsive from a subjective “feel” and sound standpoint than my P790’s which I love. Recently, while my 919’s are being built, I went back to my 900 Forged and surprised I left them for the P790’s. I think the distance gain 5-7 yards at the same club speed and spin with the P790’s seduced me. In the end I will not leave Mizuno Forged irons in some form ever again. Bank it Quote PXG GEN6 0311 10.5*DRIVER/FUJI RED VELOCORE 6S/GP TW WHT PXG GEN5 0311XF 17*FAIRWAY/FUJI MOTORE X F3 7S/GP TW WHT PXG GEN3 0311XP 3 IRON/TT ELEVATE TOUR S/WINN DT WRAP PXG GEN3 0311P 4-PW/TT ELEVATE TOUR S/WINN DT WRAP PXG GEN4 0311P GW/TT ELEVATE TOUR S/WINN DT WRAP PXG SD II WEDGES/56/13&62/10/TT ELEVATE TOUR S/GP TW BLK MACHINE M2A 1018RAW CS PUTTER/ACCRA I-STEEL/SS FLAT 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtowngolf Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Has anyone actually seen these? It looks exactly like the hot metal but smaller head, thinner sole, thinner topline, and less offset. Nice, when did you see them? Any idea when the carts will get demo heads? Soon! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rpete33 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Has anyone actually seen these? It looks exactly like the hot metal but smaller head, thinner sole, thinner topline, and less offset. Nice, when did you see them? Any idea when the carts will get demo heads? Soon! :) Will these have less offset than forged? I would consider a 2 iron and 4 iron paired with 919 tour 5-pw if that’s the case, not a huge fan of the forged look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofxnate28 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Has anyone actually seen these? It looks exactly like the hot metal but smaller head, thinner sole, thinner topline, and less offset. Nice, when did you see them? Any idea when the carts will get demo heads? Soon! :) Geez. Now I don't know whether to wait for these or go with a combo of the existing 919 series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evoviiiyou Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I can’t see the Hot Metal pro add more “player” like design characteristics than the Forged? My guess would be Tour/ Forged/ HM Pro/ HM in terms of size, top lines, soles, forgiveness etc... And/Or HM pro adds 2-3-4 irons like a JPX version of the MP Fli-Hi series. Quote PXG GEN6 0311 10.5*DRIVER/FUJI RED VELOCORE 6S/GP TW WHT PXG GEN5 0311XF 17*FAIRWAY/FUJI MOTORE X F3 7S/GP TW WHT PXG GEN3 0311XP 3 IRON/TT ELEVATE TOUR S/WINN DT WRAP PXG GEN3 0311P 4-PW/TT ELEVATE TOUR S/WINN DT WRAP PXG GEN4 0311P GW/TT ELEVATE TOUR S/WINN DT WRAP PXG SD II WEDGES/56/13&62/10/TT ELEVATE TOUR S/GP TW BLK MACHINE M2A 1018RAW CS PUTTER/ACCRA I-STEEL/SS FLAT 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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