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Wow, I didn't realized how many 300+ hitters we have in here, lol...

 

I hit a 3w any chance I get. A well hit 3w from the fairway is a sublime golf shot.

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Okay, these responses reflect my feelings. I love my 3W off the tee and depending on the course, use it usually 3-8 times a round, it has improved my fairways and driving immensely. I rarely have more than a 4 iron in on a par 5 and am more than comfortable with my 3 hybrid hitting into the odd long one.

If you typically have only a 4 or 5i into a par 5, are you really playing the correct tee? I feel a reachable par 5 should require a FW/Hyb to reach. Otherwise, I'm not starting in the right spot.

 

Course, my driver carry is only about 250 at sea level. 14.5* 3w is about 230-240. For the record, I ALWAYS play my FWs off the deck and practice them a lot! I also carry a 19* FW that gives me 210-215. I will use them to go for any green that isn't to firm or has penal surroundings.

 

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Agreed. If you can knock it off the tee 260-300 and don't have 300-250 remaining on a par 5, you're probably on the wrong tee box (barring a short course layout, that is).

 

What would you consider a short course? Or a short par 5 for that matter?

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Okay, these responses reflect my feelings. I love my 3W off the tee and depending on the course, use it usually 3-8 times a round, it has improved my fairways and driving immensely. I rarely have more than a 4 iron in on a par 5 and am more than comfortable with my 3 hybrid hitting into the odd long one.

If you typically have only a 4 or 5i into a par 5, are you really playing the correct tee? I feel a reachable par 5 should require a FW/Hyb to reach. Otherwise, I'm not starting in the right spot.

 

Course, my driver carry is only about 250 at sea level. 14.5* 3w is about 230-240. For the record, I ALWAYS play my FWs off the deck and practice them a lot! I also carry a 19* FW that gives me 210-215. I will use them to go for any green that isn't to firm or has penal surroundings.

 

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Agreed. If you can knock it off the tee 260-300 and don't have 300-250 remaining on a par 5, you're probably on the wrong tee box (barring a short course layout, that is).

 

What would you consider a short course? Or a short par 5 for that matter?

Exactly. Is a 530yd par 5 short? Is 6800 total short? For long hitters it is but the tips only go back so far.

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Okay, these responses reflect my feelings. I love my 3W off the tee and depending on the course, use it usually 3-8 times a round, it has improved my fairways and driving immensely. I rarely have more than a 4 iron in on a par 5 and am more than comfortable with my 3 hybrid hitting into the odd long one.

If you typically have only a 4 or 5i into a par 5, are you really playing the correct tee? I feel a reachable par 5 should require a FW/Hyb to reach. Otherwise, I'm not starting in the right spot.

 

Course, my driver carry is only about 250 at sea level. 14.5* 3w is about 230-240. For the record, I ALWAYS play my FWs off the deck and practice them a lot! I also carry a 19* FW that gives me 210-215. I will use them to go for any green that isn't to firm or has penal surroundings.

 

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Agreed. If you can knock it off the tee 260-300 and don't have 300-250 remaining on a par 5, you're probably on the wrong tee box (barring a short course layout, that is).

 

What would you consider a short course? Or a short par 5 for that matter?

Exactly. Is a 530yd par 5 short? Is 6800 total short? For long hitters it is but the tips only go back so far.

 

Right, 6800 yards is pretty average. A lot are shorter than that from the tips. Not too many courses around me that are longer than that. In fact I can only think of one that is just barely over 7000.

 

But, in some people's minds, anyone who hits the ball a long ways is either measuring their distance wrong or just someone blatantly lying hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.

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I may be off - but I think a lot of people are misreading the OPs point. He's not saying he doesn't like hitting 3w off the deck because its an intimidating shot per se. He is saying is a largely unnecessary shot.

 

I'm not super long, but knock it out there a good ways. And I agree - maybe once every couple rounds I need a 3w off the deck. Its understandable why a short/medium hitter would need "the longest club they can elevate off the deck" a ton.

 

I'm actually in the process of turning my 3w into a tee ball oriented setup, as opposed to something I'm equivocating over with approach shot considerations. I just want my 3 wood to be a straight flying fairway finder from 250-270. Need this shot a lot for short-medium length par 4s, doglegs, etc. When i need it for the random par 5 approach I'll probably develop a high cut with it (which should work because I'm designing it to avoid the left rough off the tee).

 

It's hard to define "necessary", but i certainly would say that hitting 3 woods off the deck is a net positive to my scoring. I happen to be a very good tee-to-green player (pros and cons of living through winters where you can practice long game year round but short game only in season)....so i hit 3 woods well. The amount of times i make birdie or an easy par on a par 5 when hitting it for sure outweigh the amount of times i make bogey

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Okay, these responses reflect my feelings. I love my 3W off the tee and depending on the course, use it usually 3-8 times a round, it has improved my fairways and driving immensely. I rarely have more than a 4 iron in on a par 5 and am more than comfortable with my 3 hybrid hitting into the odd long one.

If you typically have only a 4 or 5i into a par 5, are you really playing the correct tee? I feel a reachable par 5 should require a FW/Hyb to reach. Otherwise, I'm not starting in the right spot.

 

Course, my driver carry is only about 250 at sea level. 14.5* 3w is about 230-240. For the record, I ALWAYS play my FWs off the deck and practice them a lot! I also carry a 19* FW that gives me 210-215. I will use them to go for any green that isn't to firm or has penal surroundings.

 

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Agreed. If you can knock it off the tee 260-300 and don't have 300-250 remaining on a par 5, you're probably on the wrong tee box (barring a short course layout, that is).

 

What would you consider a short course? Or a short par 5 for that matter?

Exactly. Is a 530yd par 5 short? Is 6800 total short? For long hitters it is but the tips only go back so far.

 

I have wondered aloud many times in the "ball rollback" threads how great it would be to have actual data on the average length that rounds get played at by amateur golfers. Remembering that the average handicap (and this is already skewed towards better players who actually bother to keep handicaps) is something like 12-14, what do we think the average golf round is played from? Maybe 6200yds? 6300yds? I would strongly doubt it's more than that

 

I would guess maybe at most 5-7% of golfers actually play their average round from more than 6800yds. That might even be too high a number. It's less than that here for sure, though i understand Quebec is not a golf hotbed. Nevertheless i've played a ton of golf and have been a member at 2 pretty good clubs here

 

You'd think the USGA could research this a bit more thoroughly, but i understand why they wouldn't if someone there who may have an agenda and potentially is in charge of making the decision thinks that this may actually ruin his case.

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Okay, these responses reflect my feelings. I love my 3W off the tee and depending on the course, use it usually 3-8 times a round, it has improved my fairways and driving immensely. I rarely have more than a 4 iron in on a par 5 and am more than comfortable with my 3 hybrid hitting into the odd long one.

If you typically have only a 4 or 5i into a par 5, are you really playing the correct tee? I feel a reachable par 5 should require a FW/Hyb to reach. Otherwise, I'm not starting in the right spot.

 

Course, my driver carry is only about 250 at sea level. 14.5* 3w is about 230-240. For the record, I ALWAYS play my FWs off the deck and practice them a lot! I also carry a 19* FW that gives me 210-215. I will use them to go for any green that isn't to firm or has penal surroundings.

 

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Agreed. If you can knock it off the tee 260-300 and don't have 300-250 remaining on a par 5, you're probably on the wrong tee box (barring a short course layout, that is).

 

What would you consider a short course? Or a short par 5 for that matter?

500 would be a short 5 (driver, 24* 4i) anything under 6500 would probably feel short, depending on the layout (open holes you can go for vs guarded/tight holes that are tough and don't play long).

 

Edit: for reference, most of the courses in my area play in the 6800-7400 range from the tips.

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Lay ups are for basket ball.

I play longer courses and often find my self 250+ in.

When I’m hitting it well... as this is the more inconsistent piece of my game.

265 is a green light for me with the 3wood off the deck.

But I’m a fairly long hitter and hard swinger.

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Wow, I didn't realized how many 300+ hitters we have in here, lol...

 

I hit a 3w any chance I get. A well hit 3w from the fairway is a sublime golf shot.

 

This is a golf forum for die hard enthusiasts so I assume there are a lot of guys who play the game a ton and probably even hit the ball pretty darn well.

 

Not even to single you out but how often do you have to hit a 3 wood off the deck?

 

From the tee I get it many guys have different clubs they choose but the main point of this discussion is off the deck.

 

I went through the 3 courses in my town in my head and there is only 2 holes where I would need a 3 wood off the deck to approach it even from the back of the furthest box. (550+ for the sake of my argument)

 

All that being said I just find more utility from carrying an extra wedge or long iron than gaming a 3 wood I might hit once every couple weeks.

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I rarely have a 270 yard approach shot that merits the risk. My 5W carries roughly 265-270.

 

Much prefer going at something around 230 yards with a hybrid.

Do you compete in long drive?

 

No. I think you have to hit a fairway in Long Drive. I'd be useless.

 

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Wow, I didn't realized how many 300+ hitters we have in here, lol...

 

I hit a 3w any chance I get. A well hit 3w from the fairway is a sublime golf shot.

 

This is a golf forum for die hard enthusiasts so I assume there are a lot of guys who play the game a ton and probably even hit the ball pretty darn well.

 

Not even to single you out but how often do you have to hit a 3 wood off the deck?

 

From the tee I get it many guys have different clubs they choose but the main point of this discussion is off the deck.

 

I went through the 3 courses in my town in my head and there is only 2 holes where I would need a 3 wood off the deck to approach it even from the back of the furthest box. (550+ for the sake of my argument)

 

All that being said I just find more utility from carrying an extra wedge or long iron than gaming a 3 wood I might hit once every couple weeks.

 

Nice! Do three wedges!

 

Like I was mentioning earlier certain courses are laid out to need the 3 wood if your gonna reach the par five in two.

 

Our 9th hole is 200 to the dogleg, 300 after that to the hole.

 

If we didn't have holes like that, or if I'm hitting straight drives I likely wouldn't use it unless the hole is 550+, which I only know two holes like that in town.

 

But original post is asking about off deck for long hitters.... just a quick point, I'm using my 3 wood off the tee quite often because I'm a long hitter and I'm often avoiding shooting through doglegs and what not. Anything I can hit off the deck, I can hit off tee. So I make sure my 3 wood can do both cause why not.

 

I would struggle if I took my 3 wood out, even if I couldn't hit it/didn't need to hit it off deck

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Okay, these responses reflect my feelings. I love my 3W off the tee and depending on the course, use it usually 3-8 times a round, it has improved my fairways and driving immensely. I rarely have more than a 4 iron in on a par 5 and am more than comfortable with my 3 hybrid hitting into the odd long one.

If you typically have only a 4 or 5i into a par 5, are you really playing the correct tee? I feel a reachable par 5 should require a FW/Hyb to reach. Otherwise, I'm not starting in the right spot.

 

Course, my driver carry is only about 250 at sea level. 14.5* 3w is about 230-240. For the record, I ALWAYS play my FWs off the deck and practice them a lot! I also carry a 19* FW that gives me 210-215. I will use them to go for any green that isn't to firm or has penal surroundings.

 

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Agreed. If you can knock it off the tee 260-300 and don't have 300-250 remaining on a par 5, you're probably on the wrong tee box (barring a short course layout, that is).

 

What would you consider a short course? Or a short par 5 for that matter?

MY definition of a short par 5 is one you hit a midiron onto the green for your second shot. Distance is relative. Wind, elevation and other conditions all play a role.

 

BTW, just realized the OP said "HAVE to hit a 3w off the deck". Well, we never HAVE to, but we often do anyway. I read it as when are you 3w distance out on a par 5. Which is fairly often, for me, because I like to play longer courses. 6800+ is the shortest with the longest being 7750. But then, it's at 6000' and plays shorter than that.

 

Regardless, if you don't have a need for any club in your bag, it's time to swap it out for something you DO NEED!

 

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Okay, these responses reflect my feelings. I love my 3W off the tee and depending on the course, use it usually 3-8 times a round, it has improved my fairways and driving immensely. I rarely have more than a 4 iron in on a par 5 and am more than comfortable with my 3 hybrid hitting into the odd long one.

If you typically have only a 4 or 5i into a par 5, are you really playing the correct tee? I feel a reachable par 5 should require a FW/Hyb to reach. Otherwise, I'm not starting in the right spot.

 

Course, my driver carry is only about 250 at sea level. 14.5* 3w is about 230-240. For the record, I ALWAYS play my FWs off the deck and practice them a lot! I also carry a 19* FW that gives me 210-215. I will use them to go for any green that isn't to firm or has penal surroundings.

 

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Agreed. If you can knock it off the tee 260-300 and don't have 300-250 remaining on a par 5, you're probably on the wrong tee box (barring a short course layout, that is).

 

What would you consider a short course? Or a short par 5 for that matter?

MY definition of a short par 5 is one you hit a midiron onto the green for your second shot. Distance is relative.

 

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It is. But, at very average length courses (both around 6800 yards), I only need to hit a 3 wood if there is a strong wind in my face. All the par 5's are between 520-550 yards. Some are a dog leg with trouble that can be carried to cut off even more distance. There is one par 5 that I think is pretty gimicky. It's about 300 yards from the tee to a stream cutting across the hole. I hit 3 wood from that tee. That same stream winds through the hole 3 times before finally cutting in front of the green. So, it is a forced layup on the approach as well unless you can get your ball just up to the end of the fairway off the tee. Then, you are about 240 yards out. If I am further back and would need a 3 wood, I don't go for it. The stream runs into a pond that is all around the left side of the green.

 

Point being, we don't have any more tee boxes to move back to. Not in a golf mecca, so our options of championship length courses are pretty much non-existent.

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I think something that hurts a lot of players who try to hit 3 wood off the ground is that they instinctively try to hit the green instead of an intermediate target, because most players have "as far as I can" as their driver and 3 wood yardage, rather than an iron-like approach, which leads to swinging out of their shoes, which leads to horrible shots.

 

Say I'm 270 out (i was, yesterday, at TPC Louisiana). I can't hit a 3 wood that far. What I can do, however, is hit it about 250, giving me a 20 yard pitch, which is about a .25 birdie chance.

 

Scenario 1: I try to hit my 3 wood 250. I hit it solid, have a pitch, make par/birdie.

Scenario 2: I try to hit my 3 wood to the green. I swing out of my shoes and its a disaster.

 

Your 3 wood is just a tool. Most players can't hit it because they always pick the green as the target. It has a yardage, and generally (*generally*) you will score the lowest hitting a controlled 3 wood as far up to the green as possible as any other club. However, if you don't know your 3 woods yardage and you just swing wildly at it from 240 and 265 and 2-whatever, you'll have a bad day.

 

Same for driver off the tee. Amazes me how players just have no idea how far to try to hit it, so it becomes "as far as possible", which becomes the trees or the lake.

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I rarely have a 270 yard approach shot that merits the risk. My 5W carries roughly 265-270.

 

Much prefer going at something around 230 yards with a hybrid.

Do you compete in long drive?

 

Hey now I hit my 5W 270 once ... I mean it was a skank about 3 feet off the ground and 40 feet left - skipped off the path into the other fairway. But it easily went 270. Think it was on 18 and I made double for a crowd pleasing 91.

 

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My average drive (carry plus roll) is 275-285 when I do my part, that being the case, I rarely would hit 3 wood off the deck. Because of that, I shifted from a 13.5* three wood that I could hit very nearly as far as my driver to a 5 wood with a 3 wood length shaft. It's worked quite well for purposes of gapping between my driver and 3 iron.

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Wow, I didn't realized how many 300+ hitters we have in here, lol...

 

I hit a 3w any chance I get. A well hit 3w from the fairway is a sublime golf shot.

 

This is a golf forum for die hard enthusiasts so I assume there are a lot of guys who play the game a ton and probably even hit the ball pretty darn well.

 

Not even to single you out but how often do you have to hit a 3 wood off the deck?

 

From the tee I get it many guys have different clubs they choose but the main point of this discussion is off the deck.

 

I went through the 3 courses in my town in my head and there is only 2 holes where I would need a 3 wood off the deck to approach it even from the back of the furthest box. (550+ for the sake of my argument)

 

All that being said I just find more utility from carrying an extra wedge or long iron than gaming a 3 wood I might hit once every couple weeks.

 

Nice! Do three wedges!

 

Like I was mentioning earlier certain courses are laid out to need the 3 wood if your gonna reach the par five in two.

 

Our 9th hole is 200 to the dogleg, 300 after that to the hole.

 

If we didn't have holes like that, or if I'm hitting straight drives I likely wouldn't use it unless the hole is 550+, which I only know two holes like that in town.

 

But original post is asking about off deck for long hitters.... just a quick point, I'm using my 3 wood off the tee quite often because I'm a long hitter and I'm often avoiding shooting through doglegs and what not. Anything I can hit off the deck, I can hit off tee. So I make sure my 3 wood can do both cause why not.

 

I would struggle if I took my 3 wood out, even if I couldn't hit it/didn't need to hit it off deck

 

Fair point!

 

Bags do get shaped by the courses that play often for sure.

 

When I travelled to Washington I noticed lots of par fives where I had to lay up off the tee. It was weird for me going iron/hybrid then fairway wood. Courses can force it for sure.

 

 

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Okay, these responses reflect my feelings. I love my 3W off the tee and depending on the course, use it usually 3-8 times a round, it has improved my fairways and driving immensely. I rarely have more than a 4 iron in on a par 5 and am more than comfortable with my 3 hybrid hitting into the odd long one.

If you typically have only a 4 or 5i into a par 5, are you really playing the correct tee? I feel a reachable par 5 should require a FW/Hyb to reach. Otherwise, I'm not starting in the right spot.

 

Course, my driver carry is only about 250 at sea level. 14.5* 3w is about 230-240. For the record, I ALWAYS play my FWs off the deck and practice them a lot! I also carry a 19* FW that gives me 210-215. I will use them to go for any green that isn't to firm or has penal surroundings.

 

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Agreed. If you can knock it off the tee 260-300 and don't have 300-250 remaining on a par 5, you're probably on the wrong tee box (barring a short course layout, that is).

 

What would you consider a short course? Or a short par 5 for that matter?

Exactly. Is a 530yd par 5 short? Is 6800 total short? For long hitters it is but the tips only go back so far.

 

Lol classic lose lose situation. When we play 6500-6800 and you’re long/mid iron into par 5s...Its the wrong tee. If I play tips if course is long, then I get judged for slowing play no matter how good I play.

 

 




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I think something that hurts a lot of players who try to hit 3 wood off the ground is that they instinctively try to hit the green instead of an intermediate target, because most players have "as far as I can" as their driver and 3 wood yardage, rather than an iron-like approach, which leads to swinging out of their shoes, which leads to horrible shots.

 

Say I'm 270 out (i was, yesterday, at TPC Louisiana). I can't hit a 3 wood that far. What I can do, however, is hit it about 250, giving me a 20 yard pitch, which is about a .25 birdie chance.

 

Scenario 1: I try to hit my 3 wood 250. I hit it solid, have a pitch, make par/birdie.

Scenario 2: I try to hit my 3 wood to the green. I swing out of my shoes and its a disaster.

 

Your 3 wood is just a tool. Most players can't hit it because they always pick the green as the target. It has a yardage, and generally (*generally*) you will score the lowest hitting a controlled 3 wood as far up to the green as possible as any other club. However, if you don't know your 3 woods yardage and you just swing wildly at it from 240 and 265 and 2-whatever, you'll have a bad day.

 

Same for driver off the tee. Amazes me how players just have no idea how far to try to hit it, so it becomes "as far as possible", which becomes the trees or the lake.

 

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update my 3 wood usage from the fairway, now at 4 for the year

 

Hit it today on the 18th - 264 slightly up hill - aiming to the right of the green and was to draw from there as water on the left.

 

result big hook into the water. lucky I got up and down for a 5.

 

Dam this thread making me do things! I should have just either hit a 2 iron short right or just hit it better!

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I played with a low handicapper once this summer and he hits 3 wood on any possibility (no tee) for the added control.

 

I laugh at all the anti-3 wood comments which is contrary to what the OP is asking for.

 

I play a strong 3 wood off the tee and fairway. For off the tee, it’s mainly to draw the ball on shaping holes.

 

For off the deck, my first concern is the lie, secondly ball position and thirdly keep the club in front of me.

 

If I have any doubts, 2 iron it is.

 

I hit mine off the deck all the time, even from the box, I rarely use a tee. #1 on a course I play regularly is dogleg left par 5, even from the tips a driver is too much club because of water on corner of the dogleg. 3w off the tee to 265, and 2nd off the fairway I am on in 2 or very close depending on the roll out. Don't see much difference in distance off a tee or the deck.

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I hit it long, have not played with many longer then me.

 

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G400 3 wood at 13.5

Then I go P790 at 18*

 

Seems to work well for me

 

3 wood is mostly a tee club. About 285 off the tee with it.

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I played with a low handicapper once this summer and he hits 3 wood on any possibility (no tee) for the added control.

 

I laugh at all the anti-3 wood comments which is contrary to what the OP is asking for.

 

I play a strong 3 wood off the tee and fairway. For off the tee, it’s mainly to draw the ball on shaping holes.

 

For off the deck, my first concern is the lie, secondly ball position and thirdly keep the club in front of me.

 

If I have any doubts, 2 iron it is.

 

I hit mine off the deck all the time, even from the box, I rarely use a tee. #1 on a course I play regularly is dogleg left par 5, even from the tips a driver is too much club because of water on corner of the dogleg. 3w off the tee to 265, and 2nd off the fairway I am on in 2 or very close depending on the roll out. Don't see much difference in distance off a tee or the deck.

 

I think the OP was asking how often long hitters find themselves hitting 3 wood. For me, decently long, it basically collects dust

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This is really kind of a silly question. The answer has everything to do with the course you’re playing.

 

Some big boy courses call for it - but most sub 6500 yard courses for me do not. Off the tee. Different story. My 3 wood is mostly a weapon off the tee. Occasionally I can do some fun things on long par 5s

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I’m not super long anymore, old man but I hit mine at the club between 0-2 times of the deck depending on the weather

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Slightly off topic but I'd love to know this - am I the only person who uses a 3w from the tee box but doesn't tee the ball up? I cannot hit fairways, hybrids or irons from a tee - it messes with my mind something rotten and make me put an awful 'upwards'swing on the ball. I just drop the ball in a nice patch of grass on the box and go. I'm certainly the only one in my playing group that only uses a tee when hitting a driver.

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Took it out a couple of rounds ago and haven't missed it. Just use a hybrid or two now and usually just need my 3 hybrid or 4 iron on down if it's not driver. Off the tee would be OK, but then I'd just hit hybrid off the tee. Off the deck, hybrid is much easier to hit.

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Slightly off topic but I'd love to know this - am I the only person who uses a 3w from the tee box but doesn't tee the ball up? I cannot hit fairways, hybrids or irons from a tee - it messes with my mind something rotten and make me put an awful 'upwards'swing on the ball. I just drop the ball in a nice patch of grass on the box and go. I'm certainly the only one in my playing group that only uses a tee when hitting a driver.

 

If I tee it up it is basically flush with the ground and just there to provide a good lie.

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I'd call myself a long hitter in the real world (as in I am rarely outdriven), but here on WRX I'm probably average with my 270 - 300 yard drives :) Most of the courses I play are 6300 yards off the Whites, so in all honesty, the 3 Wood is a tee club for, and rarely gets hit off the deck. I have iron options up to 230 yards, and any further than that I will normally lay up with a 2 or 4 iron, then flick with a wedge and on.

 

Only real exceptions are the 15th at one course I play, which is 540 yards straight uphill, and usually into the wind - or if I find myself on the wrong fairway on a Par 5 - the 3 wood will come out then.

 

But then, I am also old skool enough to wonder, if you have a really long way to go off the deck, why stop at a 3 wood? If the lie is OK, get your driver out, aim left and open the face a tad. Now THAT is a satisfying shot to pull off.

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