Is KBS Tour "Toe Drop" really a thing?

[Wardonation]

I had a set when they came out and found this to be an issue, but I am wondering if this really is a thing? If so, do people adjust lie angle? ANy feedback would be appreciated?

[halliedog]

I had a set when they came out and found this to be an issue, but I am wondering if this really is a thing? If so, do people adjust lie angle? ANy feedback would be appreciated?

 

Apparently for you it is?

 

edit - best way to tell is get a fitting, as different shafts will do different things for different people with different heads.

[DaveMac]

Toe down is a reality of golf club delivery, it is a result of the player’s swing and the reaction of the shaft to the swing, it is not an issue isolated to the KBS tour.

 

Depending on the amount of toe down and how it affects strike, it can be managed by lie angle adjustment, shaft change and if required a change in technique.

[jj9000]

If the tips are bent 45* I could see this being an issue.

 

I wish I wasn't joking.

[Socrates]

I had a set when they came out and found this to be an issue, but I am wondering if this really is a thing? If so, do people adjust lie angle? ANy feedback would be appreciated?

Droop is the term. As you swing the club, the centrifugal forces are trying to create a straight line from your hands to the CG of the clubhead. There is always some amount of deflection or droop. The amount of droop varies with shaft (specifically shaft tip) flex and the swing speed. Which is why players should get checked for lie angle when they change to a different shaft in their clubs. KBS shafts have a soft tip section and it wouldn't surprise me to see a 1º lie change depending on what was used previously. The head shape can also be a factor as a longer flatter sole combined with a switch to a softer shaft may require more of a change in lie.

 

The whole KBS shaft tip becoming bent at the hosel is a whole different matter.

[halliedog]

I had a set when they came out and found this to be an issue, but I am wondering if this really is a thing? If so, do people adjust lie angle? ANy feedback would be appreciated?

Droop is the term. As you swing the club, the centrifugal forces are trying to create a straight line from your hands to the CG of the clubhead. There is always some amount of deflection or droop. The amount of droop varies with shaft (specifically shaft tip) flex and the swing speed. Which is why players should get checked for lie angle when they change to a different shaft in their clubs. KBS shafts have a soft tip section and it wouldn't surprise me to see a 1º lie change depending on what was used previously. The head shape can also be a factor as a longer flatter sole combined with a switch to a softer shaft may require more of a change in lie.

 

The whole KBS shaft tip becoming bent at the hosel is a whole different matter.

 

Socrates, not trying to thread-jack, but you seem quite knowledgeable - to the best of your knowledge has KBS remedied the tip bending thing with the Tour Vs and Tour FLTs? I just pulled a set of Tour Vs from a set that I used for 2-3 years and didn't notice any bending, (but my SS is not of WRX stature). I have a set of S C-Tapers in some clubs I've used a little longer and don't notice anything on them either, but haven't pulled them to examine.

[Socrates]

I had a set when they came out and found this to be an issue, but I am wondering if this really is a thing? If so, do people adjust lie angle? ANy feedback would be appreciated?

Droop is the term. As you swing the club, the centrifugal forces are trying to create a straight line from your hands to the CG of the clubhead. There is always some amount of deflection or droop. The amount of droop varies with shaft (specifically shaft tip) flex and the swing speed. Which is why players should get checked for lie angle when they change to a different shaft in their clubs. KBS shafts have a soft tip section and it wouldn't surprise me to see a 1º lie change depending on what was used previously. The head shape can also be a factor as a longer flatter sole combined with a switch to a softer shaft may require more of a change in lie.

 

The whole KBS shaft tip becoming bent at the hosel is a whole different matter.

 

Socrates, not trying to thread-jack, but you seem quite knowledgeable - to the best of your knowledge has KBS remedied the tip bending thing with the Tour Vs and Tour FLTs? I just pulled a set of Tour Vs from a set that I used for 2-3 years and didn't notice any bending, (but my SS is not of WRX stature). I have a set of S C-Tapers in some clubs I've used a little longer and don't notice anything on them either, but haven't pulled them to examine.

Not that I’m aware of. What makes kbs shafts popular, is also their Achilles heel. They seem to be content to replace as required by people with bent tips. All I can tell you is that I have yet to take apart a set of clubs where there isn’t one or more of the shafts bent. This encompasses joe hackers clubs and golf professionals clubs so it can’t be attributed to just crappy golfers. The only real way to tell is to pull them apart and inspect them. Many golfers if the do notice something (and most don’t) attribute any change to their irons magically changing lie or loft and have them altered without realizing the shaft is bending and not the hosel.

[halliedog]

I had a set when they came out and found this to be an issue, but I am wondering if this really is a thing? If so, do people adjust lie angle? ANy feedback would be appreciated?

Droop is the term. As you swing the club, the centrifugal forces are trying to create a straight line from your hands to the CG of the clubhead. There is always some amount of deflection or droop. The amount of droop varies with shaft (specifically shaft tip) flex and the swing speed. Which is why players should get checked for lie angle when they change to a different shaft in their clubs. KBS shafts have a soft tip section and it wouldn't surprise me to see a 1º lie change depending on what was used previously. The head shape can also be a factor as a longer flatter sole combined with a switch to a softer shaft may require more of a change in lie.

 

The whole KBS shaft tip becoming bent at the hosel is a whole different matter.

 

Socrates, not trying to thread-jack, but you seem quite knowledgeable - to the best of your knowledge has KBS remedied the tip bending thing with the Tour Vs and Tour FLTs? I just pulled a set of Tour Vs from a set that I used for 2-3 years and didn't notice any bending, (but my SS is not of WRX stature). I have a set of S C-Tapers in some clubs I've used a little longer and don't notice anything on them either, but haven't pulled them to examine.

Not that I’m aware of. What makes kbs shafts popular, is also their Achilles heel. They seem to be content to replace as required by people with bent tips. All I can tell you is that I have yet to take apart a set of clubs where there isn’t one or more of the shafts bent. This encompasses joe hackers clubs and golf professionals clubs so it can’t be attributed to just crappy golfers. The only real way to tell is to pull them apart and inspect them. Many golfers if the do notice something (and most don’t) attribute any change to their irons magically changing lie or loft and have them altered without realizing the shaft is bending and not the hosel.

 

Thanks for the feedback. I guess I'll need to check mine although my SS tops out about 105-109 for Driver.

 

Now back to OP's question.

[TheBIIgCat]

KBS has not remedied the issue. I have bent the short irons in 2 separate sets. Although customer service is great, it’s a major hassle to replace the shafts once a year

[TPG1971]

KBS has not remedied the issue. I have bent the short irons in 2 separate sets. Although customer service is great, it’s a major hassle to replace the shafts once a year

 

Wow, I had no idea about this. I was actually thinking about a set of some KBS to bring the ball flight down a little in my i200's.... I think I will look elsewhere if this is a product wide issue.