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I am unfortunately square at impact only slightly cleared left hip and I was the last person to not get into the senior open at your sciota. I had a replacement and you learn to make compensations .

 

Just say no. Hips are supposed to lead the upper body in the sequence, but firing them is not how you want to look at it and it generally doesn't end well.

I don't disagree, but how to you handle a student who has a decent swing but tends to have hips that are square at impact?

 

Square at impact is fine. There are guys at the highest level that are more or less square. Probably more important things to worry about than that

 

Hips Square to the target line at impact??.....show me some.

 

Clearing the hips before impact is critical to a good powerful swing.

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This is what I’ve come to understand as “fire the hips” in my swing. Monte please correct me if I’m wrong in articulating.

 

Working on my pivot with the ideas of getting some flexion in transition (belt-buckle down like Monte has taught me) while getting pressure into my lead heel. Once I get pressure into my lead heel I can push hard iinto the ground (with my lead leg) while I try to rotate my hips as hard as I can. This is what I’ve come to understand as “fire the hips”.

 

This allows me to get a lot of space for my arms, club on plane, solid compression and exiting nice and low-left.

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"Fire the hips" is just an expression that attempts to get the average golfer to activate a part of their body that is currently dead. I hardly ever see an adult amateur with over-active hips.

 

My hips used to be more active than freaking Elvis. Result? My body ended up in a terrible position to hit the golf ball.

 

Once I started working on quieting them (and am STILL working) and fixing other flaws in my swing, I hit it straighter, farther, and with 90% less effort.

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"Fire the hips" is just an expression that attempts to get the average golfer to activate a part of their body that is currently dead. I hardly ever see an adult amateur with over-active hips.

 

I see it every day all day.

 

Then you probably work with younger guys than I do. The crowd I see tends to have spent their lives building up their upper body musculature to the point that they only use their hips and legs to stand up. I can't think of a single guy that suffers from the 'spin out' move that everyone here seems to be afraid of. It's the high school kids with rubber spines that seem to have issues, but I don't work with them.

 

Lots of guys who are square at impact are square because the hips fire too early and then need to stall for the arms to catch up. Some might just look at impact and say their hips are under rotated, so telling them to fire the hips more will only make it worse.

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The worst part about this bit of advice is that it's the simple golf digest tip that everyone wants to believe will make their swing more powerful. As amateurs we love this kind of stuff because it's three words and we don't have to google scary terms that we think are snake oil because we've never heard them.

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The "Fire the hips" thought has definitely caused me issues and is still an issue in my swing. I get disconnected with my arms trailing my hips, hips stall at pretty much square to target and then I flip/dumb my leverage in an effort to make contact and square the face.

 

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I'm sure Monte could explain in better detail

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It seems to me that 'firing the hips' suggests that this motion creates power, eg, speed of hip rotation increases ss, linking back up to shoulder turn speed, etc That seems misleading.

 

What does make sense to me is hip motion and especially getting force into the ground from lead leg creates space for the arms to swing, trail elbow to stay on a good plane, and propels greater speed. So the term 'fire the hips' at least for me created the wrong impression of what is helpful.

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Bought the Sheftic pressure board. Really looking forward to getting it. I've worked pretty much this season on transition and pressure - but frankly the lift the lead leg drill doesn't really work for me and finding a nice little downhill lie is hard to do at a range. Board not only gives the sense of the downhill move to start the swing but helps with posture/balance and sequencing. Saw it on the AMG video on fire the hips that I posted. Mark will get you onto his facebook page where he has further information on how to use the board, clips from lessons with it, etc. He already has a handful of video on his website about it's use.

 

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Bought the Sheftic pressure board. Really looking forward to getting it. I've worked pretty much this season on transition and pressure - but frankly the lift the lead leg drill doesn't really work for me and finding a nice little downhill lie is hard to do at a range. Board not only gives the sense of the downhill move to start the swing but helps with posture/balance and sequencing. Saw it on the AMG video on fire the hips that I posted. Mark will get you onto his facebook page where he has further information on how to use the board, clips from lessons with it, etc. He already has a handful of video on his website about it's use.

 

Maybe A hair off topic but I saw a great Instagram post yesterday by the AMG guys on lateral “slide” and hip rotation in powerful golf swings.

 

3 tour pros data and one long drive pros data side by side. Interesting stuff. Check it out....

 

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Chubbs Petersen preached use of the hips. and not being a damn fool. those are the fundamentals a rock solid game is built upon.

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Cam fires the hips rather nicely...

 

 

 

He has great rotation, no doubt. I love how he sets himself up to pivot hard early in the downswing. But there's a whole heck of a lot more going on there than "fire the hips." If an adult beginner hears "fire the hips" and then executes a swing that even remotely resembles what Cameron Champ does, they will be the first.

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Very open hips at impact is a sign of flexibility and not necessarily correct technique. You can only turn your hips as much as you can dissasociate them from your shoulders. If you don't have the flexibility trying to get hips more open will result in coming over the top because you can't keep your shoulders from spinning out.

 

Even Hogan lost his ability to get his hips significantly open at impact in his senior years. You will find most players who clear their hips a lot are younger athletic players and the ladies who are generally more flexible than males.

 

 

 

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I thought I read either here or on the main site (I think it was Dan Carraher, but I could be wrong), that things like shaft lean and how open your hips are at impact are a result of how fast you're swinging, not the other way around.

 

In other words, people who swing fast have a lot of shaft lean and their hips are wide open because it's needed to accommodate their fast swing. Someone who swings slower doesn't need need as much of these things, and trying to force it would be out of balance with their swing and would likely produce sub-optimal results.

 

The vision that comes to mind for me is chopping down a tree with an axe. If you're taking easy swings, your hips will lead by a little. If you're swinging hard, your hips will be way out in front because it's not really possible to swing fast without doing so.

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I thought I read either here or on the main site (I think it was Dan Carraher, but I could be wrong), that things like shaft lean and how open your hips are at impact are a result of how fast you're swinging, not the other way around.

 

In other words, people who swing fast have a lot of shaft lean and their hips are wide open because it's needed to accommodate their fast swing. Someone who swings slower doesn't need need as much of these things, and trying to force it would be out of balance with their swing and would likely produce sub-optimal results.

 

The vision that comes to mind for me is chopping down a tree with an axe. If you're taking easy swings, your hips will lead by a little. If you're swinging hard, your hips will be way out in front because it's not really possible to swing fast without doing so.

 

I'm not an instructor so I don't know squat to be an authority on the topic. However, I don't know what you would quantify as swinging the club fast but I can get the driver up to 110-112mph going after it and I pretty much have square hips at impact and have lost/dumped shaft lean (yes I have swing flaws that contribute to this). The hips don't just get open & the shaft leaning due from speed alone, proper sequencing and other factors influence it as well.

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I thought I read either here or on the main site (I think it was Dan Carraher, but I could be wrong), that things like shaft lean and how open your hips are at impact are a result of how fast you're swinging, not the other way around.

 

In other words, people who swing fast have a lot of shaft lean and their hips are wide open because it's needed to accommodate their fast swing. Someone who swings slower doesn't need need as much of these things, and trying to force it would be out of balance with their swing and would likely produce sub-optimal results.

 

The vision that comes to mind for me is chopping down a tree with an axe. If you're taking easy swings, your hips will lead by a little. If you're swinging hard, your hips will be way out in front because it's not really possible to swing fast without doing so.

 

Joe Miller is goat humping with completely square hips at impact

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We would look awkward and weak doing a sidearm throw without "clearing the hips".

 

A good human golf swing can have 2 levers - the left arm as the top lever and the right forearm as the lower lever. After transition, with the right forearm external rotated and about perpendicular to the spine while the right elbow affixed to the right hip, "firing the hips" create a force couple powering the lower lever.

 

That is my understanding.

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How open your hips get is a function of many things.

 

COM of club in transition

Face angle

Side bend

Lateral hip movement amount

Flexibility

hand path

 

I could go on.

 

If none of those things matchup for open hips and all you try and do is get hips open....have fun.

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We would look awkward and weak doing a sidearm throw without "clearing the hips".

 

A good human golf swing can have 2 levers - the left arm as the top lever and the right forearm as the lower lever. After transition, with the right forearm external rotated and about perpendicular to the spine while the right elbow affixed to the right hip, "firing the hips" create a force couple powering the lower lever.

 

That is my understanding.

Moe is a poor example of clearing the hips. According to Jim Suttie who was a trusted friend, Moe was totally against open hips at impact. He wanted everything square and facing the ball at impact. He called this square tracking and you can see in slow motion videos of his swing his hips are barely open at impact, certainly much less open than the average pro.

 

The pic you posted is not from a swing of Moe. It is from a demonstration of his "vertical drop and horizontal tug" move.

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Did a video here with some tips I use. In 3D world, if you add right side bend, you will read more open, but you have to get to that point the right way or you're in trouble. Hope this helps!

 

Good video! What gets lost in the swing, and what instructors (for me) don't teach is we need to mimic the "step in" motion we use when throwing a ball or a rock across a pond. It's hard because we can't actually step-in...but that explains why Player would hit and walk forward....continuing the "step-in" move.

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We would look awkward and weak doing a sidearm throw without "clearing the hips".

 

A good human golf swing can have 2 levers - the left arm as the top lever and the right forearm as the lower lever. After transition, with the right forearm external rotated and about perpendicular to the spine while the right elbow affixed to the right hip, "firing the hips" create a force couple powering the lower lever.

 

That is my understanding.

Moe is a poor example of clearing the hips. According to Jim Suttie who was a trusted friend, Moe was totally against open hips at impact. He wanted everything square and facing the ball at impact. He called this square tracking and you can see in slow motion videos of his swing his hips are barely open at impact, certainly much less open than the average pro.

 

The pic you posted is not from a swing of Moe. It is from a demonstration of his "vertical drop and horizontal tug" move.

 

You MUST BE a film editor! Great catch!

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