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Are the equipment companies killing golf?

bkloessbkloess St. Louis, MOMembers Posts: 75 ✭✭✭
With how quickly the large companies churn out new clubs, do you think that the average golfer is fed up with it? Does technology keep advancing that rapidly that club makers have to come out with a product that is that much better than the previous line? Tell me what you think.
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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,705 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it's all in people's heads. If you don't want new clubs, don't buy them. If you have a need to have the newest stuff when even the OEM'S have mostly stopped saying that they are all 10yds longer than the last, that's on the individual not the OEM



    Until they start forcing you at gunpoint to buy things we shouldn't be too upset



    I also don't think cost of equipment is related to our enjoyment of golf any more now than at any point in history
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  • Lefty96Lefty96 Members Posts: 235 ✭✭✭
    No one is obligated to buy new clubs. I think the average golfer knows that as long as they have semi recent clubs, new technology isn't going to change their game tremendously. However, everyone here knows just how fun it is to buy a new set of sticks just to see if the new fit will make a difference for them. I do not think the fact that companies keep offering new products is hurting golf, in fact it is probably helping.
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  • BrianMcGBrianMcG Members Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Kinda how car companies are destroying driving. Everyone is saying "F it, I'm walking to work from now on". LOL
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  • ZigzogZigzog Members Posts: 170 ✭✭
    Is not just golf, look at how often a mobile phone is now replaced by something better. I generally tend to tinker as much as the next guy but have to say I never tend to buy new gear, the second hand market is full of great stuff - probably as a direct result of your original point.
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  • vernonvernon Hi! I'm Holly! Members Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Luckily for the OEM's there's a sucker born every minute. Otherwise they wouldn't be doing it the way they do.



    Unfortunately, I fall heavily on the side of the sucker category although I actually just really, really like new toys!



    You're welcome Mr. OEM.......
  • MixedBagMixedBag Members Posts: 1,491 ✭✭
    Don’t think average golfers even pay attention.
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  • mcs4mcs4 South FloridaMembers Posts: 655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    bkloess wrote:


    With how quickly the large companies churn out new clubs, do you think that the average golfer is fed up with it?




    No. It seems to me that the *average* golfer tends to play the same set of irons for five years or more and doesn't swap anything out more often than every two or three years, with the possible exception of driver or putter for some folks.



    The average WRXer is a different story.
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  • FairwindsgolferFairwindsgolfer Members Posts: 627 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Dec 6, 2018 #9
    MixedBag wrote:


    Don’t think average golfers even pay attention.


    You have a good point regarding the average golfer.

    Granted, there are no statistics that I can cite to support this notion, however I can say that the majority of golfers at my public course stay with the same equipment for long periods of time.

    This includes the majority of low handicappers I know at the club.

    Truth be told, I would love to know which group or groups of golfers most frequently buy new equipment and whether there is a correlation to the number of rounds said golfers play, along with whether they are low mid or high handicappers

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  • bkloessbkloess St. Louis, MOMembers Posts: 75 ✭✭✭
    BrianMcG wrote:


    Kinda how car companies are destroying driving. Everyone is saying "F it, I'm walking to work from now on". LOL
    That isn't a fair statement because 90%+ of the population isn't playing golf
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  • eldog-in-the-hizouseeldog-in-the-hizouse Members Posts: 962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It might be a little worrisome when you think of how a novice might view new equipment as a way to improve their game from buying clubs rather than practicing and improving their skills. A good player can play with anything though. There's also nothing wrong with buying new clubs all the time if that's what you like to do and you can afford it. There's no absolute rule. I see lots of great players switch out clubs like some guys change their socks. Lots of good players keep clubs for a decade or more. The same can be said for higher handicap players. It's supposed to be fun. I started playing tennis with my wife. The pro sold me a new racket two years ago. It has not once occurred to me to buy a new one. I wish I could apply that concept to my golf sometimes...
  • bkloessbkloess St. Louis, MOMembers Posts: 75 ✭✭✭

    MixedBag wrote:


    Don't think average golfers even pay attention.


    You have a good point regarding the average golfer.

    Granted, there are no statistics that I can cite to support this notion, however I can say that the majority of golfers at my public course stay with the same equipment for long periods of time.

    This includes the majority of low handicappers I know at the club.

    Truth be told, I would love to know which group or groups of golfers most frequently buy new equipment and whether there is a correlation to the number of rounds said golfers play, along with whether they are low mid or high handicappers
    I probably should have stated about growing the game with new golfers
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    Ping G30 13 w/ Tour AD-DI 8x
    Ping S55 (3-P) w/ Tour Issue DG x100 +.5
    Ping Tour Gorge 52/56/60 w/ DG TI S400
    Scotty 009/ Scotty FB+ Circle T
    Titleist Pro V1x
  • LifeStoryLifeStory Members Posts: 336 ✭✭✭✭
    it is getting a little absurd at this point, and the marketing is a cringefest for the most part.
  • bkloessbkloess St. Louis, MOMembers Posts: 75 ✭✭✭

    MixedBag wrote:


    Don't think average golfers even pay attention.


    You have a good point regarding the average golfer.

    Granted, there are no statistics that I can cite to support this notion, however I can say that the majority of golfers at my public course stay with the same equipment for long periods of time.

    This includes the majority of low handicappers I know at the club.

    Truth be told, I would love to know which group or groups of golfers most frequently buy new equipment and whether there is a correlation to the number of rounds said golfers play, along with whether they are low mid or high handicappers
    That's why I wanted to see other people's opinions on the subject.
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    Ping G30 13 w/ Tour AD-DI 8x
    Ping S55 (3-P) w/ Tour Issue DG x100 +.5
    Ping Tour Gorge 52/56/60 w/ DG TI S400
    Scotty 009/ Scotty FB+ Circle T
    Titleist Pro V1x
  • bkloessbkloess St. Louis, MOMembers Posts: 75 ✭✭✭
    LifeStory wrote:


    it is getting a little absurd at this point, and the marketing is a cringefest for the most part.
    Very true. I have no problem with new clubs, just not every 4 months, it seems
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    Ping G30 13 w/ Tour AD-DI 8x
    Ping S55 (3-P) w/ Tour Issue DG x100 +.5
    Ping Tour Gorge 52/56/60 w/ DG TI S400
    Scotty 009/ Scotty FB+ Circle T
    Titleist Pro V1x
  • bkloessbkloess St. Louis, MOMembers Posts: 75 ✭✭✭


    It might be a little worrisome when you think of how a novice might view new equipment as a way to improve their game from buying clubs rather than practicing and improving their skills. A good player can play with anything though. There's also nothing wrong with buying new clubs all the time if that's what you like to do and you can afford it. There's no absolute rule. I see lots of great players switch out clubs like some guys change their socks. Lots of good players keep clubs for a decade or more. The same can be said for higher handicap players. It's supposed to be fun. I started playing tennis with my wife. The pro sold me a new racket two years ago. It has not once occurred to me to buy a new one. I wish I could apply that concept to my golf sometimes...
    The problem is that they market it in a way that makes novice golfers believe that the equipment will automatically make them better.


    MixedBag wrote:


    Don't think average golfers even pay attention.


    You have a good point regarding the average golfer.

    Granted, there are no statistics that I can cite to support this notion, however I can say that the majority of golfers at my public course stay with the same equipment for long periods of time.

    This includes the majority of low handicappers I know at the club.

    Truth be told, I would love to know which group or groups of golfers most frequently buy new equipment and whether there is a correlation to the number of rounds said golfers play, along with whether they are low mid or high handicappers
    That would be some awesome stats to know.
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    Ping G30 13 w/ Tour AD-DI 8x
    Ping S55 (3-P) w/ Tour Issue DG x100 +.5
    Ping Tour Gorge 52/56/60 w/ DG TI S400
    Scotty 009/ Scotty FB+ Circle T
    Titleist Pro V1x
  • apex17apex17 Members Posts: 46 ✭✭
    It's not the new clubs every so often, it's the prices that are hurting.



    For the most part, you are not going to buy a better game. The new clubs may help, but lessons would be a better expense for most of golfers.
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  • evansmar004evansmar004 Members Posts: 76
    I also think that people are getting smarter about it though too. Watch any review by credible sources on youtube and you see that technology hasn't changed equipment enough to make a difference in recent time. Mark Crossfield, Rick Shiels, Me and My Golf...any of them show how the club isn't doing anything new. Marketing only and people are learning that.
  • leopoldstotchleopoldstotch Members Posts: 356 ✭✭
    I think one of the great things of these products coming out so frequently is that we as consumers get to see more reviews, more comparisons and more drops in prices.



    I love feeling like I got a great deal on clubs buying them late in the season.



    Who that hurts most is the OEM themselves and the middleman who sells the clubs. Like most sports, you dont' have to spend an absolute fortune to start playing, so the sport can still grow and more people can play.



    Also, the cost of playing at a course and the time associated with it, is what i feel is more of a deterrent to golf than new equipment costs for the average golfer.
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  • theothertwotheothertwo Members Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Dec 6, 2018 #20
    one thing i learned, you can't buy a golf game but that has not stopped me from buying the best and latest, i just wait a year until they are on sale. so technically, i am only a year behind in technology. having said that, i could play my 12 year old bridgestone j33 cbs and woods, 905R driver, vokey 200 wedges and an old ping anser 2 and score the same.
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  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members Posts: 7,825 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Are car companies ruining driving by making new cars every year? So far nope.
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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,705 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    bkloess wrote:

    LifeStory wrote:


    it is getting a little absurd at this point, and the marketing is a cringefest for the most part.
    Very true. I have no problem with new clubs, just not every 4 months, it seems




    Were you guys playing golf 7-8 years ago? The marketing used to be way worse. I find it's actually better now



    And in regards to product cycles, they are more consistent at least and clubs aren't discounted as significantly



    7-8 years ago a driver would come out and the OEM (for the sake of argument, let's call them Coillaway or TaylorMode) would say it's 10 yards longer than the one before it, and 6 months later it would be discounted by 50% and the next one would come out that was again 10yds longer. I think at one point a 3 wood was advertised as up to 30yds longer



    That doesn't happen as much anymore
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  • daleheaddalehead Members Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    If the equipment companies did not churn out new products so often, along with the accompanying promotional campaigns, 90% of the discussions on WRX would dry up.
  • mikpgamikpga www.mikedeitersgolf.com Members Posts: 7,395 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    They are not killing golf...
  • bkloessbkloess St. Louis, MOMembers Posts: 75 ✭✭✭


    I also think that people are getting smarter about it though too. Watch any review by credible sources on youtube and you see that technology hasn't changed equipment enough to make a difference in recent time. Mark Crossfield, Rick Shiels, Me and My Golf...any of them show how the club isn't doing anything new. Marketing only and people are learning that.
    I watch them all the time, but are the new and/or novice golfer watching those guys or watching the ads for these new clubs?
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    Ping G30 13 w/ Tour AD-DI 8x
    Ping S55 (3-P) w/ Tour Issue DG x100 +.5
    Ping Tour Gorge 52/56/60 w/ DG TI S400
    Scotty 009/ Scotty FB+ Circle T
    Titleist Pro V1x
  • bkloessbkloess St. Louis, MOMembers Posts: 75 ✭✭✭


    I think one of the great things of these products coming out so frequently is that we as consumers get to see more reviews, more comparisons and more drops in prices.



    I love feeling like I got a great deal on clubs buying them late in the season.



    Who that hurts most is the OEM themselves and the middleman who sells the clubs. Like most sports, you dont' have to spend an absolute fortune to start playing, so the sport can still grow and more people can play.



    Also, the cost of playing at a course and the time associated with it, is what i feel is more of a deterrent to golf than new equipment costs for the average golfer.
    That's a great point
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    Ping G30 13 w/ Tour AD-DI 8x
    Ping S55 (3-P) w/ Tour Issue DG x100 +.5
    Ping Tour Gorge 52/56/60 w/ DG TI S400
    Scotty 009/ Scotty FB+ Circle T
    Titleist Pro V1x
  • MeanmachinemoeMeanmachinemoe Members Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Dec 6, 2018 #27
    Casual golfers are clueless. Average golfers know but don't care. Hardcore i.e. WRXers look at the Tour/New Pre-release forum multiple times daily hoping to catch a glimpse or even a rumor of what's coming next. Equipment companies are not killing golf.
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  • hybrid25hybrid25 michiganMembers Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    The bottom line is there must be enough people who like upgrading their clubs periodically or companies would not be churning out a new product every year or less. I am the master of myself when it comes to what I purchase and what clubs I play. Do I think it is destroying the game? No. I think it actually makes the game more enjoyable seeing all the different equipment and having the opportunity to purchase it if I so choose. I also think that people put too much hope in the idea that clubs will improve their game exponentially. It takes dedication, lessons, practice, and desire to change your game.
  • DavidvDavidv Members Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is expected for each of these manufacturer's to make improvements to their golf equipment each year. Most of us look forward to the grand announcements at the PGA show. No one is forced to buy the new products but if the big boys want to stay in business they need to be innovative or at least creative in their marketing. Are they killing golf nope they are keeping it alive.
  • vernonvernon Hi! I'm Holly! Members Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Even though I'm a prime offender I personally believe buying new stuff all the time is a relative waste of money.



    I say "relative" because if what you're doing with your expendable money makes you happy then how can it be a waste?



    And buying golf and fishing stuff makes me happy!



    My wife not so much sometimes but that's another topic.........
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