Tech question: Swapping Titleist adapter to Taylormade

[SJP1]

I'm switching out a 915 D4 for a 2016 M2 but plan to move the Rogue shaft over because I like it so much.

 

If I just switch the adpater from a Titleist to a Taylormade, will the shaft still play the same length or will it change?

[Stuart_G]

Playing length (and how that might change) has nothing to do with the adapter - but rather which particular model heads you are comparing.

 

e.g. going from say a RBZ tour to a 910D2 is different from going from a SLDR to a 917D2.

[SJP1]

Playing length (and how that might change) has nothing to do with the adapter - but rather which particular model heads you are comparing.

 

e.g. going from say a RBZ tour to a 910D2 is different from going from a SLDR to a 917D2.

 

Right, that's what I'm getting at.

 

I did state the two heads so if you have the answer, feel free to let me know it.

[Stuart_G]

Sorry. Silly me, I was rushing the answer and did miss that.

 

I've seen mixed reports on the BBGM for the M2 (reports of both 1.75" and 2.0" BBGM). And not seen any data for the D4 - but Titleist heads are typically 1.75" or 1.5" BBGM. So worst case it will play 1/2" shorter in the Titleist head.

 

But if you have both heads (and any shaft for either head), it's easy to figure out yourself.

 

For each head, just measure the playing length then unscrew the head and measure the shaft length. For the TM adapter, take off 3/8" from the shaft length with the adapter to get the actual cut shaft length. BBGM = playing length - cut shaft length (no adapter). For the Titleist adapter, I think it's 1/2" or 5/8" - but I can double check this afternoon (not that 1/8" will make that much of a difference). Then the difference in the BBGM will be the difference in playing length for the same shaft.

[SJP1]

Sorry. Silly me, I was rushing the answer and did miss that.

 

I've seen mixed reports on the BBGM for the M2 (reports of both 1.75" and 2.0" BBGM). And not seen any data for the D4 - but Titleist heads are typically 1.75" or 1.5" BBGM. So worst case it will play 1/2" shorter in the Titleist head.

 

But if you have both heads (and any shaft for either head), it's easy to figure out yourself.

 

For each head, just measure the playing length then unscrew the head and measure the shaft length. For the TM adapter, take off 3/8" from the shaft length with the adapter to get the actual cut shaft length. BBGM = playing length - cut shaft length (no adapter). For the Titleist adapter, I think it's 1/2" or 5/8" - but I can double check this afternoon (not that 1/8" will make that much of a difference). Then the difference in the BBGM will be the difference in playing length for the same shaft.

 

Great info, much appreciated!

[wgmoney]

Anyone know the difference in the BBGM between the Taylormade M4 and Titleist TS3. Thanks

[wgmoney]

Anyone know the difference in the BBGM between the Taylormade M4 and Titleist TS3. Thanks

 

So, I did the math (at least I think I did) and by my calculations the BBGM for the M4 is 1.25 and for the TS3 is 1.5.

If that is correct, does that mean that a shaft of the same length that was played in a M4 driver will play .25 inch longer in a TS3? Thanks!

[Stuart_G]

So, I did the math (at least I think I did) and by my calculations the BBGM for the M4 is 1.25 and for the TS3 is 1.5.

If that is correct, does that mean that a shaft of the same length that was played in a M4 driver will play .25 inch longer in a TS3? Thanks!

 

Yes.

 

Is that for the M4 driver or fairway? If it's the driver, your calcs were probably not correct. TM driver BBGM's are more typically 1.75" but a few have been a full 2" and even 1.5" isn't unreasonable, but 1.25" is a bit too short for a large volume driver. Just realize that BBGM is a measurement from the tip of the shaft, not the tip of the adapter. And the TM adapter extends about 3/8"-1/2" beyond the tip of the shaft. Now if it's the M4 fairway, 1.25" is a fairly common BBGM for TM fairways.

[wgmoney]

So, I did the math (at least I think I did) and by my calculations the BBGM for the M4 is 1.25 and for the TS3 is 1.5.

If that is correct, does that mean that a shaft of the same length that was played in a M4 driver will play .25 inch longer in a TS3? Thanks!

 

Yes.

 

Is that for the M4 driver or fairway? If it's the driver, your calcs were probably not correct. TM driver BBGM's are more typically 1.75" but a few have been a full 2" and even 1.5" isn't unreasonable, but 1.25" is a bit too short for a large volume driver. Just realize that BBGM is a measurement from the tip of the shaft, not the tip of the adapter. And the TM adapter extends about 3/8"-1/2" beyond the tip of the shaft. Now if it's the M4 fairway, 1.25" is a fairly common BBGM for TM fairways.

 

 

Yes, this is what I got for the M4 Driver. But I only subtracted 3/8 from shaft and adapter length, but I did include the grip in the shaft with adapter length. Should the measurement be adapter to butt end of shaft without the grip? Thanks

[Stuart_G]

So, I did the math (at least I think I did) and by my calculations the BBGM for the M4 is 1.25 and for the TS3 is 1.5.

If that is correct, does that mean that a shaft of the same length that was played in a M4 driver will play .25 inch longer in a TS3? Thanks!

 

Yes.

 

Is that for the M4 driver or fairway? If it's the driver, your calcs were probably not correct. TM driver BBGM's are more typically 1.75" but a few have been a full 2" and even 1.5" isn't unreasonable, but 1.25" is a bit too short for a large volume driver. Just realize that BBGM is a measurement from the tip of the shaft, not the tip of the adapter. And the TM adapter extends about 3/8"-1/2" beyond the tip of the shaft. Now if it's the M4 fairway, 1.25" is a fairly common BBGM for TM fairways.

 

 

Yes, this is what I got for the M4 Driver. But I only subtracted 3/8 from shaft and adapter length, but I did include the grip in the shaft with adapter length. Should the measurement be adapter to butt end of shaft without the grip? Thanks

 

Not exactly sure which measurement your asking about. For me the equations are clearer than words - so maybe this will help.

 

BBGM = Playing length - cut shaft length - grip cap size.

 

But when measuring the shaft length you can just combine that with grip cap size if the grip is installed.

 

BBGM = Playing length - (shaft/grip).

 

You just can't include the amount the adapter extends beyond the tip of the shaft.

 

BBGM = Playing length - (adapter/shaft/grip) + adapter.

or

BBGM = Playing length - (adapter/shaft/grip - adapter).

 

depending on which measurement you want to apply the adjustment to for the adapter.

 

If you already did subtract the 3/8" for the adapter and still got 1.25" for a BBGM, then maybe the problem was with the measurement of the playing length?

[lbhitter]

You will also have to deal with aesthetics, if it matters to you. Changing from Titleist to TM adapters, I have found that the scored or prep'ed section of the Titleist shaft extends above the TM adapter ferrule. I usually tip trim the Titleist shafts a ~1/8 - 1/4" to fix this to make it look good.

 

Lots of good information above. Good luck.

 

LB

[JLew]

Bumping this old thread bc I'm going to go in the reverse - shaft playing 45.25" in a TM Stealth Plus into a Titleist Adapter for a TSR3.  Would I be correct in assuming the shaft with either play the same length or possibly .25" longer?

[third-times-a-charm]

51 minutes ago, JLew said:

Bumping this old thread bc I'm going to go in the reverse - shaft playing 45.25" in a TM Stealth Plus into a Titleist Adapter for a TSR3.  Would I be correct in assuming the shaft with either play the same length or possibly .25" longer?

That’s generally the case as adapters are longer than bonded.

[Stuart_G]

6 hours ago, third-times-a-charm said:

That’s generally the case as adapters are longer than bonded.

 

Both TM stealth plus and Titleist TSR3 drivers use adapters.  Neither is bonded.

 

But it's still generally the case because head BBGM doesn't really vary all that much in modern designs.   1.75" and 2.0" are by far the most common values now used.  May run into a rare 1.5" design but those seem to be phasing out of style.

[DrShaftE]

I have noticed that changing shafts from Titleist TS driver to TM Stealth shaft lenght variation is ~1/8 inch = grip butt cap thickness. So from Titleist to TM shaft will be a little shorter. I presume that it work same oposite way from TM to Titleist so shaft will be 1/8 inch longer. I think that is invisible change if you don’t know or measure that, also swing weight change is minimal.