Juniors and coaching

wildcatdenwildcatden China Cat SunflowerMembers Posts: 897 ✭✭
Trying to get a feel for what juniors are doing out there with relation to coach (or instructor or whatever relative term you want to use). I created a large range of ages, but assumed a serious junior golfer would have a coach by age 12 at a minimum so I stopped providing choices after that. Note: All polls have flaws.

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  • wildcatdenwildcatden China Cat Sunflower Members Posts: 897 ✭✭
    leezer99 wrote:


    IMO, once a month under 12 is more than enough. Any more than that and you're messing with their natural athletic ability.




    Yeah, probably about right. Especially true if you don't want to spend more money than if you had saved said money for college instead. But hey, we are talking world championships and big business. ;-)
  • darter79darter79 Members Posts: 701 ✭✭
    I'll give my answer here. My kid takes lessons mainly because I'm trying to get her a solid foundation for when she gets older. I'm not overly concern with her results right now as she just 8. She been taking lessons off and on since she started playing golf. She goes about once every 6 weeks. A bit more in the summer. I can say we had three coaches now the first was trash and only two me two lessons to figure that out. We finally settled on a great teacher that relates and more importantly my daughter loves and looks up to. Her improvement since working with her has been great. Her scoring average dropped over 6 shots per round by working with her but I feel that she is learning proper foundations that will set her up for long term success.
  • wildcatdenwildcatden China Cat Sunflower Members Posts: 897 ✭✭
    edited Dec 3, 2018 #4
    darter79 wrote:


    I'll give my answer here. My kid takes lessons mainly because I'm trying to get her a solid foundation for when she gets older. I'm not overly concern with her results right now as she just 8. She been taking lessons off and on since she started playing golf. She goes about once every 6 weeks. A bit more in the summer. I can say we had three coaches now the first was trash and only two me two lessons to figure that out. We finally settled on a great teacher that relates and more importantly my daughter loves and looks up to. Her improvement since working with her has been great. Her scoring average dropped over 6 shots per round by working with her but I feel that she is learning proper foundations that will set her up for long term success.




    Great information. Yes, my current 7YO (almost 8YO) took lessons with a group/academy and also about 1/2 dozen private 30 minute sessions when he was 6YO. We stopped when I did the math on it. His scores and results have not been as good in tournament play since stopping lessons.
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  • kekoakekoa ClubWRX Posts: 8,927 ClubWRX
    No coach, but actively looking for one.
  • tiger1873tiger1873 Members Posts: 1,067 ✭✭
    You need to have a good foundation the biggest reason I see to have a coach when they are young is to help develop a swing that will not result in injuries.



    I think that is the primary concern once they start to actually develop power and quite honest a coach should be focused on that first. First coach we had didn’t and it not good a good thing when you kid gets a sore back from not swinging correctly.



    A great swing hard on the body is not something you want if you can help it. Everything else has been said already and beaten to death.
  • Pinewood GolferPinewood Golfer Members Posts: 133 ✭✭
    leezer99 wrote:


    IMO, once a month under 12 is more than enough. Any more than that and you're messing with their natural athletic ability.




    Lessons can involve FAR more than swing coaching
  • hangontighthangontight Members Posts: 554 ✭✭
    kekoa wrote:


    No coach, but actively looking for one.




    Me too... sort of. Seems about this time of year (the beginning of his season- he has been off since August) over last few years I have thought more and more about getting a coach involved on a regular basis. Then once the season gets underway and by spring he is back playing very well again I decide to proceed on my own. We've had a lesson here and there over the years with a few guys, but none that really jumped out as a great fit. Still trying to figure out the best time to engage someone and who the best one in our area will be. Following these coaching threads closely for guidance on how / when to proceed.
  • hangontighthangontight Members Posts: 554 ✭✭
    Anyone have to do a bit of traveling outside your city to see the right instructor? I guess if we’re seeing them 2x/6 weeks or so then up to a few hour drive may not be all that bad for the right fit. Been researching teachers a lot lately and finding some folks worth looking at but they are up to 2 hours away.
  • jj9000jj9000 ClubWRX Posts: 2,642 ClubWRX
    2 hours per lesson seems like a lot of windshield time.



    Have you looked into getting a video lesson from Dan or Monte?



    It's not face-to-face, but both of those guys are top notch. They'd likely spot 1-2 problem areas to work on, then you'd clean them up at the range.



    Just another option.
  • hangontighthangontight Members Posts: 554 ✭✭
    jj9000 wrote:


    2 hours per lesson seems like a lot of windshield time.



    Have you looked into getting a video lesson from Dan or Monte?



    It's not face-to-face, but both of those guys are top notch. They'd likely spot 1-2 problem areas to work on, then you'd clean them up at the range.



    Just another option.




    have not. How can I find them. Do you happen to know website? Last names? Thanks.
  • jj9000jj9000 ClubWRX Posts: 2,642 ClubWRX
    edited Dec 7, 2018 #12

    jj9000 wrote:


    2 hours per lesson seems like a lot of windshield time.



    Have you looked into getting a video lesson from Dan or Monte?



    It's not face-to-face, but both of those guys are top notch. They'd likely spot 1-2 problem areas to work on, then you'd clean them up at the range.



    Just another option.




    have not. How can I find them. Do you happen to know website? Last names? Thanks.




    Both Dan and Monte are on this site.



    Dan Carraher / Monte Sheinblum



    Dan spends a good amount of time in the Jr. forum (here). He goes by the handle "iteachgolf".



    Monte spends a good amount of time in the Instruction forum. He goes by the handle "MonteSheinblum".



    Both guys teach, or have taught, PGA Pros, Top Ams, and Top Jr's.



    Shoot either or both a PM, and they'll be able to get you fixed up.
  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,112 ✭✭

    jj9000 wrote:


    2 hours per lesson seems like a lot of windshield time.



    Have you looked into getting a video lesson from Dan or Monte?



    It's not face-to-face, but both of those guys are top notch. They'd likely spot 1-2 problem areas to work on, then you'd clean them up at the range.



    Just another option.




    have not. How can I find them. Do you happen to know website? Last names? Thanks.




    Dan is an awesome resource to have.



    http://dancarrahergolf.com/online-lessons/
  • jj9000jj9000 ClubWRX Posts: 2,642 ClubWRX


    jj9000 wrote:


    2 hours per lesson seems like a lot of windshield time.



    Have you looked into getting a video lesson from Dan or Monte?



    It's not face-to-face, but both of those guys are top notch. They'd likely spot 1-2 problem areas to work on, then you'd clean them up at the range.



    Just another option.




    have not. How can I find them. Do you happen to know website? Last names? Thanks.




    Dan is an awesome resource to have.



    http://dancarrahergo...online-lessons/




    Thanks for including the link.



    ...and I agree...Dan is really good.



    Super laid back...and gets right to the point.
  • darter79darter79 Members Posts: 701 ✭✭
    Anyone have to do a bit of traveling outside your city to see the right instructor? I guess if we’re seeing them 2x/6 weeks or so then up to a few hour drive may not be all that bad for the right fit. Been researching teachers a lot lately and finding some folks worth looking at but they are up to 2 hours away.




    Ours is an hour.depends on if you don’t mind driving or not. I think face to face is how I’d rather do it. I think online lessons it would be beneficial if using those once you have an established relationship.



    I would not start lessons with online only. I think having that relationship is almost as important as their teaching ability
  • Bizzle80Bizzle80 Members Posts: 146 ✭✭
    Moved my 6yo to private lessons as she outgrew group classes. Poor group instructors couldn’t give her help as the other 5-6 kids were club throwing and having trouble making contact.



    I’d rather pay for lessons so I don’t have to try and teach. For one...I don’t know how...and second - I’d rather be fun dad and have her learn the proper fundamentals. Her coach has really upped her game, and you can see the difference quickly with proper instruction. She is already using trackman, video review and speed meters - which she loves. She can see her swing, loves to draw the lines and boxes on the video review and trying to swing a bit faster or farther. All great feedback tools.



    Can’t recommend a good coach enough. Most important for me is I don’t want to ever be that overbearing dad...golf should be a fun activity with me and nothing more for now.
  • yellowlover519yellowlover519 Members Posts: 306 ✭✭
    leezer99 wrote:


    IMO, once a month under 12 is more than enough. Any more than that and you're messing with their natural athletic ability.




    I encourage everyone to listen to the latest on the mark podcast regarding this...



    https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/on-the-mark-golf-podcast/id1096925460?mt=2&i=1000425296854

  • hangontighthangontight Members Posts: 554 ✭✭

    leezer99 wrote:


    IMO, once a month under 12 is more than enough. Any more than that and you're messing with their natural athletic ability.




    I encourage everyone to listen to the latest on the mark podcast regarding this...



    https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/on-the-mark-golf-podcast/id1096925460?mt=2&i=1000425296854




    Good stuff, Thanks for sharing. This makes me scared to death to give my son any instruction though and hyper cautious about who I may let give him help!
  • Sonja HenieSonja Henie Members Posts: 148 ✭✭
    edited Dec 19, 2018 #19
    Just started my 12 year old with lessons, which will be infrequent. Until now he's played only casually with no technical input from me. I have another offspring playing D1 sports (not golf) with whom I took the same approach.

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  • BaitkillerBaitkiller Members Posts: 1,718 ✭✭
    edited Dec 19, 2018 #20
    2019 plan following a year off tournament golf.

    Start both kids (13 / 15) with once a week for 4 weeks followed by once a month varied by need and coaches suggestions. Trying a new coach, he is young, energetic and hits it further than I can point. He is the head pro at the goat track we call home. I like that the first thing he did when he met the kids was to ask them what they wanted out of the coaching. This was to measure their desire. Never had an instructor ask them (or me) anything like that.
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