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Not matter how shite manu are at the moment, this weekends game will be a cagey affair

 

Utd to play act, waste time, park the bus and hope for a swallow dive in our box on Sunday

 

All the hallmarks of a typical Maureen setup and win

 

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Haven't won in 9 games.... But you will on sunday! Diving?? A team with sturridge, even chomps in his book wrote how bad he's at diving

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Still think City have a better squad tbf

Klopp is doing an outstanding job, even though he’s won nothing. All I want atm is the club to be executing well laid out plans.

 

We aren’t buying complete shite anymore and we are waiting till the player comes available or agreeing a huge fee for the right one

 

For example, mane Firmino and salah cost the same as lukaku. That’s great business

 

Unfortunately you’ve slipped into buying with no plan. Football always goes full circle.

 

I told you he’d destroy the club from inside. Charlton knew it and wanted him nowhere near your club. Gill and Ferguson, you can’t replace that, just like us replacing a long lost of bootroom boys after dalglish

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Still think City have a better squad tbf

Klopp is doing an outstanding job, even though he’s won nothing. All I want atm is the club to be executing well laid out plans.

 

We aren’t buying complete shite anymore and we are waiting till the player comes available or agreeing a huge fee for the right one

 

For example, mane Firmino and salah cost the same as lukaku. That’s great business

 

Unfortunately you’ve slipped into buying with no plan. Football always goes full circle.

 

I told you he’d destroy the club from inside. Charlton knew it and wanted him nowhere near your club. Gill and Ferguson, you can’t replace that, just like us replacing a long lost of bootroom boys after dalglish

Spot on, amazed how both clubs have mirrored each other. Going to take years to rebuild. In hind sight, lvg should have done his last year and tried everything to get poch.... Oh well, dreadful season but Xmas do on Saturday and I'll be utterly hammered by the time United are on at 5.30,so I won't even remember what dog poo Jose served up

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Not a bad week, Spurs pulled a miracle in the Champions League and got 3 points in dodgy conditions at the death. Now if Roma would wake the f*** up...

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Great article here

 

Ken Early: Mourinho is the manager Manchester United deserve

 

about 10 hours ago

Nine months have passed since Sevilla knocked Manchester United out of the Champions League, when the Spanish club’s Danish defender Simon Kjaer gave the most perceptive and withering assessment of what José Mourinho’s team were all about: “We knew that with Fellaini and Lukaku they will always have chances from . . . how do you say that in English . . . coincidences.”

 

Coincidence football – kick and rush, hit and hope, close your eyes and pray. There was a period at Anfield last night when it looked as though the football of coincidences might get United through. It doesn’t always matter if the other team is dominating the match – there’s always a chance their keeper might drop one on your striker’s foot.

 

But it usually matters. As one of those old American sportswriters used to say, the race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but that’s the way to bet. When one team has 36 attempts on goal and the other only six, there’s more chance of the first team benefiting from a couple of lucky deflections.

 

When Mourinho was asked afterwards on Sky if his players were still playing for him, he tried to turn it into a word game. “What is that? Play for me? Are you calling the players dishonest?”

 

According to this latest Mourinho rhetoric, the honest player gives 100 per cent every time they take the field while only the dishonest player gives less, regardless of who happens to be standing in the dugout. If that is true you have to wonder how managers like Mourinho can get clubs to pay them £15 million a year. You can tell he must be pretty desperate if he’s had to resort to such a manager-minimising line of argument.

 

But of course, his talk about honest and dishonest players should not be taken as a sincere pronouncement about how football works. It’s a tactical device meant to create confusion and divert attention away from himself. It’s not that Manchester United’s players didn’t try: in a game like that every player is trying. It’s that, as usual under Mourinho, they went out with no real idea of how they were going to win the game.

 

Terror of losing

 

The key to understanding Mourinho is that there is no other top manager who has such a terror of losing. The terror conditions his approach to every big match, and means that this approach will always be risk-averse and safety-first. If his team wins on a coincidence then so much the better, but if the coincidences don’t go their way that’s okay as long as they do not lose.

 

The terror might seem like an unusual psychological quirk, until you realise that it is the logical culmination of an ultra-cynical approach to the game that focuses only on the result at the expense of everything else. The terror is where you end up when you regard the performance – that is, the actual football – as something that could interest only the “Einsteins”, the “poets”, and other such dreamers and frauds.

 

In Mourinho’s view, it does not really matter whether his players play “well” or “badly”, whether they create 36 chances or six. What matters is what is written on the scoreboard at the end of the game. If the scoreboard says that Mourinho has won, then he gets to shush the camera, trash some water-bottles, troll the critics. If the scoreboard says that Mourinho has won even though certain statistics suggest the other team perhaps had the better of the game, then so much the better, as he gets to troll the statisticians as well. As long as the scoreboard says Mourinho has won, all is well in his world – until he wakes up on the next matchday and has to worry about losing again.

 

But while Mourinho is only thinking about the scoreboard, the players also have to think about how to get through the 90 minutes of the match, and here they get very little help from Mourinho.

 

He has been at Manchester United for two-and-a-half years and there is still no sign of a football identity – of the kind that rivals such as Jurgen Klopp, Pep Guardiola, Mauricio Pochettino and Maurizio Sarri had managed to imprint on their teams within at most a few months of their arrival. These managers do tactics, Mourinho specialises in drama.

 

At Chelsea they argue over whether Hazard should play up front or out wide, at Liverpool they squabble over which combination offers the best balance in midfield. At United the argument always seems to be about which player just got thrown under the bus, and whether they deserved it or not. The fact that a significant section of the Manchester United crowd seems to have turned on their best player, Paul Pogba, is a sad testament to how effective Mourinho’s dramatic distractions can be.

 

Results-only approach

 

The worst thing about this mess from Manchester United’s point of view is that, right now, Mourinho is exactly the manager they deserve. His results-only approach is mirrored in the boardroom, where the leading director, Ed Woodward, is also judged on outcomes and not processes. Woodward’s employers don’t ask: “Is the club doing better this year than last year?” They ask: “Did we make more money this year than we did last year?” As long as the answer to this second question is yes, then Woodward has nothing to worry about.

 

The big threat to the bottom line at United is failure to qualify for the Champions League – not just because they lose out on participation money, but also because their big sponsorship contracts pay less if they don’t qualify. Right now it looks like the only feasible way back into next year’s Champions League is to win it this year, and that does not look likely.

 

The heat is therefore on Woodward, but at the moment Mourinho has one thing still going for him. The main reason why Louis van Gaal – a process-focused manager – lost his job immediately after winning the FA Cup was that Mourinho the superstar was available to replace him.

 

Currently there is no obvious candidate to replace Mourinho – and remember, the candidate has to be very obvious for outcomes-focused directors like Woodward to notice them. This is not a board that is about to take a risk on a lesser-known coach simply because their team plays great football: United’s directors are blind to things like that.

 

They could perhaps give Michael Carrick the job on a caretaker basis, in the vague hope of unearthing a home-grown Guardiola – but they lack the football insight to form a credible judgment of Carrick’s potential. Hiring him would be a shot in the dark. What they want more than anything is a big box-office name, preferably one big enough for a couple of directors to hide behind.

 

But right now all the managerial superstars are spoken for, so the loveless embrace with Mourinho could go on for a while yet.

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José gone. My hope is caretaker manager till summer and then Zizou or Poch.

Heard blanc is favorite to come in as soon as the next few weeks.... But this of course can all change very quickly! Just working in town and everyone is talking about it, and the cheers at about 10 this morning when everyone heard was fantastic!

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Miles behind, you're on a wind up, last season you finished 6th. You've been s*** since Fergie left and you're now part of the chasing pack. You won't win the league under Jose. Actually I'll have a bet with you now, whoever loses donates to the other persons charity of choice.

 

You're in denial, we know where we are, and I'll take us over you going forward any day of the week. What we had is never coming back, same with you lot.

 

You lost to Sevilla with s*** on a stick football, same with Brighton and same with Chelsea. Your manager sets his team up not to lose and the in breeds are loving it, modern football has past him by and deep down you know it. Celebrating second like he did, it's the Evertonisation of you. Glad you're happy with that and good luck.

 

We are now your cup final, just like we are for Everton, that's where you are. You are us back in the early 90's - no identity and spending huge amounts on players looking for a payday.

 

Unfortunately we are still paying for Moores selling to H&G, but there is light at the end of the tunnel. United celebrating our loss shows this. Me, I wasn't even bothered that you lost the FA Cup final, didn't celebrate - just smiled knowing Jose would come out with "we need another billion dollars to park more buses" statement.

 

Anyway on to next year ;)

 

Scruffy, A nice donation to the homeless in Manchester would be appreciated ?

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Still hasn’t dawned on you yet ?

Been at the club 2 seasons, won 2 trophies when in truth alot of work to be done. Yet the scousers have the greatest manager of all time, finished miles behind United and have won one trophy in 12 plus years....and it's nearly 30 years since they actually won want they all crave. Has it dawned on you that pool are utterly miles off winning the title, simply haven't the finance the create a squad. Jose is Jose but will most probably win a title at United... Always does wherever he is

 

Ain’t winning one now ?

Denial mate ?

Next appointment will either set you back years or define your immediate future.

 

You’ll be spending $300m plus for identity. Or maybe you have the players that need to be coached. That wasn’t Maureen

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José gone. My hope is caretaker manager till summer and then Zizou or Poch.

 

Poch isn't going anywhere within the league. Not sure Zizou could handle the EPL, he could barely handle La Liga, despite the Champions League triumph.

 

The logical replacement for me is Diego Simeone, United needs a hard man as manager to right the ship. Conte would be a good pick up, not ideal, but a decent short-term choice. Jupp could handle the job, but not sure you could convince him to leave retirement and Germany.

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Miles behind, you're on a wind up, last season you finished 6th. You've been s*** since Fergie left and you're now part of the chasing pack. You won't win the league under Jose. Actually I'll have a bet with you now, whoever loses donates to the other persons charity of choice.

 

You're in denial, we know where we are, and I'll take us over you going forward any day of the week. What we had is never coming back, same with you lot.

 

You lost to Sevilla with s*** on a stick football, same with Brighton and same with Chelsea. Your manager sets his team up not to lose and the in breeds are loving it, modern football has past him by and deep down you know it. Celebrating second like he did, it's the Evertonisation of you. Glad you're happy with that and good luck.

 

We are now your cup final, just like we are for Everton, that's where you are. You are us back in the early 90's - no identity and spending huge amounts on players looking for a payday.

 

Unfortunately we are still paying for Moores selling to H&G, but there is light at the end of the tunnel. United celebrating our loss shows this. Me, I wasn't even bothered that you lost the FA Cup final, didn't celebrate - just smiled knowing Jose would come out with "we need another billion dollars to park more buses" statement.

 

Anyway on to next year ;)

 

Scruffy, A nice donation to the homeless in Manchester would be appreciated ?

Already do

 

Still hasn’t dawned on you yet ?

Been at the club 2 seasons, won 2 trophies when in truth alot of work to be done. Yet the scousers have the greatest manager of all time, finished miles behind United and have won one trophy in 12 plus years....and it's nearly 30 years since they actually won want they all crave. Has it dawned on you that pool are utterly miles off winning the title, simply haven't the finance the create a squad. Jose is Jose but will most probably win a title at United... Always does wherever he is

 

Ain’t winning one now ?

Denial mate ?

Next appointment will either set you back years or define your immediate future.

 

You’ll be spending $300m plus for identity. Or maybe you have the players that need to be coached. That wasn’t Maureen

Don't care

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Yeah you do

Come on we’ve had it for 30years, man up ?

I actually do, through work and the fact many are ex military so it's a big thing. Just had a really bad day and I really can't be arsed... Try tomorrow

 

You’ve mixed the 2 up by mistake. Never would I imply that you don’t give to charity

Aye my mistake, just not with it this evening. Need a sleep, work my last day til after Xmas then some alcohol watching the North London Derby and ill be OK...United might have a new manager by then

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Does anyone have any boxing day traditions in here?

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I know it’s only been two games but I’m really excited with how we’ve played. Great to see the players looking like they’re enjoying themselves for a change. Really looking forward to seeing what ole can accomplish the rest of the season

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Spurs waking up just in time to be the excuse why we add no new players to the squad in January.

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Posted just in time. Tired legs and only 1 substitution, what could go wrong Poch...

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