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Is DTF still a thing even? I'm like the forum old guy I feel.

 

You bet your a**. Pouring rain with TSA slowdowns, this is like the worst day to fly. Wife will have a martini waiting when I get home.

 

Was she dressed only in saran wrap?

 

Today is my last day at NLM, so, you bet you *** DTF is happening!

 

non-GTF: What is THDC's next job and where?

If my wife was a doctor, my next job would be packing the kids lunch, playing 18 holes, self yum yum, and having dinner ready when she got home from the office.

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Check out the golf simulator install this guy did. . .

 

https://imgur.com/a/ogQnFNT

 

This is his reddit thread. . .

 

https://www.reddit.c...t_construction/

 

That's INCREDIBLE!

 

I'll ask it here because I ask NoLayingUp the same thing all the time on Twitter for the mailbag stuff...

 

Is Jordan Spieth still relevant?

By the way, this is an interesting question. I don't have an answer. What he does this year. . .either "get over it" or "wow, this is still bad" is going to go a long way to answering that.

 

I'd almost like to see him just say "screw it" about his putting. Forget about his issues at all. Accept he's going to miss some, and see if his ball striking gets back to where it was.

 

But who knows.

 

So are you saying he might be irrelevant? Because I kind of am.

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Check out the golf simulator install this guy did. . .

 

https://imgur.com/a/ogQnFNT

 

This is his reddit thread. . .

 

https://www.reddit.c...t_construction/

 

That's INCREDIBLE!

 

I'll ask it here because I ask NoLayingUp the same thing all the time on Twitter for the mailbag stuff...

 

Is Jordan Spieth still relevant?

By the way, this is an interesting question. I don't have an answer. What he does this year. . .either "get over it" or "wow, this is still bad" is going to go a long way to answering that.

 

I'd almost like to see him just say "screw it" about his putting. Forget about his issues at all. Accept he's going to miss some, and see if his ball striking gets back to where it was.

 

But who knows.

 

So are you saying he might be irrelevant? Because I kind of am.

Do you mean irrelevant on the tour or in our hearts?

 

He might be irrelevant in terms of the tour. Might. I don't like making long term predictions like that.

 

Couple years ago, PQ was so convinced Spieth was done, he bet anyone in the thread 20 bucks Spieth would never win a major again.

 

Fabb took him up on it.

 

I think Spieth won the very next major after that (The British Open).

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For a down year, he won almost $3M in 23 events.

 

If he plays his minimum of 25 events this year, he will absolutely win again.

 

The window is open for anyone that wants to bet against him.

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What Eagle doesn't realize, is that we are not playing golf. Its a fight. You sure you want Fabb on your team?

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Speaking of Spieth, this is an article at golf magazine that is about Jordan's issue with short putts.

 

https://www.golf.com/instruction/2019/01/11/jordan-spieth-short-putts-stats-yips-video

 

(the 45 second video doesn't add anything to the article. Just read the article.)

 

He claims that Jordan has a lot of movement and relaxation in his longer putts, but freezes over shorter stuff and that he's better at short stuff when he has some movement in his set up.

 

I don't know if it's really the solution. Everyone always has ideas about how so and so should fix such and such.

 

But it does speak to me. I was just talking with Fabb the other day that I get a different feeling over the putt when I feel like it's one that I "should make". Like I'm comfortable and smooth over 8/10/12 footers and I just want to roll them, but when I get over those 3/4 footers, I feel like I need to pick an exact line and hit it an exact speed and that's not helpful.

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2018:

OTT: 50th

ATG: 33rd

ArTG: 49th

Putt: 123rd

Overall: 32nd

 

2017:

OTT: 53rd

ATG: 1st

ArTG: 12th

Putt: 39th

Overall: 1st

 

2016:

OTT: 29th

ATG: 88th

ArTG: 24th

Putt: 2nd

Overall: 5th

 

2015:

OTT: 15th

ATG: 11th

ArTG: 7th

Putt: 9th

Overall: 2nd

 

The statistical profile matches what it has "seemed" like. He was really really good in 2015. Then he fell off a little bit but putted lights out. 2016 didn't feel as sustainable as 2015 did. Then the next year his iron play was super strong, but the other parts of his game weren't as good. His game in 2017 didn't feel as sustainable as 2015. Then last year every part of his game was down.

 

So is he the guy in 2015 who was really good at everything?

The guy in 2016 who never missed a putt?

The guy in 2017 who was the best iron player on tour?

 

Perhaps it's the lack of distance subconsciously minimizing my opinion of him but for a guy who in three years was 2nd, 5th, and 1st in overall strokes gained his game has always had a slightly fluky feel to it. I have absolutely no idea what to make of it and cannot justify a strong opinion about his play improving or falling off further.

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2018:

OTT: 50th

ATG: 33rd

ArTG: 49th

Putt: 123rd

Overall: 32nd

 

2017:

OTT: 53rd

ATG: 1st

ArTG: 12th

Putt: 39th

Overall: 1st

 

2016:

OTT: 29th

ATG: 88th

ArTG: 24th

Putt: 2nd

Overall: 5th

 

2015:

OTT: 15th

ATG: 11th

ArTG: 7th

Putt: 9th

Overall: 2nd

 

The statistical profile matches what it has "seemed" like. He was really really good in 2015. Then he fell off a little bit but putted lights out. 2016 didn't feel as sustainable as 2015 did. Then the next year his iron play was super strong, but the other parts of his game weren't as good. His game in 2017 didn't feel as sustainable as 2015. Then last year every part of his game was down.

 

So is he the guy in 2015 who was really good at everything?

The guy in 2016 who never missed a putt?

The guy in 2017 who was the best iron player on tour?

 

Perhaps it's the lack of distance subconsciously minimizing my opinion of him but for a guy who in three years was 2nd, 5th, and 1st in overall strokes gained his game has always had a slightly fluky feel to it. I have absolutely no idea what to make of it and cannot justify a strong opinion about his play improving or falling off further.

 

Thank you for articulating exactly what I was lazily referring to with my original question.

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Putting is unique in that it has the ability to bring your whole game down, both physically and mentally. If you don't think you can get the ball in the whole, no matter how well you strike it with the rest of your game, it can really wear you down and make you question everything. Knowing, or at least believing, that you have an excellent chance of making everything you look really frees up the rest of your game. Vice versa, knowing that you need to be within 3 feet to have a solid chance can really grind you down. You start to think that no matter how well I hit it, I still can't get it down.

 

I guess what I am trying to say is that you can have a bad driving day or ballstriking, but if you are a great putter than you will always have that chance and belief that you can salvage something. But take away one's strength and confidence, and you start to wonder what you have left to rely on when the game goes south.

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As for Spieth, I think part of it is that those two years of amazing putting have become unrealistic pressure. It's almost like he might be holding himself to that expectation of putting like that all the time, which I remember saying back then isn't possible. Honestly, I think he needs to accept that those levels were anomalies, and his baseline will be above average and accept the misses for now.

 

I think that is the only way he gets back to winning anything. Grind it out and learn to accept the misses for what they are. The best strokes he can make.

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Not Spieth Talk: I just bought a very cheap Rapture Titanium 3 wood. Anyone ever hit that thing? I know it dates back to when the site began basically, but I liked the idea of a tee only deep face titanium 3 wood. That’s what I think I bought, or at least hope I did.

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Doesn’t sand based drain better? The DMV area could use a lot more courses like that!

yeah, but you can't just lay sand on top of clay. When you're on a sandy course, it's sandy all the way down (not an agronomist).

 

In terms of a parkland course, my BIL's course up near Philly is the sandiest I've ever seen. I don't know why or how. it's not really near water or anything. But, when you take a divot, your club face looks more like you hit a bunker shot than you took a clump of sod. You still peel up a strip, but it's not as tightly structured. You get really tight lies there, but you can get away with a hair fat because the soil doesn't have as much resistance. If you make ball-first contact, it's a pleasure.

 

Sandy soil does make for better draining, better "feeling" courses, IMO. Bandon's the only really sandy place I've played.

 

I think you can. I think it is called "sandcapping."

 

I think you need a minimum of 4 to 6 inches for it to be legit (also not an agronomist, but I AM a know-it-all)

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Putting is unique in that it has the ability to bring your whole game down, both physically and mentally. If you don't think you can get the ball in the whole, no matter how well you strike it with the rest of your game, it can really wear you down and make you question everything. Knowing, or at least believing, that you have an excellent chance of making everything you look really frees up the rest of your game. Vice versa, knowing that you need to be within 3 feet to have a solid chance can really grind you down. You start to think that no matter how well I hit it, I still can't get it down.

 

I guess what I am trying to say is that you can have a bad driving day or ballstriking, but if you are a great putter than you will always have that chance and belief that you can salvage something. But take away one's strength and confidence, and you start to wonder what you have left to rely on when the game goes south.

 

Amen. I have written words like yours many times in the past to people who do not understand and/or who have never experienced the yips.

 

 

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Q. for the guys who are reading a lot of golf architecture stuff or listening to podcasts. Lets say you read a *really* long, opinion based article with tons of uberwoke opinions about how a particular course is being "ruined" by technology. And that most players that play it seem to still love the course even though they probably arent smart enough to appreciate the course's architectural features < authors opinion tinged with my sarcasm.

 

Does your opinion of the article change if 3/4 of the way through it the author reveals that not only has he never played there but he's never even been there? Its essentially an "on paper" exercise - although he is perfectly happy running down people who dont agree with his very long winded opinions?

 

I've been slowly chopping all the golf architecture stuff off my podcast list for various reasons. i think mostly bc I can just enjoy playing certain courses without having to get into the weeds about crap like this. But this article really sort of brought home to me why I am perfectly happy tapping out on this sort of thing altogether.

 

well i'm not the post's target audience but i tapped out of this stuff about 4 minutes into a NLU podcast when Tron and Soly agreed that good golf courses could only be built on sandy soil. Soly said that again on the pod with Brandel and Brandel was like "that's absurd. most golf courses in the US aren't built on sandy soil and you can still enjoy the game playing those courses".

 

so can you post the article or just allow me to guess the course? augusta?

 

I'm fine with people disagreeing with things that are said on the podcast. That's what it's there for. But this representation of what was actually said on the podcast borders on parody. Never in my life have I ever said that good golf courses can only be built on sandy soil. I honestly have no clue what Tron conversation you're referring to, but that's also not at all what the conversation was like with Brandel. If you're going to disagree with something, the minimum hurdle you need to clear is to at least accurately represent what the other person is saying.

 

Even if you got the actual quotes right, the next step would be to consider the context of the conversation.

 

Episode 255 Scotland recap:

Soly "I want to hear your overarching takeaway from spending a week playing golf in scotland"

Tron "it ruined golf for me"

Soly "how so"

Tron "ahhhh. i do not want to play golf in the united states anymore"

Soly "what made it so great"

Tron "ahh. maybe more this year than others years the turf conditions were insanely good and exceptional firm and burned out"

 

these guys were expressing course architecture discussion/breakdown/snobbery fatigue and NLU wades into those waters. You've expressed that playing shots on the ground is more fun and that playing shots in the air is boring. You discussed the superiority of sandy soil for courses in the podcast with the austrailan course designer. i forget his name. It came up in the Brandel pod. His response to you is exactly what i'm thinking when i'm listening. My context is that i'm a guy in maryland playing two courses where we broke records for rainfall in a year. they were at best chronically soaked and at worst under water. Even if you reasonably do prefer courses where you can play on the ground and courses built on sandy soil it has felt like you guys were missing the fact that a massive % of your US audience does not, and will not, play those type of courses. I played last saturday and every ball in the fairway backed up and everything is a mud ball. it's still fun.

 

i'm not NLU hater either. just the opposite. I listen to most of the podcasts. I'm excited to see your upcoming version of wide world of golf thing. I watched and enjoyed strapped, etc.

 

This is at least closer, but again, context is key. We're prone to hyperbole, and of course Tron doesn't mean that he doesn't want to play golf in the US. We play the same soggy courses down in Florida as you guys do in Maryland (different grass types, but not anywhere close to firm and fast at some of the best places I've played). And no one said that good golf courses can only be built on sandy soil.

 

But it is eye opening how much more fun golf is on these types of soils. Tron had played golf his whole life, loved it, and had never played the type of golf that were lucky enough to play this summer. And it was eye opening to him how enjoyable that was. I've shared my thoughts on Scotland golf on the podcast many times before, and wanted to open it up to the rest of the group to describe their experience.

 

It's simply a fact that sandy soil provides the best opportunity for firm and fast conditions, and the courses that are designed around these types of conditions are the most enjoyable courses I've ever encountered. Which is a far cry from "good golf courses can only be built on sandy soil." If that was the case, there would only be golf courses on the coasts.

 

But playing those types of courses really does make it hard to come back home and play the aerial game all over again, (which is where we play about 98% of our annual rounds).

 

I played 10 rounds of golf in 12 days in Scotland and Ireland three summers ago. I, too, will never define a great golf course the same as I used to before going there....

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Didn't he make changes after 2015 to try and get some more yardage? And he ended up worse off in SG OTT. Ouch.

 

 

I do believe he'll win again, including a major, or majors. I think he's more likely to complete the career slam than Rory at this point.

what makes you think he'll win again?

 

Not arguing. Just wondering, because I'm totally on the fence. Maybe he snaps back into winning form. Maybe THAT was the anomoly and he fades away, or wins at the rate of, say, rickie fowler, which I would consider a disappointment.

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Putting is unique in that it has the ability to bring your whole game down, both physically and mentally. If you don't think you can get the ball in the whole, no matter how well you strike it with the rest of your game, it can really wear you down and make you question everything. Knowing, or at least believing, that you have an excellent chance of making everything you look really frees up the rest of your game. Vice versa, knowing that you need to be within 3 feet to have a solid chance can really grind you down. You start to think that no matter how well I hit it, I still can't get it down.

 

I guess what I am trying to say is that you can have a bad driving day or ballstriking, but if you are a great putter than you will always have that chance and belief that you can salvage something. But take away one's strength and confidence, and you start to wonder what you have left to rely on when the game goes south.

 

Amen. I have written words like yours many times in the past to people who do not understand and/or who have never experienced the yips.

 

I didn't want to say it was personal experience, but I was speaking from the heart. I've never putted like Speith when he was on, but I was pretty good at one point. The last few years, especially in tournament play, I have had the tips. I'd rather have a 25 footer than a 3 footer just because I could tell myself I was supposed to make the 25 footer. You feel like the rest of your game is worthless befuddled you could hit 18 greens within 10 feet Everytime and still shoot over par. Great ballstriking becones irrelevant

 

Happy to say I think I've fought through it and finding some confidence. But it was mentally the weakest and most frustrated I've ever been. I can relate to him being on the edge of breaking down. You either grind through them or just accept them

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Polishing off this dumb bottle of Evan Williams Single Barrell tonight. Gonna give my guy at the packy some serious side-eye next time he makes a recommendation.

 

Happy DTF my Bros.

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Didn't he make changes after 2015 to try and get some more yardage? And he ended up worse off in SG OTT. Ouch.

 

 

I do believe he'll win again, including a major, or majors. I think he's more likely to complete the career slam than Rory at this point.

what makes you think he'll win again?

 

Not arguing. Just wondering, because I'm totally on the fence. Maybe he snaps back into winning form. Maybe THAT was the anomoly and he fades away, or wins at the rate of, say, rickie fowler, which I would consider a disappointment.

 

I feel it in my loins.

 

He's a gamer. He's won on the biggest stages. He has been a pretty elite ball striker. I think he really, really wants to get back to the top of the game.

 

It just feels like there's no way he's done.

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Polishing off this dumb bottle of Evan Williams Single Barrell tonight. Gonna give my guy at the packy some serious side-eye next time he makes a recommendation.

 

Happy DTF my Bros.

 

You don't like it??

 

I think EWSB is one of the best Bourbons for the money.

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He said it's just like the Four Roses Single Barrel.

 

In my opinion, it pales in comparison.

 

Price difference is $10. I'd happily pay that. I think there's a reason why the FRSB was sold out and the EWSB was on sale for $22.99 (with a ton on the shelf).

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For the podcasters, I have a rec if you like ultra long episodes. Dan Carlin's Hardcore History.

 

I'm on the second one of his five part WW1 series.

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I haven't had the EWSB but it gets good reviews. I'm sure I'll try it at some point as it's right in my wheelhouse for price.

 

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      Chesson Hadley - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Callum McNeill - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Rhein Gibson - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Patrick Fishburn - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Peter Malnati - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Raul Pereda - WITB - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Gary Woodland WITB (New driver, iron shafts) – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Padraig Harrington WITB – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Tom Hoge's custom Cameron - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Piretti putters - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Ping putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Kevin Dougherty's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Bettinardi putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Cameron putter - 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Erik Barnes testing an all-black Axis1 putter – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
      Tony Finau's new driver shaft – 2024 Texas Children's Houston Open
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Valspar Championship WITB Photos (Thanks to bvmagic)- Discussion & Links to Photos
      This weeks WITB Pics are from member bvmagic (Brian). Brian's first event for WRX was in 2008 at Bayhill while in college. Thanks so much bv.
       
      Please put your comments or question on this thread. Links to all the threads are below...
       
       
       
       
      • 31 replies
    • 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Monday #3
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Matt (LFG) Every - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Sahith Theegala - WITB - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Cameron putters (and new "LD" grip) - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Bettinardi MB & CB irons - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Bettinardi API putter cover - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      Custom Swag API covers - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
      New Golf Pride Reverse Taper grips - 2024 Arnold Palmer Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
      • 15 replies
    • 2024 Cognizant Classic - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #1
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #2
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #3
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #4
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Brandt Snedeker - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Max Greyserman - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Eric Cole - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Carl Yuan - WITb - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Russell Henley - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Justin Sun - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alex Noren - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Shane Lowry - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Taylor Montgomery - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jake Knapp (KnappTime_ltd) - WITB - - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Super Stoke Pistol Lock 1.0 & 2.0 grips - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      LA Golf new insert putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Garsen Quad Tour 15 grip - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Swag covers - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jacob Bridgeman's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Bud Cauley's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Ryo Hisatsune's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Chris Kirk - new black Callaway Apex CB irons and a few Odyssey putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alejandro Tosti's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #3
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      • 22 replies

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