Interesting development - $3000 pay to caddy from a $1.3 million winners check? (MOD EDIT - NO POLIT

[MtlJeff]

Why is it anyone's concerm what an independent contractor paid a short term employee who presumably agreed to the wage anyway?

 

Sounds like Kuchar is a great negotiator.

 

That's why Canada is in the top 10 around the world in economic freedom of the economy!

 

I can only speak for myself, our elected officials might have different views than me. Canada might not be like the US, where everyone agrees on policies

 

:)

[Creedo77]

Good luck, Creedo77!

 

Thanks!

[BMC]

Can’t believe how tired I am of Twitter rumors and big mouths who don’t have the backbone, or anything else, to name names. Call someone out by name or shut up. Having been a 12 year old girl at one point, I can tell you it had a lot in common with Twitter.

 

Thank you for articulating what I was thinking. Not having been a 12 year old girl, I couldn't bring my experience into the discussion.

 

Twitter is so High School.

 

Even if Kuchar did pay the 3k, so what. He's a local. Didn't have to travel. No expenses. He just carried the bag. Probably less work than a normal resort guest loop.

[Holy Moses]

Can’t believe how tired I am of Twitter rumors and big mouths who don’t have the backbone, or anything else, to name names. Call someone out by name or shut up. Having been a 12 year old girl at one point, I can tell you it had a lot in common with Twitter.

 

Thank you for articulating what I was thinking. Not having been a 12 year old girl, I couldn't bring my experience into the discussion.

 

Twitter is so High School.

 

Even if Kuchar did pay the 3k, so what. He's a local. Didn't have to travel. No expenses. He just carried the bag. Probably less work than a normal resort guest loop.

 

Kuchar had praised his caddie for giving him a lot of local knowledge. Can’t have it both ways.

[BMC]

Can't believe how tired I am of Twitter rumors and big mouths who don't have the backbone, or anything else, to name names. Call someone out by name or shut up. Having been a 12 year old girl at one point, I can tell you it had a lot in common with Twitter.

 

Thank you for articulating what I was thinking. Not having been a 12 year old girl, I couldn't bring my experience into the discussion.

 

Twitter is so High School.

 

Even if Kuchar did pay the 3k, so what. He's a local. Didn't have to travel. No expenses. He just carried the bag. Probably less work than a normal resort guest loop.

 

Kuchar had praised his caddie for giving him a lot of local knowledge. Can't have it both ways.

 

That's a caddie's job under any circumstance.

[straightshot7]

Without knowing all of the facts (or any of them), I definitely find it hard to judge how one man spends his money or pays his caddie.

[buckeyevalley]

Without knowing all of the facts (or any of them), I definitely find it hard to judge how one man spends his money or pays his caddie.

 

Agree 100%. If that wage was agreed to why should a multi millionaire have to pay more?

[ebrasmus21]

Without knowing all of the facts (or any of them), I definitely find it hard to judge how one man spends his money or pays his caddie.

 

Facts? What’s that mean? Not familiar with that word.

[PZero]

Matt Kuchar

 

https://twitter.com/...8557807616?s=21

 

Whenever I mention Kuchar as a big phony in the threads for "biggest jerks on tour" or whatever, I always get sh*t from people.

 

He's fake.

[DRRicks]

If true, that’s repulsive.

[tatertot]

Without knowing all of the facts (or any of them), I definitely find it hard to judge how one man spends his money or pays his caddie.

 

Agree 100%. If that wage was agreed to why should a multi millionaire have to pay more?

 

"Have to" is not the argument. A multimillionaire should "want" to.

[eagle1997]

Matt Kuchar

 

https://twitter.com/...8557807616?s=21

 

Whenever I mention Kuchar as a big phony in the threads for "biggest jerks on tour" or whatever, I always get sh*t from people.

 

He's fake.

 

Perfect reason to post this gif.

 

[Holy Moses]

Can't believe how tired I am of Twitter rumors and big mouths who don't have the backbone, or anything else, to name names. Call someone out by name or shut up. Having been a 12 year old girl at one point, I can tell you it had a lot in common with Twitter.

 

Thank you for articulating what I was thinking. Not having been a 12 year old girl, I couldn't bring my experience into the discussion.

 

Twitter is so High School.

 

Even if Kuchar did pay the 3k, so what. He's a local. Didn't have to travel. No expenses. He just carried the bag. Probably less work than a normal resort guest loop.

 

Kuchar had praised his caddie for giving him a lot of local knowledge. Can't have it both ways.

 

That's a caddie's job under any circumstance.

 

Yes, but I’m referring to the statement that the caddie was just a bag carrier. He was more than that.

 

Kuch is going to be surprised how much Twitter is talking about him during this round once he finishes playing.

[MtlJeff]

Without knowing all of the facts (or any of them), I definitely find it hard to judge how one man spends his money or pays his caddie.

 

Agree 100%. If that wage was agreed to why should a multi millionaire have to pay more?

 

"Have to" is not the argument. A multimillionaire should "want" to.

 

Why though? What about someone who makes 150k, should they give 20$ to the guy working at the gas station every time they fill up?

[bscinstnct]

Without knowing all of the facts (or any of them), I definitely find it hard to judge how one man spends his money or pays his caddie.

 

Agree 100%. If that wage was agreed to why should a multi millionaire have to pay more?

 

To bring it to non multimillionaire terms.

 

If you won $10,000 in a tournament and you had a local caddie who helped you.

 

Would you give him $30?

 

Thats what 3000 is relative to 1.3MM ; )

[tatertot]

Without knowing all of the facts (or any of them), I definitely find it hard to judge how one man spends his money or pays his caddie.

 

Agree 100%. If that wage was agreed to why should a multi millionaire have to pay more?

 

"Have to" is not the argument. A multimillionaire should "want" to.

 

Why though? What about someone who makes 150k, should they give 20$ to the guy working at the gas station every time they fill up?

 

If the guy at the gas station gave him a tip that helped him make the $150k, yes, why not? Is the guy going to miss the $20? Because it could mean a lot to the gas station guy.

[Holy Moses]

Without knowing all of the facts (or any of them), I definitely find it hard to judge how one man spends his money or pays his caddie.

 

Agree 100%. If that wage was agreed to why should a multi millionaire have to pay more?

 

"Have to" is not the argument. A multimillionaire should "want" to.

 

Why though? What about someone who makes 150k, should they give 20$ to the guy working at the gas station every time they fill up?

 

I don’t see that as a good argument. If it’s standard to pay an employee or a contractor a certain amount and you praise this person for doing a good job, then give him 10%. Now if the tournament says that’s not a good idea and $3k is strongly encouraged, that’s a different story.

[Aaronwilson_95]

it’s hard to see the arguments about whether he should or shouldn’t have to pay him the going rate on tour. In my opinion if taking a local caddie you try to save a few $ and not pay the standard rate for the job being done by all his coworkers that week, that’s just not cool. My guess is the caddie also doesn’t make 50k American if he did he wouldn’t be riding multiple busses to work. Also I am a big Kuch fan so hopefully this is proven false

[Mr. Grumpy]

Without knowing all of the facts (or any of them), I definitely find it hard to judge how one man spends his money or pays his caddie.

 

Agree 100%. If that wage was agreed to why should a multi millionaire have to pay more?

 

To bring it to non multimillionaire terms.

 

If you won $10,000 in a tournament and you had a local caddie who helped you.

 

Would you give him $30?

 

Thats what 3000 is relative to 1.3MM ; )

 

I'm sorry,,, how much exactly did Kutcher pay the caddie?

[MtlJeff]

Without knowing all of the facts (or any of them), I definitely find it hard to judge how one man spends his money or pays his caddie.

 

Agree 100%. If that wage was agreed to why should a multi millionaire have to pay more?

 

"Have to" is not the argument. A multimillionaire should "want" to.

 

Why though? What about someone who makes 150k, should they give 20$ to the guy working at the gas station every time they fill up?

 

I don't see that as a good argument. If it's standard to pay an employee or a contractor a certain amount and you praise this person for doing a good job, then give him 10%. Now if the tournament says that's not a good idea and $3k is strongly encouraged, that's a different story.

 

Why does it matter what "standard" is? Did Matt Kuchar agree to that standard? Isn't he an independent contractor allowed to work out terms for himself? I keep hearing these guys are independent contractors, if he isn't willing to pay the "standard" than caddies have a right to refuse the job....except apparently they didn't. so i guess that's what the market was at the time the job was negotiated.

[Holy Moses]

it's hard to see the arguments about whether he should or shouldn't have to pay him the going rate on tour. In my opinion if taking a local caddie you try to save a few $ and not pay the standard rate for the job being done by all his coworkers that week, that's just not cool. My guess is the caddie also doesn't make 50k American if he did he wouldn't be riding multiple busses to work. Also I am a big Kuch fan so hopefully this is proven false

 

You make some good points, especially the last one. Is housing especially expensive in that part of Mexico and he can't afford a car? I heard that Kuch was walking off all his yardages that week, so the caddie might not have been doing all the things his coworkers were doing. Yet Kuchar also praised the caddie for bringing a lot of local knowledge.

[bscinstnct]

Without knowing all of the facts (or any of them), I definitely find it hard to judge how one man spends his money or pays his caddie.

 

Agree 100%. If that wage was agreed to why should a multi millionaire have to pay more?

 

To bring it to non multimillionaire terms.

 

If you won $10,000 in a tournament and you had a local caddie who helped you.

 

Would you give him $30?

 

Thats what 3000 is relative to 1.3MM ; )

 

I'm sorry,,, how much exactly did Kutcher pay the caddie?

 

Who knows?

 

My post just points out it would be satanic to give your caddie 3k if he just helped you win 1.3MM ; )

[tannyhoban]

It was reported that the caddie received a pair of Sketchers also... So he's got that going for him.

 

And once he put them on he was on the hook for 36 holes.

[straightshot7]

Without knowing all of the facts (or any of them), I definitely find it hard to judge how one man spends his money or pays his caddie.

 

Agree 100%. If that wage was agreed to why should a multi millionaire have to pay more?

 

"Have to" is not the argument. A multimillionaire should "want" to.

 

But we don't know what happened. All we have is hearsay. But meanwhile Kuchar's name will be dragged through the mud.

[Railroading13]

Hopefully not true... if it is I'll never root for Kooch again

[Holy Moses]

Why does it matter what "standard" is? Did Matt Kuchar agree to that standard? Isn't he an independent contractor allowed to work out terms for himself? I keep hearing these guys are independent contractors, if he isn't willing to pay the "standard" than caddies have a right to refuse the job....except apparently they didn't. so i guess that's what the market was at the time the job was negotiated.

 

I believe the tournament set them up. I don't think the caddie was in a great position to refuse a PGA Tour player. Yes, technically independent contractors can work out whatever pay they want. But it's essentially standard to pay a caddie a certain percentage if you win. Unless the tournament told him not to or to keep things under wraps for security reasons, there is no reason for Kuchar to get cheap.

[golfgirlrobin]

Also I am a big Kuch fan so hopefully this is proven false

 

Putting the onus on the wrong side of this story.

[Mr. Grumpy]

It really sucks to put the cheapo cart before the horse. Kutcher is in a no win situation. Thankfully most humans have the attention span of a gnat.

[hell_is_chrome]

Without knowing all of the facts (or any of them), I definitely find it hard to judge how one man spends his money or pays his caddie.

 

Agree 100%. If that wage was agreed to why should a multi millionaire have to pay more?

 

"Have to" is not the argument. A multimillionaire should "want" to.

 

Why though? What about someone who makes 150k, should they give 20$ to the guy working at the gas station every time they fill up?

 

Depends. What's the standard rate? That's what this discussion is all about after all.

[MtlJeff]

Without knowing all of the facts (or any of them), I definitely find it hard to judge how one man spends his money or pays his caddie.

 

Agree 100%. If that wage was agreed to why should a multi millionaire have to pay more?

 

"Have to" is not the argument. A multimillionaire should "want" to.

 

Why though? What about someone who makes 150k, should they give 20$ to the guy working at the gas station every time they fill up?

 

Depends. What's the standard rate? That's what this discussion is all about after all.

 

Should caddies who get paid more than the standard rate get their pay reduced?