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I'm looking to join somewhere this spring (preferably around march-april) and looking for a place to join. I'm moving to somewhere in the lansdowne area maybe so anything around there would be great.

 

Looking for places with low initiation. I'm 25 so I could possibly get a good deal.

 

I'm looking at white manor or rolling green but don't any of their dues/initiation and I don't want to come in to discuss

these things just because they might be outside of my budget.

 

Anyone know what other places have good deals for a young professional?

 

If you had details on pricing to these places PM me.

 

Thanks

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I don't know current pricing specifics, but Springhaven is perhaps another to consider, I would have to think the initiation would be lower than Rolling Green or White Manor. Llanerch is also nearby. That all being said, my personal opinion is that Rolling Green is the best golf course of that four. Probably the most challenging.

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I would assume you can still get a good deal at White Manor as the new owners need to make that course "work" quickly or it's getting bulldozed.

 

I thought the language of the sale included that the course would remain operational and not allow for an option to develop the property for at least 5 years?

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I would assume you can still get a good deal at White Manor as the new owners need to make that course "work" quickly or it's getting bulldozed.

 

I thought the language of the sale included that the course would remain operational and not allow for an option to develop the property for at least 5 years?

 

I think you're right about that.

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white manor & philmont are both owned by concert golf. word is @ philmont, they are going to develop at least 9 of the south courses 18 holes for housing. that's what they are trying to do at least. they also re-did 18 on north. question is, like in all these cases where these entities buy out the members & then recapitalize, will they get the zoning permits and how long will it take.

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white manor & philmont are both owned by concert golf. word is @ philmont, they are going to develop at least 9 of the south courses 18 holes for housing. that's what they are trying to do at least. they also re-did 18 on north. question is, like in all these cases where these entities buy out the members & then recapitalize, will they get the zoning permits and how long will it take.

Still hoping ClubCorp gets back in the picture with those two courses.
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> @VGVG said:

> I wouldn’t join White Manor right now, given the uncertainty. I heard that some of the members are not happy with the new owners. When I was looking for a club a few years ago, I concluded that Rolling Greens and Llanerch are much better options.

 

I'd venture to guess the folks at White Manor are way happier than the members at Philmont.

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> @dankil13 said:

> > @VGVG said:

> > I wouldn’t join White Manor right now, given the uncertainty. I heard that some of the members are not happy with the new owners. When I was looking for a club a few years ago, I concluded that Rolling Greens and Llanerch are much better options.

>

> I'd venture to guess the folks at White Manor are way happier than the members at Philmont.

 

I don’t know anything about Philmont. What is going on there?

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> @dankil13 said:

> > @VGVG said:

> > I wouldn’t join White Manor right now, given the uncertainty. I heard that some of the members are not happy with the new owners. When I was looking for a club a few years ago, I concluded that Rolling Greens and Llanerch are much better options.

>

> I'd venture to guess the folks at White Manor are way happier than the members at Philmont.

 

From what I have heard there are only a handful of members left from the pre-Concert Golf days. I'm sure they are the most upset.

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> @VGVG said:

> > @dankil13 said:

> > > @VGVG said:

> > > I wouldn’t join White Manor right now, given the uncertainty. I heard that some of the members are not happy with the new owners. When I was looking for a club a few years ago, I concluded that Rolling Greens and Llanerch are much better options.

> >

> > I'd venture to guess the folks at White Manor are way happier than the members at Philmont.

>

> I don’t know anything about Philmont. What is going on there?

 

They lost all of the greens. The super "resigned" The head greenskeeper from White Manor is overseeing the Fall overseeding and recovery. Yet Concert won't shut the course down, is still hosting outings, and hasn't really provided us with an option to play elsewhere other than White Manor, which is 45 mins away (and generally only available mid-afternoon when we request a tee time).

 

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> @Noles said:

> Holy cow! That's terrible. Such a great track too. Time for Club Corp to swoop in and buy it!

 

Club Corp backed out of purchasing 16 courses from Concert last summer (including Philmont). Its highly unlikely they would consider buying today, esp with litigation tying up the sale and development of the South course.

 

I emailed the GM Saturday afternoon after my round venting my frustration and haven't received a reply. I also started making calls to all of the membership directors for the clubs in the area. I've prob played my last round at Philmont.

 

 

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> @dankil13 said:

> > @Noles said:

> > Holy cow! That's terrible. Such a great track too. Time for Club Corp to swoop in and buy it!

>

> Club Corp backed out of purchasing 16 courses from Concert last summer (including Philmont). Its highly unlikely they would consider buying today, esp with litigation tying up the sale and development of the South course.

>

> I emailed the GM Saturday afternoon after my round venting my frustration and haven't received a reply. I also started making calls to all of the membership directors for the clubs in the area. I've prob played my last round at Philmont.

>

>

FYI

From Robert J. Vasilak's blog: http://worldgolfreport.blogspot.com/

 

Concert Golf Partners is once again flush with cash.

The Newport Beach, California-based owner/operator has secured a $100 million financial commitment that secures its place at the top of the club-acquisition food chain. Peter Nanula, Concert’s chairman, figures that the money will enable his firm to add eight to 10 private clubs to its portfolio and make capital improvements to both new and existing properties. “For a lot of clubs, it all comes down to capital,” Nanula notes. “Because we have capital, we can solve problems and take on risks that clubs can’t.” The new funding ensures that Concert, which owns 20 clubs, will be able to compete for properties with ClubCorp, its much larger and most significant rival. Both companies are among a very small group of owner/operators that have money for acquisitions, and both are on the prowl for the same type of property: Mid- to upper-tier “lifestyle” clubs in metropolitan areas that have lost members or become burdened with debt and now find themselves in need of money that will allow them to make the facility improvements they need to remain competitive in their markets. Generally speaking, Concert and ClubCorp target member-owned clubs that generate revenues of $5 million to $10 million annually. Although the companies are always seeking to increase their holdings, 2019 has been a quiet year for them. Concert has acquired just one property, Plantation Golf & Country Club in Venice, Florida, while ClubCorp, as best I can determine, hasn’t made a purchase since late 2018, when it bought Ridge Club, a venue in Sandwich, Massachusetts that’s changed hands at least five times since 2003. In fact, the companies’ portfolios are so similar that ClubCorp tried to buy 16 of Concert’s clubs in the spring of 2018. The prospective sale collapsed in the late stages of the negotiations, due to what Nanula described at the time as disagreements related to price, terms, and “softer issues” concerning “commitments we have made to our members.”

 

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> FYI

> From Robert J. Vasilak's blog: http://worldgolfreport.blogspot.com/

>

> Concert Golf Partners is once again flush with cash.

> The Newport Beach, California-based owner/operator has secured a $100 million financial commitment that secures its place at the top of the club-acquisition food chain. Peter Nanula, Concert’s chairman, figures that the money will enable his firm to add eight to 10 private clubs to its portfolio and make capital improvements to both new and existing properties. “For a lot of clubs, it all comes down to capital,” Nanula notes. “Because we have capital, we can solve problems and take on risks that clubs can’t.” The new funding ensures that Concert, which owns 20 clubs, will be able to compete for properties with ClubCorp, its much larger and most significant rival. Both companies are among a very small group of owner/operators that have money for acquisitions, and both are on the prowl for the same type of property: Mid- to upper-tier “lifestyle” clubs in metropolitan areas that have lost members or become burdened with debt and now find themselves in need of money that will allow them to make the facility improvements they need to remain competitive in their markets. Generally speaking, Concert and ClubCorp target member-owned clubs that generate revenues of $5 million to $10 million annually. Although the companies are always seeking to increase their holdings, 2019 has been a quiet year for them. Concert has acquired just one property, Plantation Golf & Country Club in Venice, Florida, while ClubCorp, as best I can determine, hasn’t made a purchase since late 2018, when it bought Ridge Club, a venue in Sandwich, Massachusetts that’s changed hands at least five times since 2003. In fact, the companies’ portfolios are so similar that ClubCorp tried to buy 16 of Concert’s clubs in the spring of 2018. The prospective sale collapsed in the late stages of the negotiations, due to what Nanula described at the time as disagreements related to price, terms, and “softer issues” concerning “commitments we have made to our members.”

>

This quote is laughable

“We’re going to keep doing what we’ve been doing,” he says. “All 20 of our clubs are successful and thriving, and each one has exceeded the business plan we set for them. We have a model that works.” Philmont has been anything but successful. They were way overbudget on the reno of the clubhouse and thus let go of the tenured staff to cut costs. Maybe if/when they can develop the South course it would work for them. The only memberships they can sell are heavily discounted Jr memberships for $275-$325/month.

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Dunning is now at Applebrook

Philmont is intentionally letting the course go

White Manor intentionally over sells memberships as they are trying to generate as much cash as possible in a short time. New members can't even get a decent tee time on the weekends at White Manor. Still love the course though.

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> @Evolved said:

> Dunning is now at Applebrook

> Philmont is intentionally letting the course go

> White Manor intentionally over sells memberships as they are trying to generate as much cash as possible in a short time. New members can't even get a decent tee time on the weekends at White Manor. Still love the course though.

 

To what end are they intentionally letting the course go?

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