The feeling of Miura

trickyrictrickyric Members Posts: 106
Am I the only person that doesn't get it?

I have purchased 2 sets of this company's clubs because so many people on these boards say they feel solid "like butter", but I just find the feel to be very heavy with a dense almost thudish feel that lacks the "thwack" of a solid strike. I have sold both sets inside of 2 weeks of spending a grand a set, each time feeling like I got "P.T Barnumed" again. (founder of Ringling brothers circus, qouted as saying "a sucker is born every minute")

I much prefer the feeling of Mizuno forged clubs and have gone right back to the MP-32's which I think feel much more solid and balanced.

I also wonder how many bloggers who rave about Miura's actually have them?



any feedback as to why I may just not be getting "it" would be appreciated.

Trickyric

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  • trickyrictrickyric Members Posts: 106
    nobody has a repy?
  • joey3108joey3108 Proud founding sponsor and pioneer of golfwrx Bay AreaMarshals Posts: 7,848 mod
    No, you are not the only one!



    I do feel the same thing also on the NEWER line. Most likely are because of the grade of metal they've used and type of finish.



    A lot of talk also about welded neck is one of the factor's.



    I'm not sure either if this problem are the same w/ the japanese edition one.



    Awesome looking iron though!



    Just my 2 cents!



    Joe
  • sandysandy ClubWRX Posts: 4,996
    trickyric wrote on Apr 27 2006, 05:16 AM:


    Am I the only person that doesn't get it?

    I have purchased 2 sets of this company's clubs because so many people on these boards say they feel solid "like butter", but I just find the feel to be very heavy with a dense almost thudish feel that lacks the "thwack" of a solid strike. I have sold both sets inside of 2 weeks of spending a grand a set, each time feeling like I got "P.T Barnumed" again. (founder of Ringling brothers circus, qouted as saying "a sucker is born every minute")

    I much prefer the feeling of Mizuno forged clubs and have gone right back to the MP-32's which I think feel much more solid and balanced.

    I also wonder how many bloggers who rave about Miura's actually have them?



    any feedback as to why I may just not be getting "it" would be appreciated.

    Trickyric




    Many people don't like the feeling that a welded hosel produces. Some think it kills the forged feel and produces an undesireable sound. Others think those characteristics define a premium forged club. I personally have never been a big Miura fan. The first time I noticed a club that was purchased from them was the old MacGregor PCB Tours. Had a very dull feeling compared to what I was used to with MacGregor. Some time later I experienced the same feeling when I was given a set of Miuras to play.
  • DemolitionManDemolitionMan It�s not a hill, it�s a mountain...As you start out the clim Members Posts: 3,874
    Which Miuras have welded hosels?
  • joey3108joey3108 Proud founding sponsor and pioneer of golfwrx Bay AreaMarshals Posts: 7,848 mod
    All Miura have welded neck.



    It's their trade mark!!!
  • JohnnyJohnny Get Kwok'd Charter Members Posts: 8,706 ✭✭
    I understood cb1005, mb5002 do

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  • OOOOOO Members Posts: 239
    rickyric,





    You are not alone, I went through the same thing. Back to B'stone! IMO Srixon, B'stone, and Mizuno feel softer.
  • DemolitionManDemolitionMan It�s not a hill, it�s a mountain...As you start out the clim Members Posts: 3,874
    Johnny wrote on Apr 27 2006, 06:02 PM:


    I understood cb1005, mb5002 do






    Wow, for welded necks those clubs feel pretty good. I just hit the CBs the other day and they were great.
  • tongttongt Members Posts: 42
    edited Apr 28, 2006 #10
    Personnally I think that the J-Spec is better feel since I have tried both spec.
  • trickyrictrickyric Members Posts: 106
    I am glad others have reached the same conclusions. I thought I was some kind of mutant!

    I have been playing golf at a single digit handicap for 30+ years and was thinking that I may not acctually know what "solid" really means.

    I was trying so hard to get what I thought was "solid" that I screwed up my swing and had to go back to my old clubs and practice for a week to get my swing feeling back.

    I now think that if you try a club and you don't love it in 3 swings it isn't for you!
  • SwingManSwingMan SwingMan Members Posts: 6,800
    edited Apr 28, 2006 #12
    Having owned both CB-201s and now, the CB-301s, you and the others must have "hands of stone."



    OK, lol. image/cheesy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



    Seriously, the 201s/Nippon 1050 were dense and solid, I wouldn't call them buttah' - but they had a unique precise feel. Maybe you shouldn't have sold them so quickly, it took me about a month to grow accustomed to the feel.



    If you don't own them for a while, with apologies to the others on the board who did not appreciate the feel, I don't think you can enjoy the unique feel of the 201.



    I disagree completely with Joe K if he is talking about the CB-301 - that iron in Nippon 1150 is buttah'. It has a lighter, sweeter feel than the 201s - slightly different, in a good way, for most of you who want an iron to feel like buttah'. It is more Mizuno-like in feel - lighter and sweeter.



    They are two different irons with a different feel (201 v. 301) - the 201 feels like a precise, solid surgical instrument while the 301 is a lighter, precise, sweeter feeling club.



    But everyone has a different opinion on feel. Each of us have our own holy grail. That's just the facts, Jack. That's golf clubs. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':ok:' />
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  • joey3108joey3108 Proud founding sponsor and pioneer of golfwrx Bay AreaMarshals Posts: 7,848 mod
    edited Apr 28, 2006 #13
    Feel is a subjetive thing, so i'll let the majority speaks.



    For me, the only newer version that feel soft enough like Mizuno is the MB5002 w/ brush satin nickle finish.



    Of course we can't compare feel between muscle back and cavity back, we can't even compare deep cavity and shallow cavity...IMO it's just no way no matter what material they've use, plus we have to be a great striker to be able to tell all this stuff.



    Joe
  • SwingManSwingMan SwingMan Members Posts: 6,800
    Hi Joe -- as you said, feel is a subjective thing.



    So you can't really let the majority speak.



    Feel is an individual thing. Each of us have our own holy grail when it comes to feel.



    And each of us knows what feels good to us and what doesn't feel so good.



    But one can make generalizations - which is what we're doing here. I've owned both of the above sets - the 201s for more than a year, and now the 301s, for a month. I've also owned MP-33s for a year. And the above are my observations of the differences and similarities between the sets in terms of feel.
    "My swing is so bad, I look like a caveman killing his lunch" - Lee Trevino

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  • joey3108joey3108 Proud founding sponsor and pioneer of golfwrx Bay AreaMarshals Posts: 7,848 mod
    SwingMan wrote on Apr 28 2006, 12:24 PM:


    Hi Joe -- as you said, feel is a subjective thing.



    So you can't really let the majority speak.



    Feel is an individual thing. Each of us have our own holy grail when it comes to feel.



    And each of us knows what feels good to us and what doesn't feel so good.



    But one can make generalizations - which is what we're doing here. I've owned both of the above sets - the 201s for more than a year, and now the 301s, for a month. I've also owned MP-33s for a year. And the above are my observations of the differences and similarities between the sets in terms of feel.


    I think you misunderstood me. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



    I'm talking about all the posters here have their right of opinions. We have to remember, we are not the only one posting, right?



    At the end we can see the majority opinions, As of how people digest it is not our control. That is what I meant majority will speaks.



    Beauty is to the eyes of the beholder !



    I respect completely on your opinions, but i do respect others too.



    I personally like the look of the 201 and I personally can live and play w/ 735CM SS w/ no problem in feel, eventhough i know it's harsher feel.



    Cheers!



    Joe
  • SwingManSwingMan SwingMan Members Posts: 6,800
    Joe - I think you misunderstood me.





    In my first post, I made a funny. I am not dismissing others' opinions.



    I also voiced my opinion.



    I hope others respect it based upon my description and ownership of the two Miura irons.



    Just because a majority says one iron feels better than the other -- doesn't mean squat to the lone golfer making a decision. As we both agree, feel is subjective - the only judge that matters is the guy holding the golf club in his hands who must make a decision as to whether he likes the club or not.



    The group doesn't swing the club. One golfer swings the club. It's his judgment that counts. If 99 guys say a club doesn't feel good but one guy says it feels great, then it's a great feeling club to that sole golfer.



    Hope we both agree on that.
    "My swing is so bad, I look like a caveman killing his lunch" - Lee Trevino

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  • joey3108joey3108 Proud founding sponsor and pioneer of golfwrx Bay AreaMarshals Posts: 7,848 mod
    SwingMan wrote on Apr 28 2006, 03:30 PM:


    Joe - I think you misunderstood me.





    In my first post, I made a funny. I am not dismissing others' opinions.



    I also voiced my opinion.



    I hope others respect it based upon my description and ownership of the two Miura irons.



    Just because a majority says one iron feels better than the other -- doesn't mean squat to the lone golfer making a decision. As we both agree, feel is subjective - the only judge that matters is the guy holding the golf club in his hands who must make a decision as to whether he likes the club or not.



    The group doesn't swing the club. One golfer swings the club. It's his judgment that counts. If 99 guys say a club doesn't feel good but one guy says it feels great, then it's a great feeling club to that sole golfer.



    Hope we both agree on that.


    You are entitle to have any opinions you have.



    I've worked and own pretty much almost everything they have and even visited miura plan in Himechi ( himeji ), In fact I was one of the first who brought Miura name since golfequipments.com & GEA forums 7-8 yrears ago. I was one of the first Miura dealer who launch Ray Floyd's edition which IMO is better material ( softness ) to the one it is now. I've seen how the neck weld together and knows exactly the technique , So I have enough Miura history under my belt and I can hold my own opinions.



    And I still respect your opinions no matter what.
  • SwingManSwingMan SwingMan Members Posts: 6,800
    edited Apr 28, 2006 #18
    OK - I respect yours, too.



    But disagreement doesn't mean disrespect.



    And I'll respect the opinion of Jim 30+ hc as to what he feels.



    The point of this thread is the feel of Miura irons and how some people don't agree that they feel like buttah.' I agreed with the poster but also stated my opinion that the 301s feel sweeter.



    One doesn't have to visit the Miura factory, the Titleist factory, the Callaway factory or any other factory to have an opinion about how an irons feels.



    My "feeling" now is that my opinion is not worthy because you are an acknowledged expert and I'm only Jimmy 9 'capper who just plays the game.



    Hope that's not the case.



    I don't have your extensive experience but I do have a badge of honor as a club ho.'
    "My swing is so bad, I look like a caveman killing his lunch" - Lee Trevino

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  • MadballMadball Under-Paid Club Tester Charter Members Posts: 813
    Well--if a Miura iron player HO has any input--here it is:



    Welded neck or not--

    I think the Miura CB-201's are every bit as great feeling as ANY TaylorMade Miura or any other

    Tour issue iron I've ever owned or hit..

    I've not only had them all--I've had them all several times image/help.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

    Impressive set of irons IMO
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  • HifadeHifade Sleepin' on the job. Slacker! Dayton, OHCharter Members Posts: 5,338 ✭✭
    edited Apr 28, 2006 #20
    AMEN...."ball." I too just put a set of 201's into play with Nippon 1150 Tour x's and they have taken the place of my brand new Lehman Box Toes. I never thought it could happen but for now the Lehman's are in the bullpen waiting for the call and the 201's are startin' then game. As good as anything ever hit IMHFO.







    Cardo










    Madball wrote on Apr 28 2006, 08:19 PM:
    Well--if a Miura iron player HO has any input--here it is:



    Welded neck or not--

    I think the Miura CB-201's are every bit as great feeling as ANY TaylorMade Miura or any other

    Tour issue iron I've ever owned or hit..

    I've not only had them all--I've had them all several times image/help.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

    Impressive set of irons IMO


    PING G410 LST 9* - MITZ TENSEI PRO ORANGE 60S
    PING G410 15* - MITZ TENSEI PRO ORANGE 70S
    TITLEIST 20* 815 Hybrid - Fuji HB 8.8 Tour Spec
    CALLAWAY '19 APEX PROS 4-GW - KBS TOUR V "S" (HSx1)
    CALLAWAY PM2 54* X & 58* X - ORIGINAL PX Satin 5.5's (HSx1)
    ODYSSEY STROKE LAB EXO 7S - CUSTOM
    BRIDGESTONE B330 Tour #1's & TITLEIST PRO V #1's
  • SwingManSwingMan SwingMan Members Posts: 6,800
    I agree that the 201s are great feeling - it's a unique feel - I won't say they're buttah' - they're direct, precise, solid and dense yet soft at the same time.



    The 301s are lighter and feel softer.



    I really can't tell you which one I prefer most -- I do miss my 201s in certain respects.



    They're just different - imho.
    "My swing is so bad, I look like a caveman killing his lunch" - Lee Trevino

    Bag: Ping G400 Max/TPT Golf Series 17 ● Exotics EX10 Beta 4, 5 wd ● PXG 0317 4H/Tensei CK Pro Red 70 ● Mizuno 919F 5-GW/Accra i80 ● Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth 56ES, 60SS ●Evnroll ER8
  • JohnnyJohnny Get Kwok'd Charter Members Posts: 8,706 ✭✭
    edited Apr 28, 2006 #22
    I think the Miura's feel fine... but I am a old Mizuno guy at heart... love TN-87s they are the ultimate in my opinion... my irons of the week are MP-4, talk about thin topline, no offset and box-toe.

    Woods : Callaway Razr TA, Titleist F3-05
    Hybrid : Adams LSP XTD
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    Putter : Nike Method 003 Oven

  • sandysandy ClubWRX Posts: 4,996
    Madball wrote on Apr 28 2006, 09:19 PM:


    Well--if a Miura iron player HO has any input--here it is:



    Welded neck or not--

    I think the Miura CB-201's are every bit as great feeling as ANY TaylorMade Miura or any other

    Tour issue iron I've ever owned or hit..

    I've not only had them all--I've had them all several times image/help.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

    Impressive set of irons IMO




    But there is the problem. Which Taylor Mades were done by Miura and which weren't. Many initial runs were done by Miura but when they couldn't produce the volume companies like Taylor Made wanted the iron was outsourced to other producers. The best example was the X-300 FCI. They started with Miura in Japan and wound up in Mexico for the final run and those weren't huge volume sellers despite their cult like following. The RAC CBs and MBs and combo sets nobody could tell where they were done after the initial run of shiny chrome CBs that said coin forged on the hosel---those were from Miura. The rest is anybodys guess and also the reason Taylor Made stopped putting the stickers on the 5 irons---even they didn't know after a while.
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