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Majority of teens can drive far but are in the woods few times a round and that brings big numbers to kill their chance to win.

Driving long does not always mean driving straight and than hitting GIR.

Throwing clubs is another important stat in JV and varsity games and mental game is an important factor. Distance advantage gets diluted as kids get older, unless you are freakish long ....

 

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No....it's driving distance. And it's not close. Driving distance correlates to the other factors so substantially that you can't ignore it. It's easier to hit a GIR from 130 in the rough than 170 in fairway. Proximity is better from 130 than 170 which means total putts and putts per GIR are better. This is not a matter of opinion. The biggest difference between elite and good players—at any level—is driving distance. There are outlying exceptions to every rule but there's a reason it's the rule

 

One thing I noticed in golf in general is a lot people want to ignore the fact that placement off the tee is what drives a persons score. A bad drive that is either too short or wayward will kill a score faster then anything out there. Also the longer you are the harder it is to hit the ball strait or control the roll the ball.

 

At the younger ages I also see a lot parents who buy OEM drivers have kids with good technique doing 150-180 which is great but it's different level for a boy to go 300 and a girl to go 250 plus yards. At 12 or 13 I believe you start to see the kids with faster club head speed.

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No....it's driving distance. And it's not close. Driving distance correlates to the other factors so substantially that you can't ignore it. It's easier to hit a GIR from 130 in the rough than 170 in fairway. Proximity is better from 130 than 170 which means total putts and putts per GIR are better. This is not a matter of opinion. The biggest difference between elite and good players—at any level—is driving distance. There are outlying exceptions to every rule but there's a reason it's the rule

 

One thing I noticed in golf in general is a lot people want to ignore the fact that placement off the tee is what drives a persons score. A bad drive that is either too short or wayward will kill a score faster then anything out there. Also the longer you are the harder it is to hit the ball strait or control the roll the ball.

 

At the younger ages I also see a lot parents who buy OEM drivers have kids with good technique doing 150-180 which is great but it's different level for a boy to go 300 and a girl to go 250 plus yards. At 12 or 13 I believe you start to see the kids with faster club head speed.

 

I agree with this, but being able to hit it 300/250yds is not something you can just "work on" to improve - you either have the God-given potential to do so or you don't.

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No....it's driving distance. And it's not close. Driving distance correlates to the other factors so substantially that you can't ignore it. It's easier to hit a GIR from 130 in the rough than 170 in fairway. Proximity is better from 130 than 170 which means total putts and putts per GIR are better. This is not a matter of opinion. The biggest difference between elite and good players—at any level—is driving distance. There are outlying exceptions to every rule but there's a reason it's the rule

 

One thing I noticed in golf in general is a lot people want to ignore the fact that placement off the tee is what drives a persons score. A bad drive that is either too short or wayward will kill a score faster then anything out there. Also the longer you are the harder it is to hit the ball strait or control the roll the ball.

 

At the younger ages I also see a lot parents who buy OEM drivers have kids with good technique doing 150-180 which is great but it's different level for a boy to go 300 and a girl to go 250 plus yards. At 12 or 13 I believe you start to see the kids with faster club head speed.

 

That is why you practice. Kid played 9 holes last week and shot a -4 with a lost ball in a water hazard. It takes skill to put an iron on the green, it takes confidence to drain the 15 footer for par when you need it.

 

Golf is a game of misses. How you manage those misses will tell if you can score or not.

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No....it's driving distance. And it's not close. Driving distance correlates to the other factors so substantially that you can't ignore it. It's easier to hit a GIR from 130 in the rough than 170 in fairway. Proximity is better from 130 than 170 which means total putts and putts per GIR are better. This is not a matter of opinion. The biggest difference between elite and good players—at any level—is driving distance. There are outlying exceptions to every rule but there's a reason it's the rule

 

One thing I noticed in golf in general is a lot people want to ignore the fact that placement off the tee is what drives a persons score. A bad drive that is either too short or wayward will kill a score faster then anything out there. Also the longer you are the harder it is to hit the ball strait or control the roll the ball.

 

At the younger ages I also see a lot parents who buy OEM drivers have kids with good technique doing 150-180 which is great but it's different level for a boy to go 300 and a girl to go 250 plus yards. At 12 or 13 I believe you start to see the kids with faster club head speed.

 

That is why you practice. Kid played 9 holes last week and shot a -4 with a lost ball in a water hazard. It takes skill to put an iron on the green, it takes confidence to drain the 15 footer for par when you need it.

 

Golf is a game of misses. How you manage those misses will tell if you can score or not.

 

Couldn't agree with you more on this. I am probably talking more about girls then boys because a lot times I see girls never workout or do anything to gain clubhead speed. I've seen a lot parents who think there kid is going far with a 60 mph swing. While I bet there is a good chance to win your local club championship against women they need more speed to compete on a national level.

 

Lots and lot girls out there swing 90-95mph plus easily on a national level.

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No....it's driving distance. And it's not close. Driving distance correlates to the other factors so substantially that you can't ignore it. It's easier to hit a GIR from 130 in the rough than 170 in fairway. Proximity is better from 130 than 170 which means total putts and putts per GIR are better. This is not a matter of opinion. The biggest difference between elite and good players—at any level—is driving distance. There are outlying exceptions to every rule but there's a reason it's the rule

 

One thing I noticed in golf in general is a lot people want to ignore the fact that placement off the tee is what drives a persons score. A bad drive that is either too short or wayward will kill a score faster then anything out there. Also the longer you are the harder it is to hit the ball strait or control the roll the ball.

 

At the younger ages I also see a lot parents who buy OEM drivers have kids with good technique doing 150-180 which is great but it's different level for a boy to go 300 and a girl to go 250 plus yards. At 12 or 13 I believe you start to see the kids with faster club head speed.

 

That is why you practice. Kid played 9 holes last week and shot a -4 with a lost ball in a water hazard. It takes skill to put an iron on the green, it takes confidence to drain the 15 footer for par when you need it.

 

Golf is a game of misses. How you manage those misses will tell if you can score or not.

 

Couldn't agree with you more on this. I am probably talking more about girls then boys because a lot times I see girls never workout or do anything to gain clubhead speed. I've seen a lot parents who think there kid is going far with a 60 mph swing. While I bet there is a good chance to win your local club championship against women they need more speed to compete on a national level.

 

Lots and lot girls out there swing 90-95mph plus easily on a national level.

 

Lucy Li and Alexa Pano are not long and they do just fine competing on a National Level.

 

Looking at the DCP this year the top 3 girls in driving aren't incredibly long either and are all ranked very high. The longest was Jami Morris at 220. Schuster and Ganne were at 219. Those swing speeds are right at 90.

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No....it's driving distance. And it's not close. Driving distance correlates to the other factors so substantially that you can't ignore it. It's easier to hit a GIR from 130 in the rough than 170 in fairway. Proximity is better from 130 than 170 which means total putts and putts per GIR are better. This is not a matter of opinion. The biggest difference between elite and good players—at any level—is driving distance. There are outlying exceptions to every rule but there's a reason it's the rule

 

One thing I noticed in golf in general is a lot people want to ignore the fact that placement off the tee is what drives a persons score. A bad drive that is either too short or wayward will kill a score faster then anything out there. Also the longer you are the harder it is to hit the ball strait or control the roll the ball.

 

At the younger ages I also see a lot parents who buy OEM drivers have kids with good technique doing 150-180 which is great but it's different level for a boy to go 300 and a girl to go 250 plus yards. At 12 or 13 I believe you start to see the kids with faster club head speed.

 

That is why you practice. Kid played 9 holes last week and shot a -4 with a lost ball in a water hazard. It takes skill to put an iron on the green, it takes confidence to drain the 15 footer for par when you need it.

 

Golf is a game of misses. How you manage those misses will tell if you can score or not.

 

Couldn't agree with you more on this. I am probably talking more about girls then boys because a lot times I see girls never workout or do anything to gain clubhead speed. I've seen a lot parents who think there kid is going far with a 60 mph swing. While I bet there is a good chance to win your local club championship against women they need more speed to compete on a national level.

 

Lots and lot girls out there swing 90-95mph plus easily on a national level.

 

Lucy Li and Alexa Pano are not long and they do just fine competing on a National Level.

 

Looking at the DCP this year the top 3 girls in driving aren't incredibly long either and are all ranked very high. The longest was Jami Morris at 220. Schuster and Ganne were at 219. Those swing speeds are right at 90.

 

Alexa Pano and Lucy Li I would still say are long compared to the average girl the same age. Maybe long not on a national level with other girls who are also much much longer than most women will ever be They also hit it far enough to play at the levels they are playing. Most girls would love to be able hit as far them at any age.

 

I've seen Alexa Pano practice and yes she is not what I would call long for an elite player. I personally think they both will need more yardage if there going to compete in the LPGA on a higher level. Don't get me wrong they have enough yards now to probably play on the LPGA but from what I can see they will struggle compared to the leaders based on far they hit the ball.

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Alexa Pano and Lucy Li I would still say are long compared to the average girl the same age. Maybe long not on a national level with other girls who are also much much longer than most women will ever be They also hit it far enough to play at the levels they are playing. Most girls would love to be able hit as far them at any age.

 

I've seen Alexa Pano practice and yes she is not what I would call long for an elite player. I personally think they both will need more yardage if there going to compete in the LPGA on a higher level. Don't get me wrong they have enough yards now to probably play on the LPGA but from what I can see they will struggle compared to the leaders based on far they hit the ball.

 

Did you know that the average driving distance on the LPGA is 218 yards? Mean Driving distance is 255 yards.

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Alexa Pano and Lucy Li I would still say are long compared to the average girl the same age. Maybe long not on a national level with other girls who are also much much longer than most women will ever be They also hit it far enough to play at the levels they are playing. Most girls would love to be able hit as far them at any age.

 

I've seen Alexa Pano practice and yes she is not what I would call long for an elite player. I personally think they both will need more yardage if there going to compete in the LPGA on a higher level. Don't get me wrong they have enough yards now to probably play on the LPGA but from what I can see they will struggle compared to the leaders based on far they hit the ball.

 

Did you know that the average driving distance on the LPGA is 218 yards? Mean Driving distance is 255 yards.

 

Yes but the women who win drive more then that. Last time I went to LPGA event anyone driving less then 250 carry was way behind the leaders.

 

 

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Alexa Pano and Lucy Li I would still say are long compared to the average girl the same age. Maybe long not on a national level with other girls who are also much much longer than most women will ever be They also hit it far enough to play at the levels they are playing. Most girls would love to be able hit as far them at any age.

 

I've seen Alexa Pano practice and yes she is not what I would call long for an elite player. I personally think they both will need more yardage if there going to compete in the LPGA on a higher level. Don't get me wrong they have enough yards now to probably play on the LPGA but from what I can see they will struggle compared to the leaders based on far they hit the ball.

 

Did you know that the average driving distance on the LPGA is 218 yards? Mean Driving distance is 255 yards.

 

Yes but the women who win drive more then that. Last time I went to LPGA event anyone driving less then 250 carry was way behind the leaders.

 

Just real quickly. Looking at the top 6 finishers at recent lpga tour event. Nelly Korda who leads the LPGA with average driving distance at 271 is the only girl who bombs it. The winner and others 5 are all about 250 in average driving distance (ranking about 22nd on the LPGA Tour).

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Alexa Pano and Lucy Li I would still say are long compared to the average girl the same age. Maybe long not on a national level with other girls who are also much much longer than most women will ever be They also hit it far enough to play at the levels they are playing. Most girls would love to be able hit as far them at any age.

 

I've seen Alexa Pano practice and yes she is not what I would call long for an elite player. I personally think they both will need more yardage if there going to compete in the LPGA on a higher level. Don't get me wrong they have enough yards now to probably play on the LPGA but from what I can see they will struggle compared to the leaders based on far they hit the ball.

 

Did you know that the average driving distance on the LPGA is 218 yards? Mean Driving distance is 255 yards.

 

Aren't "average" and "mean" the same thing?

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Alexa Pano and Lucy Li I would still say are long compared to the average girl the same age. Maybe long not on a national level with other girls who are also much much longer than most women will ever be They also hit it far enough to play at the levels they are playing. Most girls would love to be able hit as far them at any age.

 

I've seen Alexa Pano practice and yes she is not what I would call long for an elite player. I personally think they both will need more yardage if there going to compete in the LPGA on a higher level. Don't get me wrong they have enough yards now to probably play on the LPGA but from what I can see they will struggle compared to the leaders based on far they hit the ball.

 

Did you know that the average driving distance on the LPGA is 218 yards? Mean Driving distance is 255 yards.

 

Yes but the women who win drive more then that. Last time I went to LPGA event anyone driving less then 250 carry was way behind the leaders.

 

Just real quickly. Looking at the top 6 finishers at recent lpga tour event. Nelly Korda who leads the LPGA with average driving distance at 271 is the only girl who bombs it. The winner and others 5 are all about 250 in average driving distance (ranking about 22nd on the LPGA Tour).

 

I would say Lexi puts it out there a good bit as well.

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Alexa Pano and Lucy Li I would still say are long compared to the average girl the same age. Maybe long not on a national level with other girls who are also much much longer than most women will ever be They also hit it far enough to play at the levels they are playing. Most girls would love to be able hit as far them at any age.

 

I've seen Alexa Pano practice and yes she is not what I would call long for an elite player. I personally think they both will need more yardage if there going to compete in the LPGA on a higher level. Don't get me wrong they have enough yards now to probably play on the LPGA but from what I can see they will struggle compared to the leaders based on far they hit the ball.

 

Did you know that the average driving distance on the LPGA is 218 yards? Mean Driving distance is 255 yards.

 

Yes but the women who win drive more then that. Last time I went to LPGA event anyone driving less then 250 carry was way behind the leaders.

 

Just real quickly. Looking at the top 6 finishers at recent lpga tour event. Nelly Korda who leads the LPGA with average driving distance at 271 is the only girl who bombs it. The winner and others 5 are all about 250 in average driving distance (ranking about 22nd on the LPGA Tour).

 

I would say Lexi puts it out there a good bit as well.

 

Yup shes 2nd in avg driving distance and finished 10th in the tournament.

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Alexa Pano and Lucy Li I would still say are long compared to the average girl the same age. Maybe long not on a national level with other girls who are also much much longer than most women will ever be They also hit it far enough to play at the levels they are playing. Most girls would love to be able hit as far them at any age.

 

I've seen Alexa Pano practice and yes she is not what I would call long for an elite player. I personally think they both will need more yardage if there going to compete in the LPGA on a higher level. Don't get me wrong they have enough yards now to probably play on the LPGA but from what I can see they will struggle compared to the leaders based on far they hit the ball.

 

Did you know that the average driving distance on the LPGA is 218 yards? Mean Driving distance is 255 yards.

 

Aren't "average" and "mean" the same thing?

 

Took it from this. Think they meant median.

 

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1335156-so-whats-the-truth-about-lpga-driving-distance/

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Was listening to the new branded chambelee podcast. He thinks what separates the elite players is iron play. I assume he means shots gained approach.

 

Also - season average driving distance is misleading. Looked at driving distance of the leaderboard for this past farmer’s tourney and it’s clear that distance off the tee on a round-to-round basis has a huge correlation to leaderboard position (there were some shorter hitters that did have good GIR% but overall, there seems to be a correlation between GIR% and distance off the tee).

 

For juniors - I’m going to revise my order of importance. I think it’s driving distance, ball striking on approach shots, short game, putting (in that order). I don’t think juniors have the power to spray tee shots to the point it really affects their score over a multi-day tourney. Putting gains from best to worst once you get to a certain level of junior play becomes minimal in my opinion.

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Alexa Pano and Lucy Li I would still say are long compared to the average girl the same age. Maybe long not on a national level with other girls who are also much much longer than most women will ever be They also hit it far enough to play at the levels they are playing. Most girls would love to be able hit as far them at any age.

 

I've seen Alexa Pano practice and yes she is not what I would call long for an elite player. I personally think they both will need more yardage if there going to compete in the LPGA on a higher level. Don't get me wrong they have enough yards now to probably play on the LPGA but from what I can see they will struggle compared to the leaders based on far they hit the ball.

 

Did you know that the average driving distance on the LPGA is 218 yards? Mean Driving distance is 255 yards.

 

Aren't "average" and "mean" the same thing?

 

Took it from this. Think they meant median.

 

http://www.golfwrx.c...iving-distance/

 

I officiate a number of amateur, college, and junior Women's event yearly.

 

Last summer, I saw Li driving it 250 at Country Club of Tennessee, long enough for success.. 2 weeks ago, at the South Atlantic Amateur I saw Pano hit a 490 yard par 5 over water with a hybrid. Could be wrong, but the 4-5 holes I saw her, she looked very long, 260-270.

 

In other words, both have the distance needed. All depends on how accurate you are from fairway, no matter what club you are holding in your hands.

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Alexa Pano and Lucy Li I would still say are long compared to the average girl the same age. Maybe long not on a national level with other girls who are also much much longer than most women will ever be They also hit it far enough to play at the levels they are playing. Most girls would love to be able hit as far them at any age.

 

I've seen Alexa Pano practice and yes she is not what I would call long for an elite player. I personally think they both will need more yardage if there going to compete in the LPGA on a higher level. Don't get me wrong they have enough yards now to probably play on the LPGA but from what I can see they will struggle compared to the leaders based on far they hit the ball.

 

Did you know that the average driving distance on the LPGA is 218 yards? Mean Driving distance is 255 yards.

 

Aren't "average" and "mean" the same thing?

 

Took it from this. Think they meant median.

 

http://www.golfwrx.c...iving-distance/

 

I officiate a number of amateur, college, and junior Women's event yearly.

 

Last summer, I saw Li driving it 250 at Country Club of Tennessee, long enough for success.. 2 weeks ago, at the South Atlantic Amateur I saw Pano hit a 490 yard par 5 over water with a hybrid. Could be wrong, but the 4-5 holes I saw her, she looked very long, 260-270.

 

In other words, both have the distance needed. All depends on how accurate you are from fairway, no matter what club you are holding in your hands.

 

Pano is middle of the pack on the LPGA in distance.

 

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Was listening to the new branded chambelee podcast. He thinks what separates the elite players is iron play. I assume he means shots gained approach.

 

Also - season average driving distance is misleading. Looked at driving distance of the leaderboard for this past farmer's tourney and it's clear that distance off the tee on a round-to-round basis has a huge correlation to leaderboard position (there were some shorter hitters that did have good GIR% but overall, there seems to be a correlation between GIR% and distance off the tee).

 

For juniors - I'm going to revise my order of importance. I think it's driving distance, ball striking on approach shots, short game, putting (in that order). I don't think juniors have the power to spray tee shots to the point it really affects their score over a multi-day tourney. Putting gains from best to worst once you get to a certain level of junior play becomes minimal in my opinion.

 

Depends on the level of junior golf and what age. My daughter drives it great for her age, hit enough GIR, but putts like crap thus scores like crap. I put more weight in putting than any other part at most level of junior or kdis golf.

 

being long off the tee can make the game a lot easier but you have to have other parts to make it all come together. Who cares if you drive green if you 4 putt.

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Was listening to the new branded chambelee podcast. He thinks what separates the elite players is iron play. I assume he means shots gained approach.

 

Also - season average driving distance is misleading. Looked at driving distance of the leaderboard for this past farmer's tourney and it's clear that distance off the tee on a round-to-round basis has a huge correlation to leaderboard position (there were some shorter hitters that did have good GIR% but overall, there seems to be a correlation between GIR% and distance off the tee).

 

For juniors - I'm going to revise my order of importance. I think it's driving distance, ball striking on approach shots, short game, putting (in that order). I don't think juniors have the power to spray tee shots to the point it really affects their score over a multi-day tourney. Putting gains from best to worst once you get to a certain level of junior play becomes minimal in my opinion.

 

Depends on the level of junior golf and what age. My daughter drives it great for her age, hit enough GIR, but putts like crap thus scores like crap. I put more weight in putting than any other part at most level of junior or kdis golf.

 

being long off the tee can make the game a lot easier but you have to have other parts to make it all come together. Who cares if you drive green if you 4 putt.

 

But most players that are long off the tee have a high level of golf competence.

 

And in case any of you missed it read on...

 

http://www.golfwrx.c...tm_content=main

 

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Was listening to the new branded chambelee podcast. He thinks what separates the elite players is iron play. I assume he means shots gained approach.

 

Also - season average driving distance is misleading. Looked at driving distance of the leaderboard for this past farmer's tourney and it's clear that distance off the tee on a round-to-round basis has a huge correlation to leaderboard position (there were some shorter hitters that did have good GIR% but overall, there seems to be a correlation between GIR% and distance off the tee).

 

For juniors - I'm going to revise my order of importance. I think it's driving distance, ball striking on approach shots, short game, putting (in that order). I don't think juniors have the power to spray tee shots to the point it really affects their score over a multi-day tourney. Putting gains from best to worst once you get to a certain level of junior play becomes minimal in my opinion.

 

Depends on the level of junior golf and what age. My daughter drives it great for her age, hit enough GIR, but putts like crap thus scores like crap. I put more weight in putting than any other part at most level of junior or kdis golf.

 

being long off the tee can make the game a lot easier but you have to have other parts to make it all come together. Who cares if you drive green if you 4 putt.

 

The younger they are the easier it for them to hit the driver far enough. Let's take girls under 10 most them them can hit over 150 yards just on technique. At this age any kid who practices enough and buys the correct equipment can and will drive far enough.

 

The difference at this age is putting. Once they get older things change. From what I can tell 11-12 is where this start to see a big difference with girls. Some kids just hit the ball much faster than others. I would say this is a big reason you see another drop off in juniors at around 13-14 because some simply can't drive the ball.

 

 

Until you can hit you irons enough to stop on the green. There is big difference in play once a kid can actually drive far. For instance can they hit a hybrid off the tee to avoid trouble then use a 5 iron to the green and have the ball stop. You have have a certain amount of power for that to happen.

 

You also have to learn to control that power. Kids that 11-12 (or least girls ) you start to see ones who are lot more powerful than others. Some kids in this age group still do well at these younger but they don't have the power and quite frankly I don't think they ever will. It pretty obvious when you see it.

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The 218 number is carry. LPGA average is around 247 yards total. There are less than 10 girls out there who consistently fly the ball 250 yards.

 

Distance is important up to a point but there is a point of diminishing returns. The ability to hit a lot of greens is huge. Mechanics play a part but so does a players decision making and awareness level. My top juniors average 75% GIR or more. It not only makes scoring low possible/probable it also massively decreases the possibility of shooting high scores

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      Jake Knapp (KnappTime_ltd) - WITB - - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Super Stoke Pistol Lock 1.0 & 2.0 grips - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      LA Golf new insert putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Garsen Quad Tour 15 grip - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Swag covers - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jacob Bridgeman's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Bud Cauley's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Ryo Hisatsune's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Chris Kirk - new black Callaway Apex CB irons and a few Odyssey putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alejandro Tosti's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #3
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put and questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Monday #1
      2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Monday #2
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Ben Taylor - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Garrick Higgo - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Billy Horschel - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Justin Lower - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Lanto Griffin - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Bud Cauley - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Corbin Burnes (2021 NL Cy Young) - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Greyson Sigg - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Charley Hoffman - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Nico Echavarria - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Victor Perez - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Sami Valimaki - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Ryo Hisatsune - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
       
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Jake Knapp's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      New Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Tyler Duncan's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Greyson Sigg's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Sunjae Im's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Ping's Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Vincent Whaley's custom Cameron - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Odyssey Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Super Stroke custom grips - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Zac Blair's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Bettinardi Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
       
       
       
       
       
       

       
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