Could Augusta National Have a Local Rule Banning Leaving the Pin In?

herdmanherdman Members Posts: 714 ✭✭
We were talking yesterday during out round about this? I wonder what Augusta National thinks of this rule? Could they make a local rule requiring the pin to be removed when putting?
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  • nsxguynsxguy Just anudder user FloridaMembers Posts: 5,947 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Feb 3, 2019 2:21pm #2
    herdman wrote:


    We were talking yesterday during out round about this? I wonder what Augusta National thinks of this rule? Could they make a local rule requiring the pin to be removed when putting?




    Nope. Don't think so.
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  • herdmanherdman Members Posts: 714 ✭✭
    nsxguy wrote:

    herdman wrote:


    We were talking yesterday during out round about this? I wonder what Augusta National thinks of this rule? Could they make a local rule requiring the pin to be removed when putting?




    Nope. Don't think so.




    I don't think so either. I bet they are not happy about it. There are clear advantages to it. I witnessed it twice yesterday. Saved a guy a par and a birdie.
  • imakaveliimakaveli Moli Moli Moli Moli Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy... Members Posts: 12,995 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I really hope so, ANGC should step up against this mess.
  • mjen43mjen43 Members Posts: 979 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sure they can.
  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,671 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Why can't they? Isn't it an independent tournament? Or has that changed. I thought it wasn't an "official" tour event
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  • Ashley SchaefferAshley Schaeffer Members Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I thought ANGC could make any rule it wanted for the Masters. Like no woods, and everyone has to hit one shot with the grip end. I don't think the USGA has a say, which is nice.
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  • imakaveliimakaveli Moli Moli Moli Moli Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy... Members Posts: 12,995 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭


    I thought ANGC could make any rule it wanted for the Masters. Like no woods, and everyone has to hit one shot with the grip end. I don't think the USGA has a say, which is nice.




    Thank god the only Major USGA has a saying is the US Open...
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    Why would they possibly care?
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  • Ashley SchaefferAshley Schaeffer Members Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    imakaveli wrote:



    I thought ANGC could make any rule it wanted for the Masters. Like no woods, and everyone has to hit one shot with the grip end. I don't think the USGA has a say, which is nice.




    Thank god the only Major USGA has a saying is the US Open...




    Agreed.
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  • KrazyTrain18KrazyTrain18 Members Posts: 3,223 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Sure they could, but I doubt they will. Augusta has been softening up over the past many years and I can't see them caring too much for a local rule.
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  • GolfnutgalenGolfnutgalen Members Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I thought the PGA Tour would have made it a rule for all tournaments. As it is, there's nothing they can do about it.
  • turtlekcturtlekc 1995 MN PGA WisconsinClubWRX Posts: 12,782 ClubWRX
    Does anybody really think Fred Ridley is going to turn his back on the USGA?
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  • Darth PutterDarth Putter Members Posts: 5,399 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    imakaveli wrote:



    I thought ANGC could make any rule it wanted for the Masters. Like no woods, and everyone has to hit one shot with the grip end. I don't think the USGA has a say, which is nice.




    Thank god the only Major USGA has a saying is the US Open...




    It's the R&A's rule too.
    swing is irrelevant, score is everything

    just say NO.... to practice swings
  • Darth PutterDarth Putter Members Posts: 5,399 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭


    I thought the PGA Tour would have made it a rule for all tournaments. As it is, there's nothing they can do about it.




    The PGA Tour could go back to the old rule if they wanted to tomorrow.



    They won't.





    From Mr. Ridley's public comments, it seems The Masters will allow the pin to stay in this year.
    swing is irrelevant, score is everything

    just say NO.... to practice swings
  • BrianMcGBrianMcG Members Posts: 2,369 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Feb 3, 2019 2:46pm #16
    Augusta National could start making them throw golf disks and ride a bike 100 miles if they wanted to. But I doubt they will do anything. They have a drive, pitch and putt to concentrate on.
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  • Club GuruClub Guru Members Posts: 101 ✭✭
    edited Feb 3, 2019 2:46pm #17
    1. Augusta could use pins that aren’t conducive to keeping them in for putts if they want to negate this awful rule.

    2. I may puke if I see someone win the masters this year with a putt on 18 that clanks in off the flag stick.
  • MaximilianMaximilian Members Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭✭✭✭


    Why would they possibly care?


    Trying to figure this out too.
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    Cliff Roberts probably would have, but he’s been dead for almost 40 years.
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  • OldTomMorrisOldTomMorris Edinburgh, ScotlandMembers Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Of course they could but I don't think they will.
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  • herdmanherdman Members Posts: 714 ✭✭
    Maximilian wrote:



    Why would they possibly care?


    Trying to figure this out too.




    Somebody clanks one in coming down the stretch or the 18th hole to win the Masters.
  • OldTomMorrisOldTomMorris Edinburgh, ScotlandMembers Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    herdman wrote:

    Maximilian wrote:



    Why would they possibly care?


    Trying to figure this out too.




    Somebody clanks one in coming down the stretch or the 18th hole to win the Masters.




    Above the hole on 9 from any distance at all and the flag is left in possibly even used as a backstop.
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  • imakaveliimakaveli Moli Moli Moli Moli Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy... Members Posts: 12,995 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    imakaveli wrote:



    I thought ANGC could make any rule it wanted for the Masters. Like no woods, and everyone has to hit one shot with the grip end. I don't think the USGA has a say, which is nice.




    Thank god the only Major USGA has a saying is the US Open...




    It's the R&A's rule too.




    You should read my post again...
  • MaximilianMaximilian Members Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    herdman wrote:

    Maximilian wrote:



    Why would they possibly care?


    Trying to figure this out too.




    Somebody clanks one in coming down the stretch or the 18th hole to win the Masters.




    Above the hole on 9 from any distance at all and the flag is left in possibly even used as a backstop.




    You are right, it will be beneficial to keep the flag in on some putts. Still don’t know why that matters if it’s the same for everyone? Or more particularly why the folks at Augusta would care?



    What I do hate is how good approach shots can be severely punished by hitting the flag. Should substitute flags for lazer beams, but guess that’s hoping for too much. :-)



    And for what it’s worth, I haven’t removed the flag once since New Years. Best rules change ever!
  • gvogelgvogel Members Posts: 7,730 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    kevcarter wrote:


    Does anybody really think Fred Ridley is going to turn his back on the USGA?




    Right. Besides Fred Ridley, there are probably a few other USGA guys, or ex-USGA guys who are members at ANGC.
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  • turtlekcturtlekc 1995 MN PGA WisconsinClubWRX Posts: 12,782 ClubWRX
    gvogel wrote:

    kevcarter wrote:


    Does anybody really think Fred Ridley is going to turn his back on the USGA?




    Right. Besides Fred Ridley, there are probably a few other USGA guys, or ex-USGA guys who are members at ANGC.




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  • rangersgoalierangersgoalie Members Posts: 1,834 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    With the number of current and former USGA guys that are members, to think the USGA does t hold influence seems a bit too hopeful
  • rangersgoalierangersgoalie Members Posts: 1,834 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Club Guru wrote:


    1. Augusta could use pins that aren’t conducive to keeping them in for putts if they want to negate this awful rule.

    2. I may puke if I see someone win the masters this year with a putt on 18 that clanks in off the flag stick.




    Augusta is about tv



    Less clutter of guys standing on green blocking tv and the patrons is a benefit of the rule
  • OldTomMorrisOldTomMorris Edinburgh, ScotlandMembers Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Maximilian wrote:


    why the folks at Augusta would care?




    Some people believe in certain circumstances being able to leave the pin in will eliminate the need for skill. They might agree with this idea or simply they might not like the optics of the flag in.



    I think its highly unlikely that they do anything about the rule.
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  • MaximilianMaximilian Members Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Maximilian wrote:


    why the folks at Augusta would care?


    They might agree with this idea or simply they might not like the optics of the flag in.


    I think they would love the optics of having their yellow flag in the center of the picture of the winning putt! :-)
  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Countdown to The Open Championship! IowaClubWRX Posts: 18,283 ClubWRX
    kevcarter wrote:


    Does anybody really think Fred Ridley is going to turn his back on the USGA?




    LOL, no and not just because he has a lot of good reasons to support the USGA. USGA is one of the founding partners of Drive, Chip & Putt, both AN and USGA involved in other initiatives over the years.

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