Never giving up and college coaches

[tiger1873]

One of the things I notice and hear how you have to game rankings. While some of that is sadly true. Most think if you have a bad round you should withdraw. That doesn't help you in rankings because of the way they work. Bad first round and then WD without a valid reason I believe is going to hurt more in the long run.

 

Actually if have you a bad first round wouldn't having a great second round be a huge positive to most coaches. I would think for college coaches doing better on the second day constantly is very important.

 

I have a feeling this a big aspect that coaches read in between the lines. I don't know maybe I am wrong on this.

[darter79]

if I were a college coach and saw a lot of first rounds scores that here higher and WD the next. I would walk away. Shows me you are a quitter. Its gets hard you walk away. I surely hope this isn't a real thing out there.

[tiger1873]

if I were a college coach and saw a lot of first rounds scores that here higher and WD the next. I would walk away. Shows me you are a quitter. Its gets hard you walk away. I surely hope this isn't a real thing out there.

 

You would be surprised at people to find a lot people thinks this helps. I think at one time it did because unless you completed a round it was not reported. However they do report it now.

 

The other loophole is a bad second round they withdraw but I think that is obvious too. If you start a tournament unless you have a valid reason I would think your better off finishing.

[heavy_hitter]

if I were a college coach and saw a lot of first rounds scores that here higher and WD the next. I would walk away. Shows me you are a quitter. Its gets hard you walk away. I surely hope this isn't a real thing out there.

 

You would be surprised at people to find a lot people thinks this helps. I think at one time it did because unless you completed a round it was not reported. However they do report it now.

 

The other loophole is a bad second round they withdraw but I think that is obvious too. If you start a tournament unless you have a valid reason you better finish.

 

If it is a legit injury, a lot of directors won't report it JGS.

 

College coaches aren't stupid. They want to see bad rounds. They stay away from kids with WD, NC, for the most part.

[Pinewood Golfer]

One of the things I notice and hear how you have to game rankings. While some of that is sadly true. Most think if you have a bad round you should withdraw. That doesn't help you in rankings because of the way they work. Bad first round and then WD without a valid reason I believe is going to hurt more in the long run.

 

Actually if have you a bad first round wouldn't having a great second round be a huge positive to most coaches. I would think for college coaches doing better on the second day constantly is very important.

 

I have a feeling this a big aspect that coaches read in between the lines. I don't know maybe I am wrong on this.

 

JGS records all fcompleted and finished rounds and take the top 75% of them. If you play a crappy round and WD then all it accomplishes is adding a crappy round to your list. If you’re playing poorly and confident that you’re going to have another crappy round then keeping that off would, I guess, help. But if you follow it with a good round, possibly even a great round, then it can actually help. You’re gonna have throw away scores (25% of them, actually).

 

JGS doesn’t punish for poor finishes. They do, however, reward top finishes. They also reward field strength and if you play crappy in a highly rated event and WD then you won’t get the field strength benefit, which hurts.

 

AJGA doesn’t factor in score—only finish. And you get the same number of points (0) for a WD as you do a crappy finish.

 

Golfweek looks only at who you beat and who beats you on a round by round basis, as well as your score relative to others, again, on a round by round basis. So, WD’ing after a crappy round only ensures a crappy relative score and opponent record for that day without giving yourself the chance to make up for it the next day.

 

So, WD’ing after a bad round isn’t helpful unless your confident the crappy play will just continue. And it looks bad to have a bunch of WD’s on the resume

[leezer99]

Quick Twitter thread on this from Ryan Frazer

 

https://twitter.com/AgoraGolf/status/1575580904290156544?s=20&t=qoyJRjKl_E7EWQZwGHXU7g

[Wham49]

On 2/6/2019 at 5:28 AM, darter79 said:

if I were a college coach and saw a lot of first rounds scores that here higher and WD the next. I would walk away. Shows me you are a quitter. Its gets hard you walk away. I surely hope this isn't a real thing out there.

I had a long talk with my 12 year old daughter yesterday after a practice round about not quitting but giving up on a hole, if she struggles on a hole she gives up and her score balloons, I had an example of her tourney tours championship round a month ago when she clearly gave up on a hole and threw strokes away only to find out she was out of 3rd by 2 strokes which really made her mad. It happened yesterday so I used it as a teaching tool In golf you can always make things up, that was the talk never throw a stroke away becasue it can come back to hurt you, WD tournaments is in the same vein especially iin youth events, seen some crazy things happen, always finish, and yes If I was a college coach and a kid WD becasue of a bad round I would move on, shows bad character.

[TripleBogeysrbetter]

Only let my daughter WD on the second round once.  Round one she is was fine and score well but the hail was hitting her in the head and screwing up her line on the greens.  I #^$% to the tourney Dir that he should call it.  Told me I dont know crap.  Daughter was sick that night that from slow play and sub 40 temps.  Text the tourney director my choice words.

 

I actually have a picture and you can see the hail.

 

[rflores2323]

So I agree with the statement that coaches like to see a comeback round.  We have spoken to several coaches that said this.  My daughter played her worst competitive round ever after June 15th (date that D1 coaches can start recruiting and calling etc..).  She shot an 87 at the first tee national championship and was in last place.  I was livid... lol.  But my wife was there to help calm the situation.  I was thinking of of pulling her out the tournament as she was all over the place and just not playing anything like herself.  My wife made the decision to skip the golf events that night and we had a dinner at a haunted mansion instead.  We put a time limit of 30 min to discuss golf and that was it. We also said we wouldn't discuss the round but what had to be done going forward.  My daughter finally told us that she was overwhelmed with the recruiting process. 

 

She wasn't thinking of her golf game.. but what coach she had to call or text back.. and that affected her big time.  We changed her mindset that this process was a blessing and she had to trust her game.  She shot 70-71 and didn't give a stroke back to the field and finished 11 out of 22 girls.  I say this because alot of the coaches commented to her that her program recruiting position actually went up due to this.   It showed she could handle adversity and mental game.   

 

So I would not recommend to withdraw from a tournament unless it was an illness etc..  coaches do notice! 

[MahalNeneng]

if you turn in that card its going on JGS. It may not affect your differential (75% best) but the 83* WD is gonna jump off the page to the coach and it hangs around your neck for a year.... much rather see 83-72. Keep in mind that the coaches are coming in from the perspective of team and individual. You travel they need that score for the team, you cant just wd your way around, the team needs that bounceback.