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Is the Pro V1 in trouble?

 Danny Choo ·  
Danny ChooDanny Choo  144Members Posts: 144
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Titliest is never shy about the number of players playing the Pro V1 and Pro V1X on tour. Titliest is getting stiff competition and other balls are side by side on the PGA tour with wins this year. Will Titliest lose their grip on the golf ball market due to manufacturers proving they are just as good or better? YTD below tour results with winners ball.



Safeway open- Kevin Tway Pro V1

Cimb classic- Mark leishmania Chrome soft

CJ cup-Brooks Koepka Pro V1

Wgc-hsbc championship- Xander Schauffele Chrome soft

Sanderson farms- Cameron Champ Srixon Z star

Shriners- Bryson Dechambeau Bridgestone BX

OHL classic- Matt Kuchar Bridgestone BX

RSM classic- Charles Howell III Pro V1

Hero world challenge- John Rahm TP5

Tournament of champions- Xander Schauffele Chrome soft

Sony Open- Matt Kuchar bridgestone BX

Career builder challenge- A. Long Pro V1

Farmers insurance- Justin Rose Tp5

Phoenix open- Ricky FowlerTP5

Attached pebble beach- Phil Mickelson chrome soft



Titliest-4

Callaway-4

Taylormade-3

Bridgestone-3

Srixon-1



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  • GHIN n JuiceGHIN n Juice Wingpointe GC...Never Forgotten  1754Members Posts: 1,754
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    They may lose some market share but they are still the number one ball played on all major tours, college tournaments, major amateur tournaments, and are arguably the most recognized name in golf balls. I think their status is secure.
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  • GSDriverGSDriver  716Members Posts: 716
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    I haven't played a ProV1 I haven't found in close to 10 years, maybe longer.



    Marketing only goes so far, still can't convince me that a ProV1 @ $4+ a ball, is that much, if any, better than those I get for $3 or less.



    I wonder how many PGA guys play Titleist cuz they're paid to do so? Those guys are good enough, and ball performance close enough across OEMs, that they could likely win with about any brand (except Volvik, as Bubba clearly demonstrated)
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  • augustgolfaugustgolf Golf with dignity Coastal NC 3939Members Posts: 3,939
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    At one point in time, Sears Roebuck & Company was the #1 retailer in the US, and also had the largest availability of products for delivery, via catalog/phone sales.



    And, I'm sure that there were those who said that Sears was never going to go away.



    The only thing certain is the uncertainty of how things turn out, whether in business or sports.
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  • Albatross_seekerAlbatross_seeker Old F*rt  14Members Posts: 14
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    I heard from inside Titleist, they are switching the characteristics so the ProV1 will be the primary choice, the Pro V will go and the AVX will stay. There is evidence that they are doing this.



    As for being the best ball?



    There are so many balls to play that are high quality. Pro V is #1 in US because Titleist sponsors so many fledgling pros at the beginning of their careers.



    That is also changing.



    Loyalties change and the ROW does not have the same allegiance to Titleist as Americans do. Look at the LPGA, very international, many balls in play,the men are becoming more that way, but Collegiate NCAA golf is just slowing it a bit, that's all.
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  • larciellarciel I play for eagle  2414Members Posts: 2,414
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    I wanna see the numbers.



    market share of v1/x went from 55% to 35%? I'm just speculating. Until then, it is what it is, just speculation.
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  • MarkripMarkrip Boss fan 62  1708Members Posts: 1,708
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    Must be the inferior talent they keep signing.
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  • GolfingDad44GolfingDad44  89Members Posts: 89
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    If you keep trying to be innovative and a market leader, I don't see how or why the ProV1 wont be the top ball for years to come. Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't they the #1 ball before the ProV1 too?
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  • RSinSGRSinSG St George, UT (Formerly Palm Springs, CA) 3295ClubWRX Posts: 3,295
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    I'm pretty sure it's because of the K-Sigs.
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  • Mr. GrumpyMr. Grumpy The Quintana Changeup, sit em dwn  2467Members Posts: 2,467
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    Other ball makers are stepping up their game,, and sometimes the result is comparable for less money.. Only so far you can go with it..
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  • GolfingDad44GolfingDad44  89Members Posts: 89
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    Simple answer is who's going to release the next truly innovative ball? I like that Titliest offered the AVX ball. It's a sign that they aren't sitting back with the ProV1 and waiting for someone to overtake them.
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  • wfrogge1wfrogge1  1259Members Posts: 1,259
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    I heard from inside Titleist, they are switching the characteristics so the ProV1 will be the primary choice, the Pro V will go and the AVX will stay. There is evidence that they are doing this.








    The ProV1x and AVX are on completely different ends of the spectrum from each other so I don't see this happening
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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky  1977Members Posts: 1,977
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    As of October titleist had 45% market share down 1%, Callaway had 16% down 1% Tm and Bridgestone had 10% each up 1% each.



    It’s going to be awhile before anyone catches titleist market share. TM or Bridgestone probavky carch Callaway before anyone them really cut into titleist
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  • jwb10jwb10 Major Winner Mars 1022Members Posts: 1,022
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    Danny Choo wrote:


    Titliest is never shy about the number of players playing the Pro V1 and Pro V1X on tour. Titliest is getting stiff competition and other balls are side by side on the PGA tour with wins this year. Will Titliest lose their grip on the golf ball market due to manufacturers proving they are just as good or better? YTD below tour results with winners ball.



    Safeway open- Kevin Tway Pro V1

    Cimb classic- Mark leishmania Chrome soft

    CJ cup-Brooks Koepka Pro V1

    Wgc-hsbc championship- Xander Schauffele Chrome soft

    Sanderson farms- Cameron Champ Srixon Z star

    Shriners- Bryson Dechambeau Bridgestone BX

    OHL classic- Matt Kuchar Bridgestone BX

    RSM classic- Charles Howell III Pro V1

    Hero world challenge- John Rahm TP5

    Tournament of champions- Xander Schauffele Chrome soft

    Sony Open- Matt Kuchar bridgestone BX

    Career builder challenge- A. Long Pro V1

    Farmers insurance- Justin Rose Tp5

    Phoenix open- Ricky FowlerTP5

    Attached pebble beach- Phil Mickelson chrome soft



    Titliest-4

    Callaway-4

    Taylormade-3

    Bridgestone-3

    Srixon-1


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    Noooo !!! image/swoon.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':swoon:' />
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  • larciellarciel I play for eagle  2414Members Posts: 2,414
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    GoGoErky wrote:


    As of October titleist had 45% market share down 1%, Callaway had 16% down 1% Tm and Bridgestone had 10% each up 1% each.



    It's going to be awhile before anyone catches titleist market share. TM or Bridgestone probavky carch Callaway before anyone them really cut into titleist




    Totally within margin of error. i.e. TItleist is doing fine.
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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky  1977Members Posts: 1,977
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    larciel wrote:

    GoGoErky wrote:


    As of October titleist had 45% market share down 1%, Callaway had 16% down 1% Tm and Bridgestone had 10% each up 1% each.



    It's going to be awhile before anyone catches titleist market share. TM or Bridgestone probavky carch Callaway before anyone them really cut into titleist




    Totally within margin of error. i.e. TItleist is doing fine.




    Yep and with the yellow prov1 1x that should draw some golfers in
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  • glmglm  247Members Posts: 247
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    There's only so much you can do with a golf ball. All of the manufacturers should have that figured out by now don't you think.
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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky  1977Members Posts: 1,977
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    glm wrote:


    There's only so much you can do with a golf ball. All of the manufacturers should have that figured out by now don't you think.




    There may only be so many things that can be done but there’s lots of ways to do them.
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  • Nixhex524Nixhex524  4337ClubWRX Posts: 4,337
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    If they keep paying the most players, I don't see how they can be in trouble.
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  • Josh L.Josh L.  402Members Posts: 402
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    Thats a pretty small sample size, why don't we wait and see how more of the season plays out before we jump to conclusions like Titleist being in trouble because out of 15 events they've only had their ball win 4 times.
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  • Bushwood Country ClubBushwood Country Club Bushwood Country Club  863Members Posts: 863
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    I heard from inside Titleist, they are switching the characteristics so the ProV1 will be the primary choice, the Pro V will go and the AVX will stay. There is evidence that they are doing this.



    As for being the best ball?



    There are so many balls to play that are high quality. Pro V is #1 in US because Titleist sponsors so many fledgling pros at the beginning of their careers.



    That is also changing.



    Loyalties change and the ROW does not have the same allegiance to Titleist as Americans do. Look at the LPGA, very international, many balls in play,the men are becoming more that way, but Collegiate NCAA golf is just slowing it a bit, that's all.
    did you even read this before you posted it? What does “ Pro v will go away but Pro v1 will stay” even mean? You heard ‘from inside titleist” but you don’t even know what the correct name of the ball is? I think the short bus is waiting for you at the curb... please, don’t post pure speculative bs masquerading as fact...
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  • Big BenBig Ben  9239Members Posts: 9,239
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    ProV1 will have dominant market share for sure but is it still the best ball? Lots of nice choices these days for peeps willing to test the waters. Now if your idea of buying balls is walking into the Club Pro shop and putting them on the tab ProV’s will get the nod. For me, I’m rolling 6dz Snell Reds @ $165 beans and saving my money for the bets!
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  • SEP1006SEP1006 Pearland, Tx. 1149ClubWRX Posts: 1,149
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    Mr. Grumpy wrote:


    Other ball makers are stepping up their game,, and sometimes the result is comparable for less money.. Only so far you can go with it..








    One word, SNELL
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  • jjfcpajjfcpa Driver - Tour Edge EXS 10.5 Omaha, NE 621Members Posts: 621
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    Anyone seen head-to-head Snell MTB Black vs ProV1 or MTB Red vs ProV1x? I'd put money on Snell.
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  • North TexasNorth Texas  4487Members Posts: 4,487
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    I heard from inside Titleist, they are switching the characteristics so the ProV1 will be the primary choice, the Pro V will go and the AVX will stay. There is evidence that they are doing this.



    As for being the best ball?



    There are so many balls to play that are high quality. Pro V is #1 in US because Titleist sponsors so many fledgling pros at the beginning of their careers.



    That is also changing.



    Loyalties change and the ROW does not have the same allegiance to Titleist as Americans do. Look at the LPGA, very international, many balls in play,the men are becoming more that way, but Collegiate NCAA golf is just slowing it a bit, that's all.
    did you even read this before you posted it? What does “ Pro v will go away but Pro v1 will stay” even mean? You heard ‘from inside titleist” but you don’t even know what the correct name of the ball is? I think the short bus is waiting for you at the curb... please, don’t post pure speculative bs masquerading as fact...




    Got to admit, I was a little confused by what he said as well.
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  • North TexasNorth Texas  4487Members Posts: 4,487
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    BTW, the ball count at Pebble was 74% using Titleist. Just saying.
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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky  1977Members Posts: 1,977
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    BTW, the ball count at Pebble was 74% using Titleist. Just saying.




    I believe at WM it was 72% and nearest competitor 12%
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  • GolfingDad44GolfingDad44  89Members Posts: 89
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    GoGoErky wrote:



    BTW, the ball count at Pebble was 74% using Titleist. Just saying.




    I believe at WM it was 72% and nearest competitor 12%




    Interesting stats but the OP was only citing "wins" by brand as a point for the ProV1 to be potentially in troube. This is different from ball count on tour (which Titleist clearly dominates). I think the ball count on tour clearly shows there is no issue with the ProV1 tour usage. I'd be curious to see how the consumer market looks but I'd be willing to be the ProV1 still dominates and could be taking some market share back with the yellow ball next month.
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  • ChrisGio315ChrisGio315  447Members Posts: 447
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    Ive tried a lot of different balls in my short time playing the game...For consistency of quality, I always feel confident gaming a Titleist ball. Also, for me, price doesnt play a factor. Balls are expensive so DONT LOSE THEM!
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  • North TexasNorth Texas  4487Members Posts: 4,487
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    GoGoErky wrote:



    BTW, the ball count at Pebble was 74% using Titleist. Just saying.




    I believe at WM it was 72% and nearest competitor 12%




    Interesting stats but the OP was only citing "wins" by brand as a point for the ProV1 to be potentially in troube. This is different from ball count on tour (which Titleist clearly dominates). I think the ball count on tour clearly shows there is no issue with the ProV1 tour usage. I'd be curious to see how the consumer market looks but I'd be willing to be the ProV1 still dominates and could be taking some market share back with the yellow ball next month.




    Another way to look at what the OP is saying, is that more players have used Titleist to win than any other ball at this point. Meaning 4 different players have used Titleist while only 3 different players have used Callaway and TaylorMade. That's about as meaningless as what the OP is trying to say.
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