Single Length Updates (post'em up!)

[stormbringer]

I just purchased a as new set of Cobra F7 One Length 4-PW with KBS V shafts. Only been to the range 3 times (snow still here in Utah) but thus far I like them. Read that the 4 iron would be very difficult to hit. That has not been my experience so far. Not much trouble getting used to the 8-PW being longer and I do like the 6-4 being shorter.

 

Will report more when I have a chance to hit them. I doubt I will change out my wedges to single length.

 

Mike.

[pappaf2]

I just purchased a as new set of Cobra F7 One Length 4-PW with KBS V shafts. Only been to the range 3 times (snow still here in Utah) but thus far I like them. Read that the 4 iron would be very difficult to hit. That has not been my experience so far. Not much trouble getting used to the 8-PW being longer and I do like the 6-4 being shorter.

 

Will report more when I have a chance to hit them. I doubt I will change out my wedges to single length.

 

Mike.

 

I think they say the 4 iron is hard to hit based on club head speed. If you don't swing a 7 iron length club in the upper 80's or higher then 4 and 5 OL irons are less likely to be beneficial as you won't get enough peak height and carry on them.

[pappaf2]

I got my Cobra OL 5 & 6 iron heads bent for loft and then shafted them up. The shop I took them too said the lofts of the irons off by a little from the factory (.5* and 1.5* weak respectively).

[stormbringer]

I just purchased a as new set of Cobra F7 One Length 4-PW with KBS V shafts. Only been to the range 3 times (snow still here in Utah) but thus far I like them. Read that the 4 iron would be very difficult to hit. That has not been my experience so far. Not much trouble getting used to the 8-PW being longer and I do like the 6-4 being shorter.

 

Will report more when I have a chance to hit them. I doubt I will change out my wedges to single length.

 

Mike.

 

I think they say the 4 iron is hard to hit based on club head speed. If you don't swing a 7 iron length club in the upper 80's or higher then 4 and 5 OL irons are less likely to be beneficial as you won't get enough peak height and carry on them.

 

I am a highball hitter and high spin player. Driver SS 105 at 54 years old. I am sure the 4 OL will spin less than my standard length Ping 4 HB and should be a nice option for a lower flight into the wind and off the tee since the loft is 20 degrees. With that said at the range with a slight change of ball position slightly up and more upright swing I could hit the OL 4 quite high and the 5 OL flight is right on the money for me with a regular setup and swing.

 

Looking forward to playing these asap.

 

Mike.

[extrastiff]

update on my shenanigans:

 

Im in love (with the 4 and 5 utility irons and the 6 forged OL) after a couple months of practice, but particularly after added the steelfiber shafts in there. it feels amazing,might actually be the best feeling club/shaft combo i have ever hit ( the 4 and 5 utilities), im getting plenty of spin, and 190+ is no issue with either of them. farther and more consistent than i normally am with long irons. lowest scores of my life.

 

there are in the bag for good. And I can officially recommend it.

[longoffthetees]

I've put a 2" piece of lead tape on the back of each iron and I'm hitting them even better. I've flattened my swing a bit and am getting some really good results. I'm getting more comfortable with my wedges as well.

 

Feeling like I may have my best golf season in many years with my current set-up.

[Aucaveman]

I've been team sl for a year now. I love the concept and have shot the lowest scores of my life with them. But, I broke out my 99 hogan apex blades and my scores haven't changed. Not sure if it's the shaft or the offset or what, but I hook the crap out of the sl. I always feel like I'm having to hold off the club. With the blades, I feel like I can just swing naturally. I've hit some shots with the blades and feel like the ball is 30 yards left, but ends up on the green. I'm about to get a bonus at work and I'm thinking about getting edels. I currently play cobra ftb and $2500 is alot for an experiment.

[bulls9999]

How different are the shafts on the 2 sets of irons? The reason I say that is this past year I got 'fitted' and went from ProModus105 (106 gm) stiff steel to Recoil 760 F3 (69gm, soft tip, Reg) graphite (yea, I know...almost 40-gm weight difference on top of a flex drop...I brought that argument up immediately, well that's another story). Well, I was snap hooking everything and cursed that fitter up-and-down for months. But I stuck with it, traded them out of my bag for several of my steel sets every few weeks, but kept trying at the graphites as I couldn't ignore being almost 2 clubs longer with them. Eventually, I found that if I setup with the irons with a neutral to open face, that I wouldn't hook anymore...kind of like the difference between driver set to draw mode (closed face) to using a driver with a square/open face. I had to play the softer flex differently to get the results I wanted. I wish the fitter would have discussed the likelihood of that with me.

 

I've been team sl for a year now. I love the concept and have shot the lowest scores of my life with them. But, I broke out my 99 hogan apex blades and my scores haven't changed. Not sure if it's the shaft or the offset or what, but I hook the crap out of the sl. I always feel like I'm having to hold off the club. With the blades, I feel like I can just swing naturally. I've hit some shots with the blades and feel like the ball is 30 yards left, but ends up on the green. I'm about to get a bonus at work and I'm thinking about getting edels. I currently play cobra ftb and $2500 is alot for an experiment.

[Aucaveman]

How different are the shafts on the 2 sets of irons? The reason I say that is this past year I got 'fitted' and went from ProModus105 (106 gm) stiff steel to Recoil 760 F3 (69gm, soft tip, Reg) graphite (yea, I know...almost 40-gm weight difference on top of a flex drop...I brought that argument up immediately, well that's another story). Well, I was snap hooking everything and cursed that fitter up-and-down for months. But I stuck with it, traded them out of my bag for several of my steel sets every few weeks, but kept trying at the graphites as I couldn't ignore being almost 2 clubs longer with them. Eventually, I found that if I setup with the irons with a neutral to open face, that I wouldn't hook anymore...kind of like the difference between driver set to draw mode (closed face) to using a driver with a square/open face. I had to play the softer flex differently to get the results I wanted. I wish the fitter would have discussed the likelihood of that with me.

 

I've been team sl for a year now. I love the concept and have shot the lowest scores of my life with them. But, I broke out my 99 hogan apex blades and my scores haven't changed. Not sure if it's the shaft or the offset or what, but I hook the crap out of the sl. I always feel like I'm having to hold off the club. With the blades, I feel like I can just swing naturally. I've hit some shots with the blades and feel like the ball is 30 yards left, but ends up on the green. I'm about to get a bonus at work and I'm thinking about getting edels. I currently play cobra ftb and $2500 is alot for an experiment.

 

Yes bull, you're spot on with everything. I was hitting s300s and developed a bad case of tennis elbow, so when I ordered the ftbs, I went with the recoil 780s in xs. Almost 40 grams difference. And again, I'm 2 clubs longer with the recoils just like you. I grew up playing blades and less offset just fits my eye. I'm a pretty good ball striker and I like less offset. Maybe it's mental but I feel like I hook them less and can aim them better. I've tried opening the face but again, in my mind, it screws me up and my ball striking suffers. I've shot 2 under with the recoils (which is my career low), but it doesn't feel natural having to hold the club off on every shot.

[bulls9999]

Aucaveman, and at the time I was getting fitted, I was also having a bout of 'tennis elbow' and that is why I didn't fend off the 40-gm/flex drop in the graphite shaft offering from the fitter. If my elbow/arm wasn't hurting, I might have argued more strongly against the softer shafts. And I too am starting to look at my 'next set' to be something where there is little to no offset myself....was thinking maybe Callaway or Titleist MB's? with the graphite shafts :-)

 

How different are the shafts on the 2 sets of irons? The reason I say that is this past year I got 'fitted' and went from ProModus105 (106 gm) stiff steel to Recoil 760 F3 (69gm, soft tip, Reg) graphite (yea, I know...almost 40-gm weight difference on top of a flex drop...I brought that argument up immediately, well that's another story). Well, I was snap hooking everything and cursed that fitter up-and-down for months. But I stuck with it, traded them out of my bag for several of my steel sets every few weeks, but kept trying at the graphites as I couldn't ignore being almost 2 clubs longer with them. Eventually, I found that if I setup with the irons with a neutral to open face, that I wouldn't hook anymore...kind of like the difference between driver set to draw mode (closed face) to using a driver with a square/open face. I had to play the softer flex differently to get the results I wanted. I wish the fitter would have discussed the likelihood of that with me.

 

I've been team sl for a year now. I love the concept and have shot the lowest scores of my life with them. But, I broke out my 99 hogan apex blades and my scores haven't changed. Not sure if it's the shaft or the offset or what, but I hook the crap out of the sl. I always feel like I'm having to hold off the club. With the blades, I feel like I can just swing naturally. I've hit some shots with the blades and feel like the ball is 30 yards left, but ends up on the green. I'm about to get a bonus at work and I'm thinking about getting edels. I currently play cobra ftb and $2500 is alot for an experiment.

 

Yes bull, you're spot on with everything. I was hitting s300s and developed a bad case of tennis elbow, so when I ordered the ftbs, I went with the recoil 780s in xs. Almost 40 grams difference. And again, I'm 2 clubs longer with the recoils just like you. I grew up playing blades and less offset just fits my eye. I'm a pretty good ball striker and I like less offset. Maybe it's mental but I feel like I hook them less and can aim them better. I've tried opening the face but again, in my mind, it screws me up and my ball striking suffers. I've shot 2 under with the recoils (which is my career low), but it doesn't feel natural having to hold the club off on every shot.

[g-off]

got my sand/12 iron in yesterday, of course looks like rain for the next week or so, will post thoughts when I can get back out again, did manage to add an epic flash driver also so looking forward to getting back out. Picked another hogan tk wedge head and spare paterson shaft gonna get it shafted up next week either 36.5 or 37 depending on how heavy it may turn out.

[mocokid]

toying with making up a set. Has anyone used a more stiff shaft short iron in SL? And a more soft tip for 5-6 irons? I know all shafts are supposed to be cut at 7 iron stiffness, but I'm thinking of getting graphite shafts, and hard stepping the 9-GW, and soft stepping 5-6 irons. What do you all think? Obviously, all lengths will stay the same.

[Pack7483]

toying with making up a set. Has anyone used a more stiff shaft short iron in SL? And a more soft tip for 5-6 irons? I know all shafts are supposed to be cut at 7 iron stiffness, but I'm thinking of getting graphite shafts, and hard stepping the 9-GW, and soft stepping 5-6 irons. What do you all think? Obviously, all lengths will stay the same.

 

Should work. This is basically what Cobra does now with the steel shafted F9s. They use 3 different weights throughout the set. Kbs 80 for long irons, kbs 90 for mid, and kbs wedge flex for the wedges.

[g-off]

they are costly I believe around $90 but edel is now offering the paderson sl shafts on their website

[Noke]

toying with making up a set. Has anyone used a more stiff shaft short iron in SL? And a more soft tip for 5-6 irons? I know all shafts are supposed to be cut at 7 iron stiffness, but I'm thinking of getting graphite shafts, and hard stepping the 9-GW, and soft stepping 5-6 irons. What do you all think? Obviously, all lengths will stay the same.

 

Wishon has said that shaft flex basically makes no difference in SL irons as the shaft length is too short. Shaft weight, however, will alter playing characteristics.

[Rohlio]

toying with making up a set. Has anyone used a more stiff shaft short iron in SL? And a more soft tip for 5-6 irons? I know all shafts are supposed to be cut at 7 iron stiffness, but I'm thinking of getting graphite shafts, and hard stepping the 9-GW, and soft stepping 5-6 irons. What do you all think? Obviously, all lengths will stay the same.

 

Wishon has said that shaft flex basically makes no difference in SL irons as the shaft length is too short. Shaft weight, however, will alter playing characteristics.

 

How on Earth can that be true? Pretty sure there is a difference between a Senior flex and an Xflex shaft in any 7 iron.

[pappaf2]

Finally got a chance to play a round with my F7 SL 5&6 irons mixed in with my VL set. First impressions, these are great! I love looking down at the shorter 5-6 irons. Much more confidence for me. I did hit a pretty wicked hook with the 5 iron when I put it to far forward in my stance and put a less than ideal swing on it. The sole grind on these irons is great, they don’t dig. I wish the grind on my Wilson’s was similar.

 

Height didn’t seem to be a huge issue. 5 iron might have been a little lower than normal but hardly noticeable.

 

Looking forward to playing more with this setup

[Noke]

toying with making up a set. Has anyone used a more stiff shaft short iron in SL? And a more soft tip for 5-6 irons? I know all shafts are supposed to be cut at 7 iron stiffness, but I'm thinking of getting graphite shafts, and hard stepping the 9-GW, and soft stepping 5-6 irons. What do you all think? Obviously, all lengths will stay the same.

 

Wishon has said that shaft flex basically makes no difference in SL irons as the shaft length is too short. Shaft weight, however, will alter playing characteristics.

 

How on Earth can that be true? Pretty sure there is a difference between a Senior flex and an Xflex shaft in any 7 iron.

 

Most likely because the senior flex 7 iron shaft would probably be lighter than an extra stiff one.

 

Maybe Mr. Wishon will chime in, but I remember reading something he wrote about when they were testing the Sterlings he found that shaft flex made little to no difference in launch and spin (when the shafts weigh the same). At 36.5-37.5” the shaft is too short to have flex be an influencer.

[shokosugi]

toying with making up a set. Has anyone used a more stiff shaft short iron in SL? And a more soft tip for 5-6 irons? I know all shafts are supposed to be cut at 7 iron stiffness, but I'm thinking of getting graphite shafts, and hard stepping the 9-GW, and soft stepping 5-6 irons. What do you all think? Obviously, all lengths will stay the same.

 

Wishon has said that shaft flex basically makes no difference in SL irons as the shaft length is too short. Shaft weight, however, will alter playing characteristics.

Well, after a couple of rounds with my Pinhawks that had PX 6.5, I decided to reshaft with some graphite penley ims. Like others, the long irons launched low/short and the short irons launched high and long. So I installed the 4-6 irons straight in, 7-9 tipped half an inch and p/a/s/l wedges were tipped 1". Once the snow clears and I can play, I'll report back the results

[NRJyzr]

toying with making up a set. Has anyone used a more stiff shaft short iron in SL? And a more soft tip for 5-6 irons? I know all shafts are supposed to be cut at 7 iron stiffness, but I'm thinking of getting graphite shafts, and hard stepping the 9-GW, and soft stepping 5-6 irons. What do you all think? Obviously, all lengths will stay the same.

 

Wishon has said that shaft flex basically makes no difference in SL irons as the shaft length is too short. Shaft weight, however, will alter playing characteristics.

 

How on Earth can that be true? Pretty sure there is a difference between a Senior flex and an Xflex shaft in any 7 iron.

 

Most likely because the senior flex 7 iron shaft would probably be lighter than an extra stiff one.

 

Maybe Mr. Wishon will chime in, but I remember reading something he wrote about when they were testing the Sterlings he found that shaft flex made little to no difference in launch and spin (when the shafts weigh the same). At 36.5-37.5" the shaft is too short to have flex be an influencer.

 

It may not have effect on launch conditions, but flex could still have influence on consistency.

 

I have my doubts about the lack of effect on launch angle. Back in the day, I hit some short and mid irons with DGR, when I was able to play DGX, and I hit them to the moon.

[NoTalentLefty]

I added jumbomax medium grips to my F7 SLs (6-GW) as well as the rest of the clubs in the bag. Will test later when weather breaks here in Corn country USA.

 

 

 

[OsnolaKinnard]

toying with making up a set. Has anyone used a more stiff shaft short iron in SL? And a more soft tip for 5-6 irons? I know all shafts are supposed to be cut at 7 iron stiffness, but I'm thinking of getting graphite shafts, and hard stepping the 9-GW, and soft stepping 5-6 irons. What do you all think? Obviously, all lengths will stay the same.

 

This is pretty much what Edel golf does. I have Long Iron profile in the 5-7 irons for a higher launch, and mid iron in the 8-9 irons and short irons in the PW and GW.

 

They also control the weights of the heads etc., etc, etc.

 

Very cool process to be fitted by them.

[Chazb]

I looked on cobras web site and saw that the one length hybrids were on back order but going to golf galaxy today to use my coupon I found a one length hybrid and scooped it up.

I can’t wait to tune it in as my longest iron was a 5 iron.

[SDGolfRookie]

Still cruising with the Edels. When I’m not shanking balls and shaking in the knees at address, I truly do love them.

- Better with the Pitching & Gap wedges at the longer length

- Still not “easy as pie” with the 4 iron, but getting better at making a consistent aggressive & focused swing vs. simply whaling away at it

 

Regarding the flex profiles

- It’s sweet that the Edel website is now selling the shafts!

- I was fit into the SIP (short iron profile) across ALL of my clubs (4-SW). I must say that I do like the consistency in shaft feel BUT the trade off was consistency in weight: SW - 6 iron = 12g weight, 5 = 8g weight, 4 = 6g weight. I really like the set-up but kind of wonder, GolfWRX style, if consistent weight would have been better mixed with the different profiles. That said, I can hold a green with the 4 iron, which was my primary objective. Height is also solid so all good!

 

Single length hasn’t been instant success for me, but still liking it. I’m no worse than I was and now hit chips and full shots flush much more often. What’s the single length equivalent of course management, lol, and I’ll be good!

[g-off]

any of you with edels adjusted them for loft? emailed them and they said 5* either way, that seems like a lot anyone done at least 2* looking to gap my bag next week and get all my numbers straight?

[Rich Douglas]

toying with making up a set. Has anyone used a more stiff shaft short iron in SL? And a more soft tip for 5-6 irons? I know all shafts are supposed to be cut at 7 iron stiffness, but I'm thinking of getting graphite shafts, and hard stepping the 9-GW, and soft stepping 5-6 irons. What do you all think? Obviously, all lengths will stay the same.

 

Wishon has said that shaft flex basically makes no difference in SL irons as the shaft length is too short. Shaft weight, however, will alter playing characteristics.

 

I asked him that question directly and got the precise answer you're offering. Actually, I was asking about kickpoints, but the same principle applies. There's not enough difference to matter.

[Rich Douglas]

toying with making up a set. Has anyone used a more stiff shaft short iron in SL? And a more soft tip for 5-6 irons? I know all shafts are supposed to be cut at 7 iron stiffness, but I'm thinking of getting graphite shafts, and hard stepping the 9-GW, and soft stepping 5-6 irons. What do you all think? Obviously, all lengths will stay the same.

 

Wishon has said that shaft flex basically makes no difference in SL irons as the shaft length is too short. Shaft weight, however, will alter playing characteristics.

 

How on Earth can that be true? Pretty sure there is a difference between a Senior flex and an Xflex shaft in any 7 iron.

 

I think Wishon was commenting about kick points, not flex. I believe Edel uses three different shafts with varying kick points in the set.

[Noke]

toying with making up a set. Has anyone used a more stiff shaft short iron in SL? And a more soft tip for 5-6 irons? I know all shafts are supposed to be cut at 7 iron stiffness, but I'm thinking of getting graphite shafts, and hard stepping the 9-GW, and soft stepping 5-6 irons. What do you all think? Obviously, all lengths will stay the same.

 

Wishon has said that shaft flex basically makes no difference in SL irons as the shaft length is too short. Shaft weight, however, will alter playing characteristics.

 

I asked him that question directly and got the precise answer you're offering. Actually, I was asking about kickpoints, but the same principle applies. There's not enough difference to matter.

 

Thanks for the clarification.

[bulls9999]

Hmm, don't know if I'd agree with that from anecdotal trial-and-error. Been in an overlystiff variable length set and gone to softer flex and felt better throughout the set....so the 7-iron lighter flex shaft that did/felt/loaded better than the 7-iron stiffer shaft, and others in the set disproves that as a generality to me.

 

toying with making up a set. Has anyone used a more stiff shaft short iron in SL? And a more soft tip for 5-6 irons? I know all shafts are supposed to be cut at 7 iron stiffness, but I'm thinking of getting graphite shafts, and hard stepping the 9-GW, and soft stepping 5-6 irons. What do you all think? Obviously, all lengths will stay the same.

 

Wishon has said that shaft flex basically makes no difference in SL irons as the shaft length is too short. Shaft weight, however, will alter playing characteristics.

[Noke]

Hmm, don't know if I'd agree with that from anecdotal trial-and-error. Been in an overlystiff variable length set and gone to softer flex and felt better throughout the set....so the 7-iron lighter flex shaft that did/felt/loaded better than the 7-iron stiffer shaft, and others in the set disproves that as a generality to me.

 

toying with making up a set. Has anyone used a more stiff shaft short iron in SL? And a more soft tip for 5-6 irons? I know all shafts are supposed to be cut at 7 iron stiffness, but I'm thinking of getting graphite shafts, and hard stepping the 9-GW, and soft stepping 5-6 irons. What do you all think? Obviously, all lengths will stay the same.

 

Wishon has said that shaft flex basically makes no difference in SL irons as the shaft length is too short. Shaft weight, however, will alter playing characteristics.

 

Were the softer/stiffer flex shafts you tried the same weight?

 

I'm not sure I would call Wishon's research anecdotal, as he's one of the best club designers around and has access to robot testing. He wouldn't say such a thing without evidence.

 

All of this, of course, is player-dependent. Psychological effects shouldn't be underestimated.