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So you want the pga or other tours to dictate the pay of an independent contractor who has an employment agreement with another independent contractor?

 

Do they also dictate how a local caddie gets paid compared to a regular tour caddie or a borrowed caddie whose mason guy is off for the week or longer?

 

What about if a player uses a family member for a couple weeks or so while their main caddie vacations or is out recovering from illness or surgery?

 

I was surprised to learn aoc played an elitist sport like golf :taunt:

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But like, nobody is doing anything about like, these important things. So like, someone needs to like, think of the caddies or they'll all be dead soon. But I mean, I like, don't know what I'm talking about right

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Kuchar and Ortiz have provided different accounts of what "the deal" was. By Ortiz's account, the bonus was unspecified (ie left to Kuchar's discretion). By Kuchar's account, it was underspecified as it omitted compensation for a win. Saying "a win is just a top ten" is revisionist nonsense - every single other discussion of caddie compensation I've ever seen specifically states what a win is worth.

 

Why was this omitted? Who knows. Kuchar hadn't won in four years, so perhaps his hopes weren't high and he didn't specify. Ortiz, being by far the junior partner, may have felt out of place or not had the language skills to express himself or just assumed Kuchar would take care of him in this unlikely event (oops). Maybe there was an intermediary who dropped the ball.

 

In any event there was a gap, which had an easy fix - Kuchar, recognizing that he was by far the more powerful party (and anticipating the potential fallout for cheaping out), could have easily solved the problem by saying "hey, I know we didn't really address this up front but here's $50K. Thank you for helping me to my first win in four years". Instead, he paid Ortiz 3.8% of what a regular caddie would have earned in the same situation. 3.8%! One can reasonably argue that Ortiz didn't do the full work of PGA Tour caddie, but there is no reasonable argument that he only did 3.8% of the work.

 

Kuchar then doubled down with his slippery "it wasn't $3k and it wasn't 10%" comment, and tripled down with that monumentally stupid interview at Rivieria. Finally, realizing he had lost badly in the court of public opinion (and had few if any public supporters among his fellow players), he apologized.

 

The KJW's deflection tactics here are hilarious - this is not Gillis's fault, or Ortiz's fault, or the "SJW mob", or the Illuminati. It is all on Kuchar. He performs for the public. He is paid a public sum of money. This issue becoming public goes with the territory. As Arnie once told Tiger: if you don't like it, don't take the money.

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One problem I have is Tucan was not a virgin in this. He didn't have a problem with the 900 bucks he got being on Alex Cjeka's bag. (Sorry if I butchered his name) Tucan had been in this rodeo before.

 

Now some will point out Matt had nothing but high praise for the guy after the fact. I say why wouldn't he ? He showed up, carried the bag and probly handed him the club a time or two. Why would Matt say anything else ? Was he supposed to say the way I was playing, I could have won with my bag strapped to the back off Steven Hawkings wheelchair. The fact is he did nothing wrong. Was he cheap ? Yes but no law against that with a resort caddy. He honored his commitment. If Tucan didn't like it he should have said something at the start since this was not his first time, but now probably his last.

For those that insist he should pay more, I hope when your Bill's show up, you don't pull out tour tip calculator app on your phone and go straight 15% but instead make it rain for your server otherwise quit deciding for someone else what they should pay.

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Kuchar and Ortiz have provided different accounts of what "the deal" was. By Ortiz's account, the bonus was unspecified (ie left to Kuchar's discretion). By Kuchar's account, it was underspecified as it omitted compensation for a win. Saying "a win is just a top ten" is revisionist nonsense - every single other discussion of caddie compensation I've ever seen specifically states what a win is worth.

 

Why was this omitted? Who knows. Kuchar hadn't won in four years, so perhaps his hopes weren't high and he didn't specify. Ortiz, being by far the junior partner, may have felt out of place or not had the language skills to express himself or just assumed Kuchar would take care of him in this unlikely event (oops). Maybe there was an intermediary who dropped the ball.

 

In any event there was a gap, which had an easy fix - Kuchar, recognizing that he was by far the more powerful party (and anticipating the potential fallout for cheaping out), could have easily solved the problem by saying "hey, I know we didn't really address this up front but here's $50K. Thank you for helping me to my first win in four years". Instead, he paid Ortiz 3.8% of what a regular caddie would have earned in the same situation. 3.8%! One can reasonably argue that Ortiz didn't do the full work of PGA Tour caddie, but there is no reasonable argument that he only did 3.8% of the work.

 

Kuchar then doubled down with his slippery "it wasn't $3k and it wasn't 10%" comment, and tripled down with that monumentally stupid interview at Rivieria. Finally, realizing he had lost badly in the court of public opinion (and had few if any public supporters among his fellow players), he apologized.

 

The KJW's deflection tactics here are hilarious - this is not Gillis's fault, or Ortiz's fault, or the "SJW mob", or the Illuminati. It is all on Kuchar. He performs for the public. He is paid a public sum of money. This issue becoming public goes with the territory. As Arnie once told Tiger: if you don't like it, don't take the money.

 

So you also feel that this amount was what was fair and would have solved "the problem"... right?

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Kuchar and Ortiz have provided different accounts of what "the deal" was. By Ortiz's account, the bonus was unspecified (ie left to Kuchar's discretion). By Kuchar's account, it was underspecified as it omitted compensation for a win. Saying "a win is just a top ten" is revisionist nonsense - every single other discussion of caddie compensation I've ever seen specifically states what a win is worth.

 

Why was this omitted? Who knows. Kuchar hadn't won in four years, so perhaps his hopes weren't high and he didn't specify. Ortiz, being by far the junior partner, may have felt out of place or not had the language skills to express himself or just assumed Kuchar would take care of him in this unlikely event (oops). Maybe there was an intermediary who dropped the ball.

 

In any event there was a gap, which had an easy fix - Kuchar, recognizing that he was by far the more powerful party (and anticipating the potential fallout for cheaping out), could have easily solved the problem by saying "hey, I know we didn't really address this up front but here's $50K. Thank you for helping me to my first win in four years". Instead, he paid Ortiz 3.8% of what a regular caddie would have earned in the same situation. 3.8%! One can reasonably argue that Ortiz didn't do the full work of PGA Tour caddie, but there is no reasonable argument that he only did 3.8% of the work.

 

Kuchar then doubled down with his slippery "it wasn't $3k and it wasn't 10%" comment, and tripled down with that monumentally stupid interview at Rivieria. Finally, realizing he had lost badly in the court of public opinion (and had few if any public supporters among his fellow players), he apologized.

 

The KJW's deflection tactics here are hilarious - this is not Gillis's fault, or Ortiz's fault, or the "SJW mob", or the Illuminati. It is all on Kuchar. He performs for the public. He is paid a public sum of money. This issue becoming public goes with the territory. As Arnie once told Tiger: if you don't like it, don't take the money.

 

Well said and of course us Canadian are all SJW's...... :taunt:

 

It seems this thread is a place where all the Pro-Kuch posters can congregate with out concern for the masses that samed poor Matt to pay the money.

 

Curious though why this hasn't been moved to the Heated Topics Section..... Maybe because of the Pro-Kuch leanings?

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Kuchar and Ortiz have provided different accounts of what "the deal" was. By Ortiz's account, the bonus was unspecified (ie left to Kuchar's discretion). By Kuchar's account, it was underspecified as it omitted compensation for a win. Saying "a win is just a top ten" is revisionist nonsense - every single other discussion of caddie compensation I've ever seen specifically states what a win is worth.

 

Why was this omitted? Who knows. Kuchar hadn't won in four years, so perhaps his hopes weren't high and he didn't specify. Ortiz, being by far the junior partner, may have felt out of place or not had the language skills to express himself or just assumed Kuchar would take care of him in this unlikely event (oops). Maybe there was an intermediary who dropped the ball.

 

In any event there was a gap, which had an easy fix - Kuchar, recognizing that he was by far the more powerful party (and anticipating the potential fallout for cheaping out), could have easily solved the problem by saying "hey, I know we didn't really address this up front but here's $50K. Thank you for helping me to my first win in four years". Instead, he paid Ortiz 3.8% of what a regular caddie would have earned in the same situation. 3.8%! One can reasonably argue that Ortiz didn't do the full work of PGA Tour caddie, but there is no reasonable argument that he only did 3.8% of the work.

 

Kuchar then doubled down with his slippery "it wasn't $3k and it wasn't 10%" comment, and tripled down with that monumentally stupid interview at Rivieria. Finally, realizing he had lost badly in the court of public opinion (and had few if any public supporters among his fellow players), he apologized.

 

The KJW's deflection tactics here are hilarious - this is not Gillis's fault, or Ortiz's fault, or the "SJW mob", or the Illuminati. It is all on Kuchar. He performs for the public. He is paid a public sum of money. This issue becoming public goes with the territory. As Arnie once told Tiger: if you don't like it, don't take the money.

 

How is it not Gillis fault? Kuch and Tucan settles their deal and went about their way, Gillis stuck his nose in the business of a player and his employee for the week to tell him in gillis’ opinion was shirt changed. Then Gillis put the whole thing on blast which then brought in the social media mob and the various media outlets that all pretty much of with rich golfer pays .38% to caddie, rich golfer is ok with $3000/5000 payment.

 

This then put pressure on Tucan to get involved and tell some what questionable account of the deal and eventually pressure for Kuchar to cave and pay what everyone else thought was fair.

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Curious though why this hasn't been moved to the Heated Topics Section..... Maybe because of the Pro-Kuch leanings?

 

Right out of the playbook!

When you can't win in the court of public opinion, change the venue so no one can see you lose.

And, lose badly, BTW...

 

Actually WE (and very sarcastic use of the word) WON CONVINCIGLY in the court of public opinion (and amongst PGA golfers, their caddies, PGA brass & in all liklihood Kuch's sponsors) & poor Kuch had to pay up......

 

Only seems here on Golfwrx and the fact it hasn't been moved to Heated Topics, that we are taking a beating on this one thread....... :taunt:

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How many times does it need to be posted that Sergio paid basically someone off the streets $76,000 (according to reports) and certainly way more then $5,000.

 

David Faircloth carried the bag, cleaned clubs & pulled the flag and no more.

 

Sergio quoted when asked back then (2012 and surprise Sergio's first victory in 4 years too) whether it would be 10%, said no, but he's be very happy.

 

Nice for the guy 'off the streets', but that was a slap in the face of professional tour caddies, and especially his own.

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Kuchar and Ortiz have provided different accounts of what "the deal" was. By Ortiz's account, the bonus was unspecified (ie left to Kuchar's discretion). By Kuchar's account, it was underspecified as it omitted compensation for a win. Saying "a win is just a top ten" is revisionist nonsense - every single other discussion of caddie compensation I've ever seen specifically states what a win is worth.

 

Why was this omitted? Who knows. Kuchar hadn't won in four years, so perhaps his hopes weren't high and he didn't specify. Ortiz, being by far the junior partner, may have felt out of place or not had the language skills to express himself or just assumed Kuchar would take care of him in this unlikely event (oops). Maybe there was an intermediary who dropped the ball.

 

In any event there was a gap, which had an easy fix - Kuchar, recognizing that he was by far the more powerful party (and anticipating the potential fallout for cheaping out), could have easily solved the problem by saying "hey, I know we didn't really address this up front but here's $50K. Thank you for helping me to my first win in four years". Instead, he paid Ortiz 3.8% of what a regular caddie would have earned in the same situation. 3.8%! One can reasonably argue that Ortiz didn't do the full work of PGA Tour caddie, but there is no reasonable argument that he only did 3.8% of the work.

 

Kuchar then doubled down with his slippery "it wasn't $3k and it wasn't 10%" comment, and tripled down with that monumentally stupid interview at Rivieria. Finally, realizing he had lost badly in the court of public opinion (and had few if any public supporters among his fellow players), he apologized.

 

The KJW's deflection tactics here are hilarious - this is not Gillis's fault, or Ortiz's fault, or the "SJW mob", or the Illuminati. It is all on Kuchar. He performs for the public. He is paid a public sum of money. This issue becoming public goes with the territory. As Arnie once told Tiger: if you don't like it, don't take the money.

 

So you also feel that this amount was what was fair and would have solved "the problem"... right?

 

It is just common sense.

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Before you claim total victory, see how many resort caddies are used in the future.

 

Another KJW red herring. The only tour pros who are worried about using a resort caddy are the ones dumb enough to pay .38% when they win. Given the publicity of Kuchar's blunder and subsequent mea culpa I'm pretty confident that number is zero.

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Kuchar and Ortiz have provided different accounts of what "the deal" was. By Ortiz's account, the bonus was unspecified (ie left to Kuchar's discretion). By Kuchar's account, it was underspecified as it omitted compensation for a win. Saying "a win is just a top ten" is revisionist nonsense - every single other discussion of caddie compensation I've ever seen specifically states what a win is worth.

 

Why was this omitted? Who knows. Kuchar hadn't won in four years, so perhaps his hopes weren't high and he didn't specify. Ortiz, being by far the junior partner, may have felt out of place or not had the language skills to express himself or just assumed Kuchar would take care of him in this unlikely event (oops). Maybe there was an intermediary who dropped the ball.

 

In any event there was a gap, which had an easy fix - Kuchar, recognizing that he was by far the more powerful party (and anticipating the potential fallout for cheaping out), could have easily solved the problem by saying "hey, I know we didn't really address this up front but here's $50K. Thank you for helping me to my first win in four years". Instead, he paid Ortiz 3.8% of what a regular caddie would have earned in the same situation. 3.8%! One can reasonably argue that Ortiz didn't do the full work of PGA Tour caddie, but there is no reasonable argument that he only did 3.8% of the work.

 

Kuchar then doubled down with his slippery "it wasn't $3k and it wasn't 10%" comment, and tripled down with that monumentally stupid interview at Rivieria. Finally, realizing he had lost badly in the court of public opinion (and had few if any public supporters among his fellow players), he apologized.

 

The KJW's deflection tactics here are hilarious - this is not Gillis's fault, or Ortiz's fault, or the "SJW mob", or the Illuminati. It is all on Kuchar. He performs for the public. He is paid a public sum of money. This issue becoming public goes with the territory. As Arnie once told Tiger: if you don't like it, don't take the money.

 

How is it not Gillis fault? Kuch and Tucan settles their deal and went about their way, Gillis stuck his nose in the business of a player and his employee for the week to tell him in gillis' opinion was shirt changed. Then Gillis put the whole thing on blast which then brought in the social media mob and the various media outlets that all pretty much of with rich golfer pays .38% to caddie, rich golfer is ok with $3000/5000 payment.

 

This then put pressure on Tucan to get involved and tell some what questionable account of the deal and eventually pressure for Kuchar to cave and pay what everyone else thought was fair.

 

Blaming Gillis is shooting the messenger.

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So you also feel that this amount was what was fair and would have solved "the problem"... right?

 

It is just common sense.

 

What about your comment was common sense? Please, elaborate.

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So you also feel that this amount was what was fair and would have solved "the problem"... right?

 

It is just common sense.

 

What about your comment was common sense? Please, elaborate.

 

Obviously it was a problem for Kuchar. Numerous articles in golf magazines, getting called out in the mainstream media, and having to issue a very public apology. $50K was the number Ortiz mentioned and Kuchar ultimately said he was going to pay.

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Before you claim total victory, see how many resort caddies are used in the future.

 

Another KJW red herring. The only tour pros who are worried about using a resort caddy are the ones dumb enough to pay .38% when they win. Given the publicity of Kuchar's blunder and subsequent mea culpa I'm pretty confident that number is zero.

 

Agree, there is no reason not to.

 

Kuch used one

 

And got his first win in 4 years ; )

 

Spieth prolly could have and didn't

 

And shot +4

 

 

The players will save money using a resort/non-tour caddie. They just need to be smart and sign a deal so their are no misunderstandings.

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It is absolutely not nonsense. What if a fill in now wants the regular caddy pay for a 5th place finish ? All it will take is an outside force like Gillis to get involved again. Then social media gets involved. The battle may have been won for Tucan but I would not be surprised if the war has been lost for the rest if the resort caddies hoping to fill in.

 

While I am not saying Kuchar wasn't cheap, I am saying he did nothing wrong and would say that no matter who the player was.

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Kuchar and Ortiz have provided different accounts of what "the deal" was. By Ortiz's account, the bonus was unspecified (ie left to Kuchar's discretion). By Kuchar's account, it was underspecified as it omitted compensation for a win. Saying "a win is just a top ten" is revisionist nonsense - every single other discussion of caddie compensation I've ever seen specifically states what a win is worth.

 

Why was this omitted? Who knows. Kuchar hadn't won in four years, so perhaps his hopes weren't high and he didn't specify. Ortiz, being by far the junior partner, may have felt out of place or not had the language skills to express himself or just assumed Kuchar would take care of him in this unlikely event (oops). Maybe there was an intermediary who dropped the ball.

 

In any event there was a gap, which had an easy fix - Kuchar, recognizing that he was by far the more powerful party (and anticipating the potential fallout for cheaping out), could have easily solved the problem by saying "hey, I know we didn't really address this up front but here's $50K. Thank you for helping me to my first win in four years". Instead, he paid Ortiz 3.8% of what a regular caddie would have earned in the same situation. 3.8%! One can reasonably argue that Ortiz didn't do the full work of PGA Tour caddie, but there is no reasonable argument that he only did 3.8% of the work.

 

Kuchar then doubled down with his slippery "it wasn't $3k and it wasn't 10%" comment, and tripled down with that monumentally stupid interview at Rivieria. Finally, realizing he had lost badly in the court of public opinion (and had few if any public supporters among his fellow players), he apologized.

 

The KJW's deflection tactics here are hilarious - this is not Gillis's fault, or Ortiz's fault, or the "SJW mob", or the Illuminati. It is all on Kuchar. He performs for the public. He is paid a public sum of money. This issue becoming public goes with the territory. As Arnie once told Tiger: if you don't like it, don't take the money.

 

How is it not Gillis fault? Kuch and Tucan settles their deal and went about their way, Gillis stuck his nose in the business of a player and his employee for the week to tell him in gillis' opinion was shirt changed. Then Gillis put the whole thing on blast which then brought in the social media mob and the various media outlets that all pretty much of with rich golfer pays .38% to caddie, rich golfer is ok with $3000/5000 payment.

 

This then put pressure on Tucan to get involved and tell some what questionable account of the deal and eventually pressure for Kuchar to cave and pay what everyone else thought was fair.

 

Blaming Gillis is shooting the messenger.

Why is it any of Gillis's business to even ask and get involved? I mean if it is his business then why stop at caddies? Why not all the workers that supported the tournament? Cabbies and limo drivers, bartenders, waiters etc? And those "volunteers" really getting hosed for no pay and having to buy a uniform to support a multi-billion $ behemoth!

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Kuchar and Ortiz have provided different accounts of what "the deal" was. By Ortiz's account, the bonus was unspecified (ie left to Kuchar's discretion). By Kuchar's account, it was underspecified as it omitted compensation for a win. Saying "a win is just a top ten" is revisionist nonsense - every single other discussion of caddie compensation I've ever seen specifically states what a win is worth.

 

Why was this omitted? Who knows. Kuchar hadn't won in four years, so perhaps his hopes weren't high and he didn't specify. Ortiz, being by far the junior partner, may have felt out of place or not had the language skills to express himself or just assumed Kuchar would take care of him in this unlikely event (oops). Maybe there was an intermediary who dropped the ball.

 

In any event there was a gap, which had an easy fix - Kuchar, recognizing that he was by far the more powerful party (and anticipating the potential fallout for cheaping out), could have easily solved the problem by saying "hey, I know we didn't really address this up front but here's $50K. Thank you for helping me to my first win in four years". Instead, he paid Ortiz 3.8% of what a regular caddie would have earned in the same situation. 3.8%! One can reasonably argue that Ortiz didn't do the full work of PGA Tour caddie, but there is no reasonable argument that he only did 3.8% of the work.

 

Kuchar then doubled down with his slippery "it wasn't $3k and it wasn't 10%" comment, and tripled down with that monumentally stupid interview at Rivieria. Finally, realizing he had lost badly in the court of public opinion (and had few if any public supporters among his fellow players), he apologized.

 

The KJW's deflection tactics here are hilarious - this is not Gillis's fault, or Ortiz's fault, or the "SJW mob", or the Illuminati. It is all on Kuchar. He performs for the public. He is paid a public sum of money. This issue becoming public goes with the territory. As Arnie once told Tiger: if you don't like it, don't take the money.

 

How is it not Gillis fault? Kuch and Tucan settles their deal and went about their way, Gillis stuck his nose in the business of a player and his employee for the week to tell him in gillis' opinion was shirt changed. Then Gillis put the whole thing on blast which then brought in the social media mob and the various media outlets that all pretty much of with rich golfer pays .38% to caddie, rich golfer is ok with $3000/5000 payment.

 

This then put pressure on Tucan to get involved and tell some what questionable account of the deal and eventually pressure for Kuchar to cave and pay what everyone else thought was fair.

 

Blaming Gillis is shooting the messenger.

 

Unless Tucan went to Gillis which from what I read wasn’t the case then Gillis isn’t the messenger he’s the instigator.

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I see it as a form or extortion, the SJW's were going to heckle Kuchar until he paid up. You're all very generous when it comes to spending someone elses money. An agreement is an agreement, no matter what the state or country, a mans word should mean something.

 

Using your logic, Kuch was "heckled" into paying more? Was his mea culpa a lie? Either Matt had a change of heart about his original decision, and

was embarrassed by his own words, or he felt bullied into paying more, and then lied about his real feelings. Cant have it both ways.

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Kuchar and Ortiz have provided different accounts of what "the deal" was. By Ortiz's account, the bonus was unspecified (ie left to Kuchar's discretion). By Kuchar's account, it was underspecified as it omitted compensation for a win. Saying "a win is just a top ten" is revisionist nonsense - every single other discussion of caddie compensation I've ever seen specifically states what a win is worth.

 

Why was this omitted? Who knows. Kuchar hadn't won in four years, so perhaps his hopes weren't high and he didn't specify. Ortiz, being by far the junior partner, may have felt out of place or not had the language skills to express himself or just assumed Kuchar would take care of him in this unlikely event (oops). Maybe there was an intermediary who dropped the ball.

 

In any event there was a gap, which had an easy fix - Kuchar, recognizing that he was by far the more powerful party (and anticipating the potential fallout for cheaping out), could have easily solved the problem by saying "hey, I know we didn't really address this up front but here's $50K. Thank you for helping me to my first win in four years". Instead, he paid Ortiz 3.8% of what a regular caddie would have earned in the same situation. 3.8%! One can reasonably argue that Ortiz didn't do the full work of PGA Tour caddie, but there is no reasonable argument that he only did 3.8% of the work.

 

Kuchar then doubled down with his slippery "it wasn't $3k and it wasn't 10%" comment, and tripled down with that monumentally stupid interview at Rivieria. Finally, realizing he had lost badly in the court of public opinion (and had few if any public supporters among his fellow players), he apologized.

 

The KJW's deflection tactics here are hilarious - this is not Gillis's fault, or Ortiz's fault, or the "SJW mob", or the Illuminati. It is all on Kuchar. He performs for the public. He is paid a public sum of money. This issue becoming public goes with the territory. As Arnie once told Tiger: if you don't like it, don't take the money.

 

Oh sweet irony.Does this apply to Ortiz?

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We need to abolish tips...on everything!!! There is no need to tip. Set the given price..pay it..and go on your way...I'm sick of all the tipping. No one likes a grey area..set the price/wage...pay the price/wage.

 

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Naw there are too many that use friends and relatives as caddies. As already mentioned most of the tour guys are doing pretty well for themselves.

I suppose there could be an established rate if you hire a local caddy for a specific even like Kuchar did in Mexico. It might not be a bad idea esp when the tour is playing outside the US.

 

That’s kind of stupid though, a family member isn’t going to be objective. Caddies can be highly trained individuals and they have a code of ethics. Like a knight and his squire.

There is a divide of professionalism between player and caddie. When you have a friend or relative, you are losing that.

 

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Actually WE (and very sarcastic use of the word) WON CONVINCIGLY in the court of public opinion (and amongst PGA golfers, their caddies, PGA brass & in all liklihood Kuch's sponsors) & poor Kuch had to pay up......

 

Only seems here on Golfwrx and the fact it hasn't been moved to Heated Topics, that we are taking a beating on this one thread....... :taunt:

 

You think you won because El Tucan got a few extra shekels?

 

Last week while the controversy raged on, Jordan Spieth put his dad on the bag to replace Michael Greller in Mexico. That spoke VOLUMES about how the tour players will act moving forward.

 

A Pyrrhic victory. At best.

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Kuchar and Ortiz have provided different accounts of what "the deal" was. By Ortiz's account, the bonus was unspecified (ie left to Kuchar's discretion). By Kuchar's account, it was underspecified as it omitted compensation for a win. Saying "a win is just a top ten" is revisionist nonsense - every single other discussion of caddie compensation I've ever seen specifically states what a win is worth.

 

Why was this omitted? Who knows. Kuchar hadn't won in four years, so perhaps his hopes weren't high and he didn't specify. Ortiz, being by far the junior partner, may have felt out of place or not had the language skills to express himself or just assumed Kuchar would take care of him in this unlikely event (oops). Maybe there was an intermediary who dropped the ball.

 

In any event there was a gap, which had an easy fix - Kuchar, recognizing that he was by far the more powerful party (and anticipating the potential fallout for cheaping out), could have easily solved the problem by saying "hey, I know we didn't really address this up front but here's $50K. Thank you for helping me to my first win in four years". Instead, he paid Ortiz 3.8% of what a regular caddie would have earned in the same situation. 3.8%! One can reasonably argue that Ortiz didn't do the full work of PGA Tour caddie, but there is no reasonable argument that he only did 3.8% of the work.

 

Kuchar then doubled down with his slippery "it wasn't $3k and it wasn't 10%" comment, and tripled down with that monumentally stupid interview at Rivieria. Finally, realizing he had lost badly in the court of public opinion (and had few if any public supporters among his fellow players), he apologized.

 

The KJW's deflection tactics here are hilarious - this is not Gillis's fault, or Ortiz's fault, or the "SJW mob", or the Illuminati. It is all on Kuchar. He performs for the public. He is paid a public sum of money. This issue becoming public goes with the territory. As Arnie once told Tiger: if you don't like it, don't take the money.

 

How is it not Gillis fault? Kuch and Tucan settles their deal and went about their way, Gillis stuck his nose in the business of a player and his employee for the week to tell him in gillis' opinion was shirt changed. Then Gillis put the whole thing on blast which then brought in the social media mob and the various media outlets that all pretty much of with rich golfer pays .38% to caddie, rich golfer is ok with $3000/5000 payment.

 

This then put pressure on Tucan to get involved and tell some what questionable account of the deal and eventually pressure for Kuchar to cave and pay what everyone else thought was fair.

 

Blaming Gillis is shooting the messenger.

Why is it any of Gillis's business to even ask and get involved? I mean if it is his business then why stop at caddies? Why not all the workers that supported the tournament? Cabbies and limo drivers, bartenders, waiters etc? And those "volunteers" really getting hosed for no pay and having to buy a uniform to support a multi-billion $ behemoth!

 

More silly slippery slopes for the KJWs.

It was Kuchar's act; not sure why you're so butthurt about Gillis telling the truth.

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