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New video with Rory talking about the new TP5:

 

Less spin on his 220ish yard iron shot. This idea of less and less spin on these longer shots is interesting. Last year I stuck with Srixon ZStar because I was worried the TP5 mid iron spin would be so low that I'd have trouble holding greens. But seeing all these tour pro's gaming these (relatively) low spin mid iron balls has really caught my attention.

 

Are people seeing more roll out on those 150-230 shots into the green and once you adjust it's all good?

 

I can't find the source, but one of the reasons Rickie switched was because of the above. More distance on the long clubs, but still holding greens. The idea is that the TP5(x) are spinning less and going further, all while launching higher and having better decent angles into greens, and holding them the same as a lower flighted ball that spins more.

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I think a lot of this thread went severely off topic. No hard feelings about the 18 cap and ability to understand golf ball reactions etc. it’s all good.

I personally know a lot of fantastic golfers that play single digits cap and borderline scratch and am asked a lot of questions from them for golf tech, swing questions, etc etc. i know the game extremely well. No need to prove it to anyone.

 

In other news, my local spot has been having trouble keeping these in stock (TP5 and X). I’m in sunny San Diego and obviously TM HQ is in Carlsbad about 25 mins outta the city. Looks like the reception to the new balls is quite warm. Granted, the past month has been all rain and “bad weather”. The golfers down here consider a drizzle to be like a hurricane.

 

For your index, try the ‘18 TM project (a) - it’s basically a 3-layer version of the TP5 and one of the biggest sleeper balls out there. If you hunt around, they can be scored for around $25 dozen. Paying $40-50 for “premium” balls that won’t make a difference for you is silly. I’m a mid single digit and I love the (a) - plenty long and fantastic spin, plus they just feel great.

 

I think worrying about how someone else spends their money is silly. Maybe we could keep it on topic. "New TP5 & TP5X"

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I think a lot of this thread went severely off topic. No hard feelings about the 18 cap and ability to understand golf ball reactions etc. it’s all good.

I personally know a lot of fantastic golfers that play single digits cap and borderline scratch and am asked a lot of questions from them for golf tech, swing questions, etc etc. i know the game extremely well. No need to prove it to anyone.

 

In other news, my local spot has been having trouble keeping these in stock (TP5 and X). I’m in sunny San Diego and obviously TM HQ is in Carlsbad about 25 mins outta the city. Looks like the reception to the new balls is quite warm. Granted, the past month has been all rain and “bad weather”. The golfers down here consider a drizzle to be like a hurricane.

 

For your index, try the ‘18 TM project (a) - it’s basically a 3-layer version of the TP5 and one of the biggest sleeper balls out there. If you hunt around, they can be scored for around $25 dozen. Paying $40-50 for “premium” balls that won’t make a difference for you is silly. I’m a mid single digit and I love the (a) - plenty long and fantastic spin, plus they just feel great.

 

I think worrying about how someone else spends their money is silly. Maybe we could keep it on topic. "New TP5 & TP5X"

 

Forums equals people complaining about stuff that has nothing to do with the topic. But I play off 18 so I have no idea what I’m talking about

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I think worrying about how someone else spends their money is silly. Maybe we could keep it on topic. "New TP5 & TP5X"

 

Worrying? No. Couldn't care less. Simply making a 'helpful' suggestion, since people actually come to forums in order to give and receive them.

 

Forums equals people complaining about stuff that has nothing to do with the topic. But I play off 18 so I have no idea what I'm talking about

 

Well, as an 18, you are shooting in the 90's (and above), so a ball that's $20 or $50 per dozen isn't going to make a difference. Whatever. As you already stated, “...a handicap doesn’t mean s*** when judging performance...”. It is WRX after all, so everyone plays muscle-back blades with X-100's tipped 1". People, again, actually do like to chip in with suggestions that may actually help others out, but suit yourself.

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I think worrying about how someone else spends their money is silly. Maybe we could keep it on topic. "New TP5 & TP5X"

 

Worrying? No. Couldn't care less. Simply making a 'helpful' suggestion, since people actually come to forums in order to give and receive them.

 

Forums equals people complaining about stuff that has nothing to do with the topic. But I play off 18 so I have no idea what I'm talking about

 

Well, as an 18, you are shooting in the 90's (and above), so a ball that's $20 or $50 per dozen isn't going to make a difference. Whatever. As you already stated, “...a handicap doesn’t mean s*** when judging performance...”. It is WRX after all, so everyone plays muscle-back blades with X-100's tipped 1". People, again, actually do like to chip in with suggestions that may actually help others out, but suit yourself.

 

You’re inserting foot in mouth. Satirical comments don’t exactly resonate in these threads. And, I don’t pay that much for TP5s

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Early reports were that this ball was amazing. Actual testing says that there is little to no improvement over past years. What made Rickie switch?

 

The ball is amazing in comparison to the PROv1. Anyone that knows me know how outspoken I am against the prov1 line. A 3 piece ball isn't worth the price they're selling at. Same with the V1x. The taylormade ball is cheaper and reacts better.

 

It is all about the $¤£¥. I think, when the rest of my ball stash is gone (8 dozen RZN platinum, 1 dozen Snell, 3 TP5/x, 2 dozen KSIG on and on) then I'll go MTB X. Cheap and performs. By then, TP5 will be on sale

 

No offense but if your handicap is really a 15 I don't think any ball will make much of a difference. You can really only see the difference in these balls when you strike it solid and mainly from 120 and in (especially around the greens). If you gave a 0 handicap 6 balls of each PV1 and TP5X and watched them hit different shots around the green you could easily see and also hear a very big difference between these balls. I have tried for years to beat the V1 and V1X and can't seem to ever do it.

 

I'm more off 18 right now actually. Fortunately for you, I can and do feel a difference. My score doesn't constitute the ability to see how a ball performs for me. I've played every style premium ball in the last 4-5 years. Yeah, I can feel a difference and see a difference.

 

I'll go ahead and say that most of the balls used on tour are because of money and continued performance. That's just how it is. Taylormade might be paying rickie more. Bridgestone is paying tiger absurd amounts. Rory said he loved platinum RZN tour or black, which was produced by Bridgestone, but oh wait, he doesn't use that because TM pays him more.

 

Long story short, a handicap doesn't mean s*** when judging performance. I'll tell people to buy this ball over titleist prov1 and x all day every day.

 

I'm sorry but if you are an 18 handicap you are not making consistent enough solid contact to tell a difference. I would argue that most scratch or better players scores would not change over a 10 round average between the TP5 and ProV1. The differences between all these balls is very minor but at the end of the day can lead to a 3ft par putt versus a 4ft par putt which very well could be a stroke difference in score. Again this one foot difference is assuming you strike it well, if your chip it thin or fat it won't make a difference. I think the sound and feel is what changes the most between the balls and that just comes down to a comfort level.

 

Of all the premium balls I tested this year the only very obvious noticeable difference I found (other then feel or sound) was the TP5 excessive spin on full wedges. Basically all the other balls have slight differences that really are not going to make or break you over a 10 round average. The TP5 I found that I have to play a lot of dead hand/ knock down wedge shots or account for the spin.

By that logic , an 18 index may benefit MORE from a ball as feel and sound could give them the confidence and confront to play better, to where a scratch golfer as you say may only see 1 stroke per round difference.

 

Years ago the B330-RX was such a good ball for me (and still is) and now the XV (since the 2017 version hit the market) are better for my game. I hover between a 10-13 index over the last couple years and some balls just don’t make me feel good on feedback and response that I like. If the ball is too mushy , it changes how I release the club mentally and can change my scoring average quickly.

 

 

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Am I still the only one finding the new TP5 to spin like a top and get eaten up in the wind???

 

-Perplexed in PA

 

I haven't hit the new version, but I found that same thing with the original tp5.

 

If you are already generating high spin on full shots this would be a bad ball for you on a windy day. The TP5 is a very spinny ball on iron shots.

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Played the new TP5x last week and was very impressed with the feel, flight, and how it cut through 15mph winds despite my high launch and spin off the tee. Wound up doing the B3G1 deal. Looking forward to gaming this ball for a long time.

 

How were iron shots? I'm thinking of changing from the ProV1x to TP5x because my iron shots are getting chewed up by wind.

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Played the new TP5x last week and was very impressed with the feel, flight, and how it cut through 15mph winds despite my high launch and spin off the tee. Wound up doing the B3G1 deal. Looking forward to gaming this ball for a long time.

 

How were iron shots? I'm thinking of changing from the ProV1x to TP5x because my iron shots are getting chewed up by wind.

I did the same ball switch. Cross wind shots were night and day. I take my normal shot 95% of the time on anything below say honestly 15mph. 15+ I work against it, that's my game. With the ProV1X in play I really had to figure out how much I was willing to hang it out off the green and hope I flushed the contact. Straight into a breeze/wind is kryptonite for me no matter what. TP5X helps my confidence. I can't hit a knockdown for a million bucks and if I do luck out, it's turning at 10k RPM with a 7 iron which is balloon territory.

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I’ve played Acushnet branded balls most of my life. Started with the Club Special back in the early 60’s, moved through the DT, Professional, then the Prov1 for the last 20 years. No longer. In the past Titleist had better quality and maybe technology but everyone else has caught up or surpassed them. I currently play the 2018 TP5X ball and love the performance. I recall Titleist ads from years back saying they were number one and nobody is ever paid to play their ball. No longer - they pay the pros. I’m guessing this is to stay #1 in the weekly ball count. If they loose that you may see tons of defections to the competition.

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I asked this earlier, but need more clarification. I currently use Pro V1. The X has too much side spin for me off the driver which is odd considering the X is supposed to be lower driver spin if memory serves. Which TP5 should I be looking into then?

 

1) there's no such thing as side spin. There is spin, and spin axis tilt. It's can't spin in two different directions at the same time.

2) driver spin is largely similar across balls so you won't see a ton of difference from the TP5 to X with a driver.

 

Out of curiosity, why do you think the X spins too much for you off the driver?

That's just the performance I get from them. When I use the V1X my fades have way too much spin and are offline by quite a bit. V1 and I have far more control, can go after it much harder, and my misses are not in the same realm as V1X.

 

There's always the chance that the X doesn't spin enough for you and that's causing your flight to become a bit unstable on misses, although I wouldn't expect it so much with a fade pattern. Best bet is to get on a launch monitor and get some numbers with the various balls and go from there.

 

Turns out, Pro V1x is the higher spinning Pro V model. A few years back it switched. It's a hight launching higher spinning ball. TP5=Pro V1x -- TP5x=Pro V1 in terms of spin.

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I asked this earlier, but need more clarification. I currently use Pro V1. The X has too much side spin for me off the driver which is odd considering the X is supposed to be lower driver spin if memory serves. Which TP5 should I be looking into then?

 

1) there's no such thing as side spin. There is spin, and spin axis tilt. It's can't spin in two different directions at the same time.

2) driver spin is largely similar across balls so you won't see a ton of difference from the TP5 to X with a driver.

 

Out of curiosity, why do you think the X spins too much for you off the driver?

That's just the performance I get from them. When I use the V1X my fades have way too much spin and are offline by quite a bit. V1 and I have far more control, can go after it much harder, and my misses are not in the same realm as V1X.

 

There's always the chance that the X doesn't spin enough for you and that's causing your flight to become a bit unstable on misses, although I wouldn't expect it so much with a fade pattern. Best bet is to get on a launch monitor and get some numbers with the various balls and go from there.

 

Turns out, Pro V1x is the higher spinning Pro V model. A few years back it switched. It's a hight launching higher spinning ball. TP5=Pro V1x -- TP5x=Pro V1 in terms of spin.

 

With the V1 and V1x, it becomes more complicated as many people who have tested the balls on launch monitor find that the V1x still spins less than the V1, despite Titleist claiming the opposite.

 

A while back companies went away from trying to tell people what swing speeds they needed for certain balls. Only guessing here, but my guess is that obviously was not good for sales. Only a very small percentage of the market swing faster than 105. But I would think that swing speed still comes in play when talking about how much different balls spin.

 

If you’re not compressing a certain ball enough into the core with your driver, then how does the ball know you’re hitting a driver and not an iron that you want to spin?

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With the V1 and V1x, it becomes more complicated as many people who have tested the balls on launch monitor find that the V1x still spins less than the V1, despite Titleist claiming the opposite.

 

A while back companies went away from trying to tell people what swing speeds they needed for certain balls. Only guessing here, but my guess is that obviously was not good for sales. Only a very small percentage of the market swing faster than 105. But I would think that swing speed still comes in play when talking about how much different balls spin.

 

If you're not compressing a certain ball enough into the core with your driver, then how does the ball know you're hitting a driver and not an iron that you want to spin?

 

Oddly enough, that marketing by swingspeed was the key thing that drove Bridgestone ball sales here in the US to their highest point/highest marketshare. The last CEO got away from that, and lost all the gains they had made. Now that the new CEO (and coincidentally enough, the head marketing guy back when they did sell based off of swingspeed) is back, it's not surprising that the first product launched under his leadership is the new e12...and is specifically marketed/separated by swingspeed. So selling balls in the US based off of swingspeed will work, as long as it's geared toward the average golfer. I see firsthand everyday at how they have "analysis paralysis" in trying to choose from the multitude of golf balls on the market now.

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With the V1 and V1x, it becomes more complicated as many people who have tested the balls on launch monitor find that the V1x still spins less than the V1, despite Titleist claiming the opposite.

 

A while back companies went away from trying to tell people what swing speeds they needed for certain balls. Only guessing here, but my guess is that obviously was not good for sales. Only a very small percentage of the market swing faster than 105. But I would think that swing speed still comes in play when talking about how much different balls spin.

 

If you're not compressing a certain ball enough into the core with your driver, then how does the ball know you're hitting a driver and not an iron that you want to spin?

 

Oddly enough, that marketing by swingspeed was the key thing that drove Bridgestone ball sales here in the US to their highest point/highest marketshare. The last CEO got away from that, and lost all the gains they had made. Now that the new CEO (and coincidentally enough, the head marketing guy back when they did sell based off of swingspeed) is back, it's not surprising that the first product launched under his leadership is the new e12...and is specifically marketed/separated by swingspeed. So selling balls in the US based off of swingspeed will work, as long as it's geared toward the average golfer. I see firsthand everyday at how they have "analysis paralysis" in trying to choose from the multitude of golf balls on the market now.

 

Oh I definitely agree that it was a smart move by Bridgestone to make a tour ball for average swing speeds! But they may very well have lost a lot of their market when the other manufacturers jumped on board saying that their balls are great for any swing speeds.

 

I’m really no expert in golf ball designs, but logic would tell me that a fourth layer adds spin to irons since it’s not as easy to completely compress, thus, a three piece ball is easier to compress to the core making it easier to spin less. BUT, a higher compression ball might have the ability to create higher ball speeds if you actually can compress it, and maybe that’s why some high swing speed players actually get less spin with the X? Maybe, I don’t know.

 

There’s good players on YouTube and members here that are finding the X to spin less after testing on monitor. Personally I can’t really tell. I just know they feel different.

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Turns out, Pro V1x is the higher spinning Pro V model. A few years back it switched. It's a hight launching higher spinning ball. TP5=Pro V1x -- TP5x=Pro V1 in terms of spin.

 

Some of the marketing people from Titleist have implied this, but people who have tested it and people (Ian at TXG) who have talked to the actual ball people at Titelist dispute it. The Pro V1x launches slightly higher and spins slightly less off the irons. They have almost identical characteristics off the driver. And they should have very near identical spin near the green on partial shots. The biggest difference between the two balls is actually feel.

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Turns out, Pro V1x is the higher spinning Pro V model. A few years back it switched. It's a hight launching higher spinning ball. TP5=Pro V1x -- TP5x=Pro V1 in terms of spin.

 

Some of the marketing people from Titleist have implied this, but people who have tested it and people (Ian at TXG) who have talked to the actual ball people at Titelist dispute it. The Pro V1x launches slightly higher and spins slightly less off the irons. They have almost identical characteristics off the driver. And they should have very near identical spin near the green on partial shots. The biggest difference between the two balls is actually feel.

 

It's not implied, Titleist specifically said it here. The senior manager of golf ball development, along with the golf ball R&D rep. The ProV1x used to spin less than the ProV1 at intro, and now the ProV1x is the higher spinning ball.

 

https://www.pgatour.com/equipmentreport/2019/02/26/know-the-differences-titleist-pro-v1-pro-v1x-golf-ball-equipment.html

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Turns out, Pro V1x is the higher spinning Pro V model. A few years back it switched. It's a hight launching higher spinning ball. TP5=Pro V1x -- TP5x=Pro V1 in terms of spin.

 

Some of the marketing people from Titleist have implied this, but people who have tested it and people (Ian at TXG) who have talked to the actual ball people at Titelist dispute it. The Pro V1x launches slightly higher and spins slightly less off the irons. They have almost identical characteristics off the driver. And they should have very near identical spin near the green on partial shots. The biggest difference between the two balls is actually feel.

 

When Rick Shiels did his test the ProV1x spun slightly more on the 7iron and the 100 yard wedge shot.

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Turns out, Pro V1x is the higher spinning Pro V model. A few years back it switched. It's a hight launching higher spinning ball. TP5=Pro V1x -- TP5x=Pro V1 in terms of spin.

 

Some of the marketing people from Titleist have implied this, but people who have tested it and people (Ian at TXG) who have talked to the actual ball people at Titelist dispute it. The Pro V1x launches slightly higher and spins slightly less off the irons. They have almost identical characteristics off the driver. And they should have very near identical spin near the green on partial shots. The biggest difference between the two balls is actually feel.

 

When Rick Shiels did his test the ProV1x spun slightly more on the 7iron and the 100 yard wedge shot.

He also found the V1 to have "much higher ball flight" compared to the X, which goes against the marketing. It's so hard to know what is strategic marketing or how much peoples different swings come into play. Unfortunately I think it all just comes down to trial and error with finding what ball works the best for you. In a blind test, I'm sure I would never be able to tell much difference part from feel.

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Early reports were that this ball was amazing. Actual testing says that there is little to no improvement over past years. What made Rickie switch?

 

The ball is amazing in comparison to the PROv1. Anyone that knows me know how outspoken I am against the prov1 line. A 3 piece ball isn't worth the price they're selling at. Same with the V1x. The taylormade ball is cheaper and reacts better.

 

It is all about the $€£¥. I think, when the rest of my ball stash is gone (8 dozen RZN platinum, 1 dozen Snell, 3 TP5/x, 2 dozen KSIG on and on) then I'll go MTB X. Cheap and performs. By then, TP5 will be on sale

 

By then I would be 10 years older...

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Am I still the only one finding the new TP5 to spin like a top and get eaten up in the wind???

 

-Perplexed in PA

 

I haven't hit the new version, but I found that same thing with the original tp5.

 

If you are already generating high spin on full shots this would be a bad ball for you on a windy day. The TP5 is a very spinny ball on iron shots.

 

I’m not a high spin player with the irons. I played a few holes with a friend who isn’t particularly high spin either. We both hit shots with the new TP5 and the 2017 TP5 tonight and he saw the same thing I did. Shots he hit well fell out of the sky into the wind (which was a light breeze) with the new version while the 2017 was excellent into the breeze.

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I'm about 5 rounds in with the 2019 TP5x. Been alternating it during those rounds with the 2017 version.

So far, performance-wise vs. the 2017 ball I'm not really seeing any noticeable differences. Winter ground conditions aren't the best for comparisons though, so that may change.

It probably does feel a tiny bit firmer but not enough to worry about, and durability may be slightly improved. Neither of those is night-and-day vs the old ball, and it's definitely still not as durable as the 2017 Pro V1x.

 

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I’ve been testing the new tp5x and the 19 v1x. Very much the same off driver. Irons , I just prefer the v1x over the tp5x. I guess it’s spin. The 5x just doesn’t want to turn like my eye sees a shot. I guess if you played a wide open course with straight shots it wouldn’t matter. I still have a couple sleeves left so I’m not done yet. But not blown away by the tp5x . It’s a good ball but so is the 19 v1x. Much more improvement from 17-19 v1x than from last tp5x to the new one in my opinion. ( tested both side by side ).

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      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #1
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #2
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #3
      2024 Cognizant Classic - Monday #4
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Brandt Snedeker - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Max Greyserman - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Eric Cole - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Carl Yuan - WITb - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Russell Henley - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Justin Sun - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alex Noren - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Shane Lowry - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Taylor Montgomery - WITB - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jake Knapp (KnappTime_ltd) - WITB - - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Super Stoke Pistol Lock 1.0 & 2.0 grips - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      LA Golf new insert putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Garsen Quad Tour 15 grip - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      New Swag covers - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Jacob Bridgeman's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Bud Cauley's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Ryo Hisatsune's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Chris Kirk - new black Callaway Apex CB irons and a few Odyssey putters - 2024 Cognizant Classic
      Alejandro Tosti's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Cognizant Classic
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Monday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #1
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #2
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #3
      2024 Genesis Invitational - Tuesday #4
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
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